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Message no. 1
From: Jason Cummings <CellSales9@***.COM>
Subject: UCAS Navy
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:05:03 EDT
information on the UCAS Navy is posted at

http://members.aol.com/danumb1man/main.html
Message no. 2
From: Andrew Spurgeon <DragonC147@***.COM>
Subject: UCAS Navy
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:55:20 EDT
I have a question for all of you people. In the present day the U.S. uses the
prefix USS to denote that the ship is part of the United States Navy. What
does the UCAS use in 2058 to denote there ships, UCASS or what?

Dragon Claw
Message no. 3
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:17:48 -0500
On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:55:20 EDT Andrew Spurgeon <DragonC147@***.COM>
writes:
>I have a question for all of you people. In the present day the U.S.
uses the
>prefix USS to denote that the ship is part of the United States Navy.
What
>does the UCAS use in 2058 to denote there ships, UCASS or what?

For some reason, I believe USS stands for United States
Somotheing-or-other. Can anybody confirm/correct this?

If that is right, it probably uses UCS or UCSS. Hmmm, do you think there
is an aircraft carrier named the UCS (or UCSS) Dunkelzahn?

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Message no. 4
From: Penta <cpenta@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:28:12 -0700
According to Cyberpirates, the CAS and UCAS went back to the way they named ships
during the Civil War, basically(didn't say it, but I just remembered.). USS is
still used for UCAS ships, with CSS being used for CAS ships.

The Saint.:)

Andrew Spurgeon wrote:

> I have a question for all of you people. In the present day the U.S. uses the
> prefix USS to denote that the ship is part of the United States Navy. What
> does the UCAS use in 2058 to denote there ships, UCASS or what?
>
> Dragon Claw
Message no. 5
From: Penta <cpenta@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:46:30 -0700
IRL, it simply stands for United States Ship. And, I've answered this in a
previous post.:)

D. Ghost wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:55:20 EDT Andrew Spurgeon <DragonC147@***.COM>
> writes:
> >I have a question for all of you people. In the present day the U.S.
> uses the
> >prefix USS to denote that the ship is part of the United States Navy.
> What
> >does the UCAS use in 2058 to denote there ships, UCASS or what?
>
> For some reason, I believe USS stands for United States
> Somotheing-or-other. Can anybody confirm/correct this?
>
> If that is right, it probably uses UCS or UCSS. Hmmm, do you think there
> is an aircraft carrier named the UCS (or UCSS) Dunkelzahn?
>
> --
> D. Ghost
> (aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
> "Coffee without caffeine is like sex without the spanking." -- Cupid
> re-cur-sion (ri-kur'-zhen) noun. 1. See recursion.
>
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Message no. 6
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:57:27 -0500
From: D. Ghost <dghost@****.COM>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:24 PM

>For some reason, I believe USS stands for United States
>Somotheing-or-other. Can anybody confirm/correct this?

USS == United States Ship. The Canadian Navy currently uses HMCS, which
stands for Her Majesty's Canadian Ship (Canadians, correct me if I'm wrong).

I would imagine that UCAS probably still uses USS; they're STILL United
States, after all, just not the United States of America.

As I recall, the Confederacy (back in the 1860s) used CSS, for Confederate
States Ship, but this might not be right.

--
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El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 7
From: Jason Cummings <CellSales9@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:58:06 EDT
This whole discussion began with the information on the UCAS Navy I have
posted on my web site. As I said earlier, the UCAS would probably keep with
tradition and use the USS markings. Since their is no published information
on this subject what does everyone think?

UCAS Navy: http://members.aol.com/danumb1man/main.html

Please take a look at my site and let me know your opinion.
Message no. 8
From: Micheal Feeney <Starrngr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:49:00 EDT
In a message dated 98-10-21 01:19:18 EDT, you write:

<< This whole discussion began with the information on the UCAS Navy I have
posted on my web site. As I said earlier, the UCAS would probably keep with
tradition and use the USS markings. Since their is no published information
on this subject what does everyone think? >>

Being Ex Navy, I can agree with this thought. We are very big on tradition,
it being one of the things that keeps us together, and from harrassing the
marines to much. (this is also a good thing, because unless your a martial
artist, weight lifter, or navy seal, this can be hazardous to your health)
Puddle Pirates and ground pounders are fair game though.....
Message no. 9
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:33:39 EDT
In a message dated 10/21/98 1:03:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
CellSales9@***.com writes:

> This whole discussion began with the information on the UCAS Navy I have
> posted on my web site. As I said earlier, the UCAS would probably keep
with
> tradition and use the USS markings. Since their is no published
information
> on this subject what does everyone think?
Cyberpirates pg145
USS = United States Ship
CSS = Confederated States Ship
It also lists the designations for others, including some of the corporations.
Message no. 10
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:06:29 EDT
In a message dated 10/21/98 12:48:47 AM US Eastern Standard Time, remo@***.NET
writes:

> >For some reason, I believe USS stands for United States
> >Somotheing-or-other. Can anybody confirm/correct this?
>
> USS == United States Ship. The Canadian Navy currently uses HMCS, which
> stands for Her Majesty's Canadian Ship (Canadians, correct me if I'm
wrong).
>
> I would imagine that UCAS probably still uses USS; they're STILL United
> States, after all, just not the United States of America.
>
> As I recall, the Confederacy (back in the 1860s) used CSS, for Confederate
> States Ship, but this might not be right.

The UCAS continues to use the designation of USS for their ships. This is
located somewhere in Target: Smuggler's Haven.

-Herc
------ The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 11
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:08:09 EDT
In a message dated 10/21/98 12:50:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Starrngr@***.COM writes:

> << This whole discussion began with the information on the UCAS Navy I have
> posted on my web site. As I said earlier, the UCAS would probably keep
> with
> tradition and use the USS markings. Since their is no published
> information
> on this subject what does everyone think? >>
>
> Being Ex Navy, I can agree with this thought. We are very big on
tradition,
> it being one of the things that keeps us together, and from harrassing the
> marines to much. (this is also a good thing, because unless your a martial
> artist, weight lifter, or navy seal, this can be hazardous to your health)
> Puddle Pirates and ground pounders are fair game though....

You forgot about Air Pukes also ...

-Herc (whose father retired from the Navy back in '86).
------ The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 12
From: Andrew Spurgeon <DragonC147@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:42:52 EDT
In a message dated 98-10-21 02:46:43 EDT, you write:

<< I would imagine that UCAS probably still uses USS; they're STILL United
States, after all, just not the United States of America.
>>

Why do you think they are still the US? They still have the characteristics
of the old US except for the fact that they lost like 80% of there space or
so, and they got Canada. They lost the CAS, and all of the Indian Nations,
and CalFree. It does not makes sense for them to go back 40 years or so and
use a title for there ships that was used then. The canadiens would not like
it, they would probably want to use HMCS, and the fact of what the US did with
the Indians would put political pressure on the UCAS not to use things from
them, and no matter what you think the military is heavyily influenced by
Buearcrats. I believe that they would come up with a prefix that brings the
Canadians into the scene, considering they make up like 50%+/- of the UCAS.

Dragon Claw
Message no. 13
From: Micheal Feeney <Starrngr@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:38:07 EDT
In a message dated 98-10-21 20:09:45 EDT, you write:

> You forgot about Air Pukes also ...
>
> -Herc (whose father retired from the Navy back in '86).
> ------ The Best Mechanic you can ever have.

Naa... I just consider anyone who needs a mile of runway to put a plane on
the ground so low as to be beneath notice, and contempt.
Message no. 14
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:05:36 -0500
From: Andrew Spurgeon <DragonC147@***.COM>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 7:42 PM


><< I would imagine that UCAS probably still uses USS; they're STILL
>> United States, after all, just not the United States of America. >>
>
>Why do you think they are still the US?

I didn't say that they were "the" United States. I said that they were
still United States. Just look at the name of the country if you doubt me.
It's United Canadian and American States. Which part of this eludes you so
far?

>They still have the characteristics
>of the old US except for the fact that they lost like 80% of there
>space or so, and they got Canada. They lost the CAS, and all of the
>Indian Nations, and CalFree.

How does a loss of territory change the fact that they're United States?
They're not the same size as the old United States of America (or Canada),
true, but this does not for a second mean that they aren't a bunch of states
united in a common cause. (Out of idle curiosity, does Canada have a longer
official name, similar to United States of America? I want to say the
Commonwealth of Canada, but I'm not certain.)

And incidentally, from the looks of things on the map, without actually
doing the calculations, it appears that the Native American Nations took
about 60% or so of the former holdings of both the United States of American
and Canada (actual area may differ, but I'm being lazy about the math).

I'm still trying to figure out how that changes what the naming terminology
of the UCAS Navy might be. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

>It does not makes sense for them to go back 40 years or so and
>use a title for there ships that was used then.

Why not? As I've mentioned, repeatedly, the nation is still United States;
they're just a different set of United States. Nowhere in the USS (United
States Ship) designation does it specify that it's America that's referred
to in the title.

>The canadiens would not like it, they would probably want to use HMCS...

They wouldn't have the right. HMCS stands for His Majesty's Canadian Ship;
once NAN took over western Canada, and Quebec seceded, and the rest of the
country merged with the remnants of the USA, Canada would no longer be a
member of the British Commonwealth, and the Canadian Navy would no longer be
an arm of the British Royal Navy. They would no longer be His Majesty's
Ships, neither in fact nor in name.

>...and the fact of what the US did with the Indians
>would put political pressure on the UCAS not to use things from them...

What does this have to do with anything?

>...and no matter what you think the military is heavyily influenced
>by Buearcrats.

Goodman, Patrick E., Sergeant, United States Air Force, inactive. Don't try
to tell me about the military, mister, unless you've been there yourself.
And from the way you talk, you haven't.

Not only is the military influenced by bureaucrats, it's populated by them.
This hasn't got any bearing on the discussion that I can see.

>I believe that they would come up with a prefix that brings the
>Canadians into the scene, considering they make up like 50%+/- of
>the UCAS.

The designation USS doesn't preclude the Canadians. Since USS doesn't
include the word America anywhere, and since the UCAS is itself a country of
United States, it doesn't make sense to change the designation. It makes a
great deal of sense to change the designation of Canadian ships, considering
their new allegiance.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 15
From: Jason Cummings <CellSales9@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:29:07 EDT
Even with the lose of their territory, the United States was far more
economically powerful than Canada. The Canadians needed to join the US more
than the US needed them. I doubt that once the union was istablished they
would give the Canadians much say so. The capital still located in Washington
is a prime example.
I think the Canadians would throw a bigger fit about that than the designation
on a navy ship. And even now, the Canadian navy is only a couple of dozen
surface ships and a handful of old diesel subs. Most of the UCAS navy is or
was made up of the US Navy.
Message no. 16
From: Oliver McDonald <oliver@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:42:14 -0700
On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:29:07 EDT, Jason Cummings wrote:

>Even with the lose of their territory, the United States was far more
>economically powerful than Canada. The Canadians needed to join the US more
>than the US needed them. I doubt that once the union was istablished they
>would give the Canadians much say so. The capital still located in Washington
>is a prime example.
>I think the Canadians would throw a bigger fit about that than the designation
>on a navy ship. And even now, the Canadian navy is only a couple of dozen
>surface ships and a handful of old diesel subs. Most of the UCAS navy is or
>was made up of the US Navy.

Probably true, especially since we burnt it down once... However, many Canadians are
still loyal to the Queen, and I for one, would feel odd about having one of my nation's
ships not being referred to as Her Majesty's. (As in HMCS Bonaventure: Her Majesty's
Canadian Ship Bonaventure.)
Message no. 17
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:58:41 -0400
Oliver McDonald wrote:
>
> Probably true, especially since we burnt it down once... However, many Canadians are
> still loyal to the Queen, and I for one, would feel odd about having one of my
nation's
> ships not being referred to as Her Majesty's. (As in HMCS Bonaventure: Her Majesty's
> Canadian Ship Bonaventure.)

Even if it's the 2050's, it's now His Majesty rather than Her Majesty, and
Canada (well, most of the eastern half of it) had spent several decades as
the majority landholder of an entirely separate nation, with no
affiliation to England or its royalty whatsoever?


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 18
From: Andrew Spurgeon <DragonC147@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:01:01 EDT
In a message dated 10/21/98, 8:17:38 PM, Texas 2-Step writes:
<<
><< I would imagine that UCAS probably still uses USS; they're STILL
>> United States, after all, just not the United States of America. >>
>
>Why do you think they are still the US?

>>I didn't say that they were "the" United States. I said that they were
>still United States. Just look at the name of the country if you doubt me.
>It's United Canadian and American States. Which part of this eludes you so
>far?

>They still have the characteristics
>of the old US except for the fact that they lost like 80% of there
>space or so, and they got Canada. They lost the CAS, and all of the
>Indian Nations, and CalFree.

>How does a loss of territory change the fact that they're United States?
>They're not the same size as the old United States of America (or Canada),
>true, but this does not for a second mean that they aren't a bunch of states
>united in a common cause. (Out of idle curiosity, does Canada have a longer
>official name, similar to United States of America? I want to say the
>Commonwealth of Canada, but I'm not certain.)

>And incidentally, from the looks of things on the map, without actually
>doing the calculations, it appears that the Native American Nations took
>about 60% or so of the former holdings of both the United States of American
>and Canada (actual area may differ, but I'm being lazy about the math).

>I'm still trying to figure out how that changes what the naming terminology
>of the UCAS Navy might be. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

The same way that the loss of territory changed Canada. As you said about
Canada, they lost half or so of there terretory to the NAN, and then Qubec
secceded, just like the CAS, so i believe that they would have the same type
of effect that the Canadian thing did, so the left over US would be changed.


>It does not makes sense for them to go back 40 years or so and
>use a title for there ships that was used then.

>Why not? As I've mentioned, repeatedly, the nation is still United States;
>they're just a different set of United States. Nowhere in the USS (United
>States Ship) designation does it specify that it's America that's referred
>to in the title.

If that was true, lots of county's could use USS.

>The canadiens would not like it, they would probably want to use HMCS...

>They wouldn't have the right. HMCS stands for His Majesty's Canadian Ship;
>once NAN took over western Canada, and Quebec seceded, and the rest of the
>country merged with the remnants of the USA, Canada would no longer be a
>member of the British Commonwealth, and the Canadian Navy would no longer be
>an arm of the British Royal Navy. They would no longer be His Majesty's
>Ships, neither in fact nor in name.

Why wouldn't they? Is Britian going to go across the Atlantic and destroy
them because they are? The only problem would be that the UCAS is not a
monarchy, which is why they wouldn't use that.

>...and the fact of what the US did with the Indians
>would put political pressure on the UCAS not to use things from them...

>What does this have to do with anything?

It has to do with the fact that the NAN would remeber what the old US did to
them, and so they may not like that fact that the UCAS is still holding on to
the old stuff. So they would want that changed so that it would get rid of
the remeberance of the persecution they went through.
>...and no matter what you think the military is heavyily influenced
>by Buearcrats.

>Goodman, Patrick E., Sergeant, United States Air Force, inactive. Don't try
>to tell me about the military, mister, unless you've been there yourself.
>And from the way you talk, you haven't.

>Not only is the military influenced by bureaucrats, it's populated by them.
>This hasn't got any bearing on the discussion that I can see.

It does because bureaucrats want what is best for political reason's, they
usually don't care much for tradition, unless they are conservative.

>I believe that they would come up with a prefix that brings the
>Canadians into the scene, considering they make up like 50%+/- of
>the UCAS.

>The designation USS doesn't preclude the Canadians. Since USS doesn't
>include the word America anywhere, and since the UCAS is itself a country of
>United States, it doesn't make sense to change the designation. It makes a
>great deal of sense to change the designation of Canadian ships, considering
>their new allegiance.

It doesn't include the word America, it just implies it. It doesn't preclude
them but it doesn't specifically include them. They came up with the name
UCAS to include the candaians with the rest of the US. So why wouldn't they
when it came to the Armed Forces.

Dragon Claw
Message no. 19
From: Jason Cummings <CellSales9@***.COM>
Subject: Re: UCAS Navy
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:42:52 EDT
In a message dated 98-10-23 11:02:12 EDT, you write:

<< Dragon Claw >>

As much as you argue over this un-important topic, you should be a lawyer.
Cyberpirate uses the USS standing, and so will the information on my page.
Thanks for the imput though.

Sabre
A good plan today is better than the perfect plan tomorrow...

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