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Message no. 1
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 10:51:46 U
Mail*Link® SMTP RE>>[Very OT] This is the end of the =
woodchuck as we*

> The Giant Space Hampster!
>
>> I found these on the web somewhere, but can't find the link again after =
I
>> saved them, so I can't tell you where I found them, but they're =
>hilarious...:)
>>
>> "In Praise of Giant Space hamsters"
>
>[SNIP]
>Well, I don't know where you found that, but it originally comes from a
>Dragon magazine (somewhere between #170 and #200). Better watch it, T$R
>will be after you for copyright infringement!

Nah I wouldn't worry about that too much. Do to some bad business =
decisions and really bad PR they've just about put themselves out of =
business. They probably couldn't even afford to pay the court costs to =
file the suit, forget affording a decient lawyer.
Everyone cheer for the death of the Evil Empire(tm) although it is a shame =
about the RPGA though. Oh and on a side note I have been hearing rumors =
that TSR will be cancelling Euro Gencon this year and that this year may =
be the last Gencon ever unless someone else takes over it (TSR owns both =
if you didn't know). These Rumors are Unsubstantiated but a number of my =
friends were on TSR payroll as Regional and National directors of the RPGA =
and every one of them has been laid off as well as all but 1 or 2 of their =
game developers in the last 2 months. Apparently TSR is really hurting for =
cash. If you are a member of the RPGA Polyhedron is dead and your =
subscription will be replaced with a Dragon subscription.
Message no. 2
From: The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 12:56:12 -0600
<snip rumors of TSR's demise>
must be a popular thing for game companies to go under right now.
Mayfair Games (makers of Sim City CCG, Setlers of Cattan, A dark humorus
superpower scifi game about ex mercinaries whos title i cant rember, and a
bunch of very good railroad board games) just let all their employes go
except for the 2 owners and like one legal type to handle the paperwork.

so whoes next for the bankrupsy courts?

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com
Message no. 3
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:04:50 -0500
The Bookworm wrote,
> so whoes next for the bankrupsy courts?

Their not a game company but Marvel Comics has filed chapter 11 to
reorganize and generate cash to pull themselves out of a crunch. This is
an increasing trend in general and something I hope will end soon. I
don't think the American economy is in great shape right now. Now is this
a dip or a dive?

- MC23, naysayer -
Message no. 4
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:09:14 U
Mail*Link® SMTP RE>>[Very OT] This is the e

><snip rumors of TSR's demise>
> must be a popular thing for game companies to go under right now.
>Mayfair Games (makers of Sim City CCG, Setlers of Cattan, A dark humorus
>superpower scifi game about ex mercinaries whos title i cant rember, and =
a
>bunch of very good railroad board games) just let all their employes go
>except for the 2 owners and like one legal type to handle the paperwork.
>
> so whoes next for the bankrupsy courts?
>
> Thomas Price
> aka The Bookworm
>thomas.m.price@*******.edu
>tmprice@***********.com

Awww damn you mean no Iron Dragon RPG now
Message no. 5
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:25:04 U
Mail*Link® SMTP RE>>[Very OT] This is the e

>The Bookworm wrote,
>> so whoes next for the bankrupsy courts?
>
> Their not a game company but Marvel Comics has filed chapter 11 to
>reorganize and generate cash to pull themselves out of a crunch. This is
>an increasing trend in general and something I hope will end soon. I
>don't think the American economy is in great shape right now. Now is this
>a dip or a dive?
>
>- MC23, naysayer -

My sources Tell me West End Games.If they're not already there It'll be =
soon. That I know of they produce Star Wars and Torg and a few others. =
Torg has been killing them for the last few years and a friend of mine =
that is one of their primary Torg playtesters tells me they're in deep $ =
trouble. Also I hear that FASA may be running into some $ trouble =
depending on the result of a court case that has something to do with some =
of the Battlemech images that were the same as the Robotech images. This =
Info came to me 3 rd hand from a guy who used to freelance for FASA on the =
Battletech side and still plays with people who do. From what I've heard =
the people suing FASA don't have a leg to stand on but then again I never =
thought OJ stood a chance of walking. If this is true FASAMike may not be =
able to comment on it but I consider it somewhat suspect. I know the =
person with whom this rumor originated and have always considered him to =
be a twit not to mention one of the worst Battletech players (and =
cheaters) I have ever met.
Message no. 6
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 17:43:18 EST
On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:25:04 U Steve Collins
<steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM> writes:
>Mail*Link® SMTP RE>>[Very OT] This is the e
>
>>The Bookworm wrote,
>>> so whoes next for the bankrupsy courts?
>>
>> Their not a game company but Marvel Comics has filed chapter 11
>to
>>reorganize and generate cash to pull themselves out of a crunch. This
>is
>>an increasing trend in general and something I hope will end soon. I
>>don't think the American economy is in great shape right now. Now is
>this
>>a dip or a dive?
>>
>>- MC23, naysayer -
>
>My sources Tell me West End Games.If they're not already there It'll be
>soon. That I know of they produce Star Wars and Torg and a few others.

I know some guys who are going to really hate that. Some friends of mine
play Star Wars, though it's not something I've gotten into (as if one
game doesn't take enough of my time:)

>Torg has been killing them for the last few years and a friend of mine
>that is one of their primary Torg playtesters tells me they're in deep $

Perhaps they should simply stop producing the one game?

>trouble. Also I hear that FASA may be running into some $ trouble
>depending on the result of a court case that has something to do with
some
>of the Battlemech images that were the same as the Robotech images. This
>Info came to me 3 rd hand from a guy who used to freelance for FASA on
the
>Battletech side and still plays with people who do. From what I've heard
>the people suing FASA don't have a leg to stand on but then again I
never
>thought OJ stood a chance of walking. If this is true FASAMike may not
be
>able to comment on it but I consider it somewhat suspect. I know the
>person with whom this rumor originated and have always considered him to
>be a twit not to mention one of the worst Battletech players (and
>cheaters) I have ever met.
>
I thought the thing with the Macross pics had already been settled, one
way or the other? What I'd heard was that Palladium was suing them for
using the same pics they were using for their Robotech game, even though
FASA had a legit license for the Macross pics...FASA is supposed to be
reducing their use of the pictures anyway, though, from what I've
heard...bear in mind, of course that my info is at least as suspect as
your own (probably more so, I got mine off of Usenet:)

--
-Canthros
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let him prepare for war. lobo1@****.com
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Message no. 7
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 18:39:21 -0500
At 05:43 PM 2/8/97 EST, L Canthros babbled:

>>My sources Tell me West End Games.If they're not already there It'll be
>>soon. That I know of they produce Star Wars and Torg and a few others.
>
>I know some guys who are going to really hate that. Some friends of mine
>play Star Wars, though it's not something I've gotten into (as if one
>game doesn't take enough of my time:)
>
Yeah, count me in there... I like the SW game... (And I have NO idea how
many games I play, but it's a hell of a lot more than one...:))

>>Torg has been killing them for the last few years and a friend of mine
>>that is one of their primary Torg playtesters tells me they're in deep $
>
>Perhaps they should simply stop producing the one game?
>
Yeah, right... Marvel should have cancelled 2/3 of it's titles, and TSR
should have gotten rid of most of their stuff long ago, but game companies
keep pumping this crap out...

Bull
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=======================================================
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Message no. 8
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:55:37 +0100
L Canthros said on 17:43/ 8 Feb 97...

> I thought the thing with the Macross pics had already been settled, one
> way or the other?

Isn't that why BattleTech 4th edition has come out, replacing the plastic
'Mechs[1] with cardboard counters once again? And Tech Readouts 3025 and
3026 getting put together into one new book, to remove the disputed
designs from the game or something...

[1] I hate polyethylene...

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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:55:37 +0100
MC23 said on 14:04/ 8 Feb 97...

> Their not a game company but Marvel Comics has filed chapter 11 to
> reorganize and generate cash to pull themselves out of a crunch.

Didn't they just get bought out by some other company? As for TSR, I
think I read somewhere they've sold parts of themselves to the company
that used to print books for them (I believe -- going from memory here).

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Message no. 10
From: L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:04:55 EST
On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:55:37 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>L Canthros said on 17:43/ 8 Feb 97...
>
>> I thought the thing with the Macross pics had already been settled,
>one
>> way or the other?
>
>Isn't that why BattleTech 4th edition has come out, replacing the
>plastic
>'Mechs[1] with cardboard counters once again? And Tech Readouts 3025
>and
>3026 getting put together into one new book, to remove the disputed
>designs from the game or something...

I don't know, I don't think I ever saw the third edition...

>
>[1] I hate polyethylene...
>
I dunno, I think I'd prefer plastic figures to cardboard cutouts, myself,
I'd think (unless they were really, really tiny) because they'd be easier
to find when they hit the floor due to some extraneous accident:) OTOH,
since I don't know what these figures look like:)

--
-Canthros
If any man wishes peace, canthros1@***.com
let him prepare for war. lobo1@****.com
--Roman proverb
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Message no. 11
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:02:46 EST
On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:04:55 EST L Canthros <lobo1@****.COM> writes:
>On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:55:37 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>>L Canthros said on 17:43/ 8 Feb 97...
>>
>>[1] I hate polyethylene...
>>
>I dunno, I think I'd prefer plastic figures to cardboard cutouts,
myself,
>I'd think (unless they were really, really tiny) because they'd be
>easier to find when they hit the floor due to some extraneous
>accident:) OTOH, since I don't know what these figures look like:)
>--
>-Canthros

Gurth might have been refering to the fact that they're really poor
models. The ones that I have are full of mold errors and such (parts
that are malformed due to an uneven distribution of the plastic, or air
bubbles, or things missing...), not to mention being pretty much
impervious to 'super-glue'.

~Tim
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:18:27 +0100
L Canthros said on 15:04/ 9 Feb 97...

> I don't know, I don't think I ever saw the third edition...

I looked at a set someone else bought once, and I myself got the
BattleMechs box with the 12 plastic models that came with 3rd ed BT. I'm
still happily using 2nd ed, though :)

> >[1] I hate polyethylene...
> >
> I dunno, I think I'd prefer plastic figures to cardboard cutouts, myself,
> I'd think (unless they were really, really tiny) because they'd be easier
> to find when they hit the floor due to some extraneous accident:) OTOH,
> since I don't know what these figures look like:)

They look OK (though suffering from a few sink and ejector pin marks and
a lot of flash), but the damn stuff is impossible to glue with anything...


Tim P Cooper said on 17:02/ 9 Feb 97...

> Gurth might have been refering to the fact that they're really poor
> models. The ones that I have are full of mold errors and such (parts
> that are malformed due to an uneven distribution of the plastic, or air
> bubbles, or things missing...)

I must have had a set that came out of the mold better than usual :)

> not to mention being pretty much impervious to 'super-glue'.

Impervious to any glue... At first I thought they were molded in soft
polystyrene, but when I came back to them the next day (after glueing the
parts together) I found out they weren't :(

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Message no. 13
From: Mark McLaughlin <mmclaugh@*******.EENG.DCU.IE>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:07:57 -0800
Gurth wrote:
>

Bit hyper today arent we!!

MML
Message no. 14
From: "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 14:12:51 -0500
In a message dated 2/8/97 08:24:28 PM, Steve Collins wrote:

> This Info came to me 3 rd hand from a guy who used to freelance for FASA on
the
>Battletech side and still plays with people who do. From what I've heard the
people
>suing FASA don't have a leg to stand on but then again I never thought OJ
stood
>a chance of walking. If this is true FASAMike may not be able to comment on
it
>but I consider it somewhat suspect. I know the person with whom this rumor
originated
>and have always considered him to be a twit not to mention one of the worst
Battletech
>players (and cheaters) I have ever met.

I cannot comment on this but to say all court cases reagrding what Steve
wrote are over. Sorry after that my hands are tied.

Have Fun!
Play Games!
I Am The Law!

Mike Mulvihill
Shadowrun Line Developer
FASA
www.fasa.com
Message no. 15
From: "Arno R. Lehmann" <arlehma@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [Very OT] This is the e
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 03:21:31 +0100
On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:09:14 U, Steve Collins wrote:

>>Mayfair Games (makers of Sim City CCG, Setlers of Cattan
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That was originally created by some German ... not that it's important,
but it's so good, he should earn the honor;)

--
Arno
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