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Message no. 1
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:34:27 -0400
Now after seeing the movie Saving Private Ryan twice(thats right that
movie rules, my favorite of all-time!) I wonder:


If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life and
limb just to save him?

Would their lives be worth saving just one man?

--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:36:45 -0400
At 05:34 PM 7/30/98 -0400, BigDaddy wrote these timeless words:
>Now after seeing the movie Saving Private Ryan twice(thats right that
>movie rules, my favorite of all-time!) I wonder:
>
>
>If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life and
>limb just to save him?
>
>Would their lives be worth saving just one man?
>
Depends on the character I'm playing and who got stuck behind enemy lines
:] But it IS possible :]

Bull
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Message no. 3
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:49:34 -0500
>If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life
>and limb just to save him?

Depends entirely on the character. Some show all the loyalty of a rabid
rhinoceros, cutting and running at the first sign of trouble. Skipper,
my elven thief/sammy wannabe, was like that...and eventually got shot in
the back of the head by a member of his own team because of his "me
first, screw the rest of you" attitude. On the other hand, my troll
rock star Roscoe would have sooner died screaming in a pool of molten
lava, a la VOLCANO, than see one of his teamers get left behind enemy
lines.

There's no hard and fast answer.
Message no. 4
From: AJ Smith <Navybrat21@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:57:05 EDT
It depends on the team. A bunch of runners thrown together in a bar by a
Johnson, probably not. They're criminals after all; no honor among thieves,
don'cha know. But, a team that's been working together for a while and knows
each other pretty well would probably take some risks to get their mates.

Navybrat
Message no. 5
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:13:51 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-30 17:33:19 EDT, you write:

> If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life and
> limb just to save him?
>
> Would their lives be worth saving just one man?

Depends on the runner... considering one of our PBEM players just gunned down
another (an NPC, but still), I don't think it always is going to happen...

Nexx
Message no. 6
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:42:15 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-30 17:52:13 EDT, you write:

> >If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life
> >and limb just to save him?

There is also the question of is it doable. Do you have time before the Tir
border patrol gets there or do you have to attack them because they have
already arrived where your chummer fell?
Message no. 7
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:21:15 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/98 4:33:31 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bigdaddy@*****.COM writes:

> Now after seeing the movie Saving Private Ryan twice(thats right that
> movie rules, my favorite of all-time!) I wonder:
>
>
> If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life and
> limb just to save him?

The gaming group here would be violent in the extreme ... The Crew as they are
called is something that everyone in the 2060's look at strangely with both
fear and envy ... and don't ever threaten a child/teenager in their presence
as they will react harshly to it.

There is a story (I made up) that one day one of the pcs (Atlas, a troll PAD)
came across a street gang beating the carp out of a orc child, he pummeled the
crap out of the street gang, healed them, beat them up again, and then when
the gang was taken before a court, he requested that they be remanded into his
custody for training and educating. Needless to say, it made sense to the
players here.

The group would go into Hell for each other ... and have done so at least once
that I know of.

> Would their lives be worth saving just one man?

This should sound familiar to some (and I remember it every day). "He who
saves one man saves the world."

YES, IMHO.

-Herc
-------- The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 8
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:53:29 +1200
Quoth BigDaddy (0934 31-7-98 NZT):

<<SLICE>>
>Now after seeing the movie Saving Private Ryan twice(thats right that
>movie rules, my favorite of all-time!) I wonder:
>
>
>If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life
and
>limb just to save him?
>
>Would their lives be worth saving just one man?

Well, I can't speak to a whole shadowrunner team, but my PC sure as hell
would put it all on the line to save a team-member. Partly that's
because of the whole fraternity-of-police-officers mentality he was
raised and trained with, but also because of guilt over his brother's
death (that story's a little involved to got into here). I'm writing a
fiction piece (based on a module Gurth wrote for TSS-05) and part of the
story involves the character hijacking the (Johnson-provided) extraction
plane at gunpoint to get his wounded to a hospital, and to hell with the
probable arrest they would face on landing. He'd only known either of
the wounded for four or five days, tops. With a Marine-turned-cop for a
grandfather, what would you expect but _semper fi_?

Danyel Woods - 9604801@********.ac.nz
'No, I'm Chaos and he's Mayhem. We're a double act.'
Message no. 9
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:57:02 -0400
Dhl9@***.COM wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-07-30 17:52:13 EDT, you write:
>
> > >If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life
> > >and limb just to save him?
>
> There is also the question of is it doable. Do you have time before the Tir
> border patrol gets there or do you have to attack them because they have
> already arrived where your chummer fell?

If it was your best bud, hell yes anything to get him/her back.

Person I just met, depends how on "valuable" they are to me and my
character.

As in the story Saving Private Ryan, Orders are Orders.

--
Napalm Sticks to Kidz,
BigDaddy
Message no. 10
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:25:21 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/98 5:33:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bigdaddy@*****.COM writes:

> If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life and
> limb just to save him?
>
> Would their lives be worth saving just one man?

My orginal SR character would do that, since he believed friendship was
scared.

-Bandit
Message no. 11
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:07:13 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/1998 4:33:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
bigdaddy@*****.COM writes:

>
> If your runners lost someone behind enemy lines would they risk life and
> limb just to save him?
>
> Would their lives be worth saving just one man?
>
Actually, we've done this before. The entire group went behind the lines to
save a good contact in our games once, only to find out the entire was a trap
to capture them.

-K
Message no. 12
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: 8v1
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:44:41 EDT
In a message dated 7/30/1998 7:22:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Airwasp@***.COM writes:

> The gaming group here would be violent in the extreme ... The Crew as they
> are
> called is something that everyone in the 2060's look at strangely with both
> fear and envy ... and don't ever threaten a child/teenager in their
presence
> as they will react harshly to it.

Ah yes, the infamous "Missing Child" incident. Young son, who's the friend of
the family, gets nabbed by the newly presented NPC "bad guy". The entire
group goes ape shit searching half the Ohio and Shenandoah River Valleys
looking for him. Wind up specifically starting fights with various other
groups (it's how we introduced "the Black Lodge" actually) and just kept right
on moving.

<snipped story of Atlas and gangers>

> The group would go into Hell for each other ... and have done so at least
> once
> that I know of.

Oh yeah, been there, done that. We consider Aztlan -HOME- now, Hell has an
entirely different meaning to us.

> > Would their lives be worth saving just one man?
>
> This should sound familiar to some (and I remember it every day). "He who
> saves one man saves the world."
>
> YES, IMHO.

AMEN!!!

-K

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