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Message no. 1
From: Koenig Boldizsar <kobold@********.INEXT.HU>
Subject: Abusive words
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:40:50 +0200
Hello,

=== Note: No offense intended in the following! ===

I recently came across *Shadowrun slang* words whose use I am uncertain
of:

Are *keeb* and *trog* in the 6th world as offensive derogatory terms as
*kike* and *nigger* are in the 20th century? Is the reaction of
metahumans' the same as that of members of ethnic groups if the
respective expressions are used against them?
What about *halfer* (spe?)?
Other important SR words to know about?
How do you apply (if at all) these in your games?

Thanks in advance for the revelative replies,

KoBold
(who restrains 90% of his postings with the help of exceptionally lucky
Willpower rolls against a high TN)
Message no. 2
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Abusive words
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 03:11:24 EDT
In a message dated 01/07/98 02:09:29 Central Daylight Time,
kobold@********.INEXT.HU writes:

> Are *keeb* and *trog* in the 6th world as offensive derogatory terms as

I cut the others, just to keep down the yelling...

You forgot "squat" (not official, but good) and dandilion eater... not to
mention breeder...

Nexx, wizworm
Message no. 3
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Abusive words
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 18:59:49 -0700
Nexx Many-Scars wrote:

> > Are *keeb* and *trog* in the 6th world as offensive derogatory terms as

> You forgot "squat" (not official, but good) and dandilion eater... not to
> mention breeder...

And rounder, and, and ....

I suspect it's all in the tone of the speaker and the ear of the
beholder. I suspect there are trolls and orks who kid each other for
bein' trogs, the same way some black kids today will call each other
'nigger'. Don't ever think a white guy could get away with that,
though.


- Matt

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Message no. 4
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: Abusive words
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:27:57 -0400
> > > Are *keeb* and *trog* in the 6th world as offensive derogatory
> terms as
>
> > You forgot "squat" (not official, but good) and dandilion eater...
> not to
> > mention breeder...
>
> And rounder, and, and ....
>
> I suspect it's all in the tone of the speaker and the ear of the
> beholder. I suspect there are trolls and orks who kid each other for
> bein' trogs, the same way some black kids today will call each other
> 'nigger'. Don't ever think a white guy could get away with that,
> though.
>
If you try you better be REAL good friends with the guy.
Message no. 5
From: "K. Dreamwalker" <daneel@*******.CROSSWINDS.NET>
Subject: Re: Abusive words
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:26:53 -0400
> From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
> > > Are *keeb* and *trog* in the 6th world as offensive derogatory terms as
>
> > You forgot "squat" (not official, but good) and dandilion eater... not
to
> > mention breeder...
>
> And rounder, and, and ....
>
> I suspect it's all in the tone of the speaker and the ear of the
> beholder. I suspect there are trolls and orks who kid each other for
> bein' trogs, the same way some black kids today will call each other
> 'nigger'. Don't ever think a white guy could get away with that,
> though.
>
>
> - Matt
That reminds me of a scence between one of my players playimng Drewgar, Dwarf
Merc, and a none to polite troll ganger.

"You got somethin' against trolls, stuntie?"
Drewgar quick reply: "No. In fact, Bosco behind the bar there is a good pal.
I do have something against under- evolved, drek for brains,, personality
challenged trogs like you that give trolls and orks bad names."

"WHO THE DREK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?"
"Who do I think I am? WHO THE DREK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?"
"Who the... No ones ever asked me that...... Let me think, I'll get back to
ya."
( He falled an intelligence check.)
Troll walks off....

Daniel
My GM sence is tingling, warning me of Munchkins...
Message no. 6
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Abusive words
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:17:39 -0400
At 08:40 AM 7/1/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>=== Note: No offense intended in the following! ===
>
>I recently came across *Shadowrun slang* words whose use I am uncertain
>of:
<SNIPPED>

Pretty much yes.

Now for the shameless (shame? what's that?) plug:

Once I've got my own site up and running and the major bugs removed (I'll
be staying indoors in front of my computer this holiday weekend), there
will be a fairly significant section dedicated to just this sort of
question. Racism, sex, and various other topics will get the treatment.

So Koenig (translates into King in English doesn't it?), hang on for about
a week or so, then check out my site once I announce it to RN.

But you're about right in your guess.

Erik J.

URL to be inserted here...
Message no. 7
From: Logan Graves <logan1@*****.INTERCOM.NET>
Subject: Re: Abusive words
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:26:01 -0400
In our last episode, Koenig Boldizsar wrote:
>
> === Note: No offense intended in the following! ===
>
> I recently came across *Shadowrun slang* words whose use I am uncertain
> of:
>
> Are *keeb* and *trog* in the 6th world as offensive derogatory terms as
> *kike* and *nigger* are in the 20th century? Is the reaction of
> metahumans' the same as that of members of ethnic groups if the
> respective expressions are used against them?
> What about *halfer* (spe?)?

Yup, all of those words are definitely derogatory (or at the very least
they're "not polite.")

*Breeder* is derogatory orc-slang for homo sapien sapiens.
*Dandelion Eater" is "highly insulting."
*Halfer* was originally orc-slang for dwarves. As it has come into more
popular(?) main-stream usage, it is often (but not always) used
derogatorily. It is not considered to be vulgar.
*Keeb* while not actually vulgar is "highly insulting."
*Squat* is both "vulgar" and "highly insulting."
*Trog* is additionally considered to be "vulgar."
*Wizworm* is from "wizard" and the Tolkienesque term "worm." While
derogatory in usage, the fact that its origins come from Prof JRR, it is
taken to be "highly impolite."

> Other important SR words to know about?

Well, (since I haven't done this for a few months...) for more 205X
words, be they: derogatory, vulgar, & otherwise colloquially SR-ish,
you *could* check-out our 125KByte "Shadowslang Glossary" at:

<plug type=shameless>
"The Big Knobi Klub website"
http://www.intercom.net/user/logan1/glossary.htm
</plug>

Now you can submit your own SR slang, with our handy on-line forms!!


> (who restrains 90% of his postings with the help of exceptionally
> lucky Willpower rolls against a high TN)

Guess that means, I failed my Willpower roll, neh?

--Fenris
_______________________________________________logan1@*****.intercom.net
(>)"We aim to please."
(>)Vito Corleone & Sons, Hitmen-for-Hire

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