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Message no. 1
From: Fastjack <uc298@*****.UNICAN.ES>
Subject: About credsticks and ID
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 16:41:33 +0100
In the Sprawl sites sourcebook (pags.126-127)speaks about the
credsticks,ID and how forging them.
Is easy understand that if you want a false Credstick you will pay more
money because the banks will cross-referering a lot (im sure they dont
want to lose money),so a higher rating credstick(can "carry" more
money)will be more expensive.
The problem is what happen when i want to have a false ID?the book has a
table in which explains the cost of the credsticks/ID with the rating.But
the rating only explains the diferences with money reasons(more
money,more rating)...but which is the diference between a ID rating 3 and
a ID rating 7?
Ok,ok the ID with rating 7 may be more elaborated,but who can say when
the back history is of a rating 1 and when is rating 7?
Well,with rating 1 perhaps only Born data and few more,but the book dont
give any guidelines to help.Explains a lot the money differences,but no more.


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Message no. 2
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: About credsticks and ID
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:59:24 -0600
On 04:41 PM 2/21/97 +0100, Fastjack screamed at the world:
>In the Sprawl sites sourcebook (pags.126-127)speaks about the
>credsticks,ID and how forging them.
>Is easy understand that if you want a false Credstick you will pay more
>money because the banks will cross-referering a lot (im sure they dont
>want to lose money),so a higher rating credstick(can "carry" more
>money)will be more expensive.
>The problem is what happen when i want to have a false ID?the book has a
>table in which explains the cost of the credsticks/ID with the rating.But
>the rating only explains the diferences with money reasons(more
>money,more rating)...but which is the diference between a ID rating 3 and
>a ID rating 7?

For the purposes of fake IDs, "credstick" and "ID" are considered
synonyms.
The way the credsticks are checked are pretty much the same procedure as
the ID is checked.

The rating of the credstick is supposed to be the rating of the back
history. A rating 3 credstick/ID is just not as detailed as a rating 7
credstick. The rating is the level of detail that is put into the
development of the credstick's (or ID's) backstory. You want a Fake ID to
stand up to just a cursory scan? Get the rating 3 or 4. You want to use
it to break into the UCAS Mint? Try getting a credstick with a rating as
high as 8 or 9.

Thomas Deeny
Infobahn Austin
512 320 0556
Message no. 3
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: About credsticks and ID
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:40:29 +0000
On 21 Feb 97 at 16:41, Fastjack wrote:
[snip]
> Ok,ok the ID with rating 7 may be more elaborated,but who can say when
> the back history is of a rating 1 and when is rating 7?
> Well,with rating 1 perhaps only Born data and few more,but the book dont
> give any guidelines to help.Explains a lot the money differences,but no more.
See Neo Anarchist's Guide to Real Life: "You are your Credstick" (pp.
81-84, and pp. 103-104) how IDs are checked. (Short: Opposed test
scanner vs forged ID).


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Message no. 4
From: MC23 <mc23@****.NET>
Subject: Re: About credsticks and ID
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 03:05:19 -0500
I also say that a higher level fake SIN has more background material
crossreferenced. A higher rating would have your schooling, finacial
records, work history and so on and would have the fake SIN their
respective databases. The higher the rating the farther you are able to
backtrace a SIN before "blanks" start to appear where the SIN didn't
exist in a database. A lower level SIN might perhaps say where you bought
your Eurocar and the dealership would have you in it and would say what
bank financed it but the bank itself would not have that record of you.
That's the crossreferencing the ID checks are running on you. A thourough
search on a SIN would follow every credit path and branhes there-of you
took until something like that was flagged.


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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: About credsticks and ID
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:39:02 +0100
Fastjack said on 16:41/21 Feb 97...

> In the Sprawl sites sourcebook (pags.126-127)speaks about the
> credsticks,ID and how forging them.
> Is easy understand that if you want a false Credstick you will pay more
> money because the banks will cross-referering a lot (im sure they dont
> want to lose money),so a higher rating credstick(can "carry" more
> money)will be more expensive.

It's a bit confusing, but as I understand/play it, a credstick's rating
doesn't indicate how much money can be on it. Sprawl Sites talks about
"levels" and "ratings," and it's easy to confuse the two; the level
determines the maximum nuyen amount it can handle, while its rating shows
how easy it is to detect it as a forgery. Only forged credsticks,
therefore, have ratings.
You could, if you wanted to, have a rating 1 forged Gold credstick. Just
don't try to buy a Luxury lifestyle with it :)

The way the rating is used, is when you want to buy something with a
forged credstick, an opposed test is rolled between the stick and the
credchecker; if the stick gets the most successes, the checker is fooled
into believing the credstick is real, and not forged.

The reason that a higher rating costs more money to buy, is that more
information must be planted to create a high-rating credstick.

> The problem is what happen when i want to have a false ID?the book has a
> table in which explains the cost of the credsticks/ID with the rating.But
> the rating only explains the diferences with money reasons(more
> money,more rating)...but which is the diference between a ID rating 3 and
> a ID rating 7?

As I explained above, the amount of money on it has nothing to do with the
rating. The difference between a rating 3 ID and a rating 7 ID is that the
rating 7 one will be harder to detect as a fake ID. With the rating 3, you
should be able to do things like buy beer if you're under 21, but there's
a good chance you'll be found out if you try to use it to travel to
another country.

> Ok,ok the ID with rating 7 may be more elaborated,but who can say when
> the back history is of a rating 1 and when is rating 7?
> Well,with rating 1 perhaps only Born data and few more,but the book dont
> give any guidelines to help.Explains a lot the money differences,but no more.

There's more on credsticks and IDs in the Neo-Anarchists' Guide to Real
Life, although this is mostly the same text as in Sprawl Sites. The Denver
GM book also has this information, but expanded a bit -- it also explains
how ID checks actualyl work (on pages 49-50).

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