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Message no. 1
From: Fastjack <uc298@*****.ALUMNOS.UNICAN.ES>
Subject: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 18:23:11 +0100
About the anture spirits...how are their attacks?the game system is as
the elementals attacks?

And about the accident power...well,the only use i found is that the
runners falls to the ground when they are walking or something
similar...any idea?



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Message no. 2
From: "Falin \"Dark-Claw\"" <jhyatt@****.WINCOM.NET>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:55:30 -0500
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couldn't the accident power cause anything that we would normally clasify
as an accident.
ie. a tree fall across the road in front the vehicle stoppping the chase or
letting the runners catch the vehicle
a large wave washes you off the beach
a boulder roles down the mountain side destroying the runners hiding place

the uses of this power are limitless

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Message no. 3
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: accident power and attacks of nature spirits -Reply
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 12:52:06 -0500
>And about the accident power...well,the only use i found is that the runners falls
>to the ground when they are walking or something similar...any idea?

Oh, that's pretty lame. Think of it this way: back in the dark ages whenever
anything went wrong, it was blamed on evil spirits. People would try to appease
the good spirits to protect them from all those nasty acts of fate.

Accident and guard are the same thing, its just that they actually work in 2056.

Yes, a player could trip, or a tree could fall on him, or he could step in a gopher
hole and twist an ankle, or his car could get a flat tire, or an air conditioner could
fall out of an eighth story apartment window, or a cab could splash him right
before a meet with Mr. Johnson. Muggers looking for a target might pick him
instead of the next passer-by. In the house, a badly wired electrical plug could
give him a shock, he could eat spoiled mayonaise, the list of plumbing disasters is
endless.

The nature of the accident should match the terrain (and spirit type), the nature of
the summoner to some extent, and the power of the spirit. Low level spirits
probably just do mischief bad luck stuff. The higher the spirit's power, the more
they can warp reality to make the really bad stuff happen (who knew the steam
main was about to burst?)

Remember that the spirit must mainifest before using accident (but not guard), so
players might get to see the spirit appear and say "Jinx!" right before the air
conditioner lands them in the hospital.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 4
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:59:28 -0700
All good points Dark-Claw, but why the HUGE text?...Am I the only one who
got about 32 point text on this message?

~Caric

"All the world's indeed a stage, we are mearly players.
Performers and portrayers. Each anothers audience,
outside the gilded cage." -Rush
caric@*******.com



couldn't the accident power cause anything that we would normally
clasify
as an accident.
ie. a tree fall across the road in front the vehicle stoppping the
chase or
letting the runners catch the vehicle
a large wave washes you off the beach
a boulder roles down the mountain side destroying the runners
hiding place

the uses of this power are limitless
Message no. 5
From: Faux Pas <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:53:05 -0600
At 06:23 PM 12/23/96 +0100, you wrote:
>About the anture spirits...how are their attacks?the game system is as
>the elementals attacks?
>
>And about the accident power...well,the only use i found is that the
>runners falls to the ground when they are walking or something
>similar...any idea?

Cop is using open door of police car, ready to shoot the runners. Suddenly
the cop car jumps into reverse, slamming the door into the cop. Cop's
knocked over on the ground, car's in a window display at Radio Shanty ("You
have questions, we've got cheap electronic crap").

Car chase: Suddenly the pursuing car shifts from fourth gear to first.
Street lights at the intersection signal green for all directions. Tire
blows out. Belt snaps.


-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist at Large

"Why does everyone want to tell me thier life's story?"
-Arthur Dent, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"

GFA-$ d- s:+ a- C+++$ W+++$ N- w+(---) M+ PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t--@ 5+++ X++ R+++
tv+ b+++ DI+ D G e* h r++ x+
Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:36:15 +0000
|
|About the anture spirits...how are their attacks?the game system is as
|the elementals attacks?
|
|And about the accident power...well,the only use i found is that the
|runners falls to the ground when they are walking or something
|similar...any idea?

Guns can misfire, Explosive rounds can go off prematurely, passing drivers can
lose control and hit the victim....

The possibilities are endless....

Well... almost....

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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits -Reply
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:40:35 +0000
|Remember that the spirit must mainifest before using accident (but not guard), so
|players might get to see the spirit appear and say "Jinx!" right before the air
|conditioner lands them in the hospital.

Or the black cat could cross his path, diverting the air conditioner so that
it misses, or...

Errmmm....

I'm sure that ladder wasn't there a moment ago.....

(In England, a Black cat is considered good luck if it crosses your path,
because it's ignoring you....)
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|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:47:44 +0000
|
|All good points Dark-Claw, but why the HUGE text?...Am I the only one who
|got about 32 point text on this message?
|

THAT'S why I'm getting this in MIME format....
It's also probably the reason some people get attachments....

It's the stupid font size....

Switch to plain ASCII.... PLEASE?

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|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! >*SULK*<|
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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:16:24 +0100
Fastjack said on 18:23/23 Dec 96...

> About the anture spirits...how are their attacks?the game system is as
> the elementals attacks?

Whether nature spirits can or cannot attack depends on your interpretation
of the rules... They have no listed damage code in any SR book I've seen
(unlike other spirits and critters), so from that, it seems they can't
attack. Alternatively, you can rule that nature spirits do (str)M Stun
damage with a successful attack, like (meta)humans. Until we get a
definitive ruling, IMHO you're going to have to decide for yourself on
this one...

> And about the accident power...well,the only use i found is that the
> runners falls to the ground when they are walking or something
> similar...any idea?

You can use it for *anything* that would normally be considered an
accident: a car hitting a tree, someone getting electrocuted when putting
in a new lightbulb, a grenade blowing up too soon, a tree falling one
someone's head, the list goes on. It's one of those powers where you use
your imagination rather than look in a list what you can do with it...

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Message no. 10
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 16:29:59 -0800
On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, Falin "Dark-Claw" wrote:

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AAAAAGGGHHH!!!! MIME!
Runnnnn!

~Tim
Message no. 11
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 17:34:47 -0800
On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Gurth wrote:

> Fastjack said on 18:23/23 Dec 96...
>
> > About the anture spirits...how are their attacks?the game system is as
> > the elementals attacks?
>
> Whether nature spirits can or cannot attack depends on your interpretation
> of the rules... They have no listed damage code in any SR book I've seen
> (unlike other spirits and critters), so from that, it seems they can't
> attack. Alternatively, you can rule that nature spirits do (str)M Stun
> damage with a successful attack, like (meta)humans. Until we get a
> definitive ruling, IMHO you're going to have to decide for yourself on
> this one...
>
> > And about the accident power...well,the only use i found is that the
> > runners falls to the ground when they are walking or something
> > similar...any idea?
>
> You can use it for *anything* that would normally be considered an
> accident: a car hitting a tree, someone getting electrocuted when putting
> in a new lightbulb, a grenade blowing up too soon, a tree falling one
> someone's head, the list goes on. It's one of those powers where you use
> your imagination rather than look in a list what you can do with it...
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

First Ed. SR had rules for Nature spirits attacking, but for some unknown
reason they didn't make it into 2nd Ed. I've just used a conversion of
those when needed..

~Tim
Message no. 12
From: Jker77@***.COM
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 20:36:54 -0500
could someone please restate what the accident power is?
Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 12:26:04 +0100
Jker77@***.COM said on 20:36/24 Dec 96...

> could someone please restate what the accident power is?

Very simple: it allows the spirit to cause an apparently normal accident.
For example, someone tripping over his own feet, a car failing to give
right of way, water mains breaking, and so on.

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Message no. 14
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 12:26:03 +0100
Tim Cooper said on 17:34/24 Dec 96...

> First Ed. SR had rules for Nature spirits attacking, but for some unknown
> reason they didn't make it into 2nd Ed. I've just used a conversion of
> those when needed..

You're right, page 191 of SR1 has damage codes for nature spirits:
Land: 4S3, +1 Reach (SRII: 8S, +1 Reach?)
Sky: special (but I can't find where it explains this "special")
Water: 2D6 Stun (SRII: 6D Stun?)
Man: 3M4 (SRII: 4M?)

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Message no. 15
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 01:00:24 -0800
On Wed, 25 Dec 1996, Gurth wrote:

> Tim Cooper said on 17:34/24 Dec 96...
>
> > First Ed. SR had rules for Nature spirits attacking, but for some unknown
> > reason they didn't make it into 2nd Ed. I've just used a conversion of
> > those when needed..
>
> You're right, page 191 of SR1 has damage codes for nature spirits:
> Land: 4S3, +1 Reach (SRII: 8S, +1 Reach?)
> Sky: special (but I can't find where it explains this "special")

I believe that "special" was meant in the same way that Air Elemntals had
no "attack" per se, they just used their powers...Electrical Projection..
etc..

> Water: 2D6 Stun (SRII: 6D Stun?)
> Man: 3M4 (SRII: 4M?)
>
> --
> Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

Looks about right, or you could make the attack power some function of the
spirit's force (plus modifiers based on the type of spirit, etc..).

~Tim
Message no. 16
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:38:07 +0000
On 24 Dec 96 at 20:36, Jker77@***.COM wrote:
> could someone please restate what the accident power is?
SRII, pp. 214-216
PNAoNA, p. 8
PNAoE, pp. 126-127

Read it, buy the books, make Mike happy :-)

Sascha
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Message no. 17
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:38:07 +0000
On 23 Dec 96 at 10:59, Caric wrote:

> All good points Dark-Claw, but why the HUGE text?...Am I the only one who
> got about 32 point text on this message?
You should be one of the few (the ones who use Microsoft Mailer Software).
These are the only ones who interpret the attached rtf-informations...

Sascha
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Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: accident power and attacks of nature spirits
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:11:26 +0000
|
|could someone please restate what the accident power is?
|

Errrrr.....
The power to cause accidents???
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______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! >*SULK*<|
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