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From:	java <java@**********.COM>
Subject:	accident power - help
Date:	Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:29:01 -0500

Message no. 1 Hoi,
A situation came up in our game last night, and I thought I could use the
collective intellect of the list to find a solution. Can a spirit's
accident power be used on a vehicle moving through it's domain? Also can
this same power be used to affect a rigged rigger in said vehicle in said
domain?
Thanks
Java

From:	James Paul Morgan <jpmorgan@***.EDU>
Subject:	Re: accident power - help
Date:	Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:14:06 -0700

Message no. 2 On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, java wrote:

> Can a spirit's accident power be used on a vehicle moving through it's
> domain? Also can this same power be used to affect a rigged rigger in
> said vehicle in said domain?
>

I've always played that yes, the spirit can effect the vehicle. It is
basically effecting the driver of the vehicle that is foolish enough to
travel through its domain.

It can also effect a drone that is being run in Captain's Chair mode or is
purely on autopilot. In these cases, I use the autopilot rating for
resiting. (*hmm* I'm not sure if I'd use autonav or pilot from Rigger
2...) The idea I use is that the accident is not necessarily directly an
effect on the driver. It could be something like a rock in the wrong
place, a tree falling, a manhole cover popping up, some turbulance,
something floating in the water, or whatever (depending on the terrain and
spirit type). It can also be something that distracts or hinders the
driver. I don't let the Accident direclty effect the vehicle, such as a
temporary steering failure or something, unless it's a city spirit. I
figure the other spirits don't have enough understanind of vehicles.

See ya around the Mulberry bush.

--James
(Mission Specialist for the Ventrue on Mars project.)

:)

From:	Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: accident power - help
Date:	Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:07:04 EST

Message no. 3 In a message dated 98-01-25 15:17:38 EST, java@**********.com writes:

> Hoi,
> A situation came up in our game last night, and I thought I could
> use the
> collective intellect of the list to find a solution. Can a spirit's
> accident power be used on a vehicle moving through it's domain? Also can
> this same power be used to affect a rigged rigger in said vehicle in said
> domain?
>
To the first half of the question, most certainly. There are, or were in
First Ed at least, an example of this IIRC (busted air hose, sudden flat tire,
etcetera...). As for he second half, I would still say yes, but perhaps some
form of modifier since the driver isn't as readily "seen" (being within the
car). Of course, it's a spirit, so who knows...
-K

From:	JonSzeto <JonSzeto@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: accident power - help
Date:	Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:07:51 EST

Message no. 4 java wrote:

> Can a spirit's accident power be used on a vehicle moving through it's
domain?

Yes.

> Also can this same power be used to affect a rigged rigger in said vehicle
in
> said domain?

Provided the rigger's body is also within the spirit's domain (IOW, in the
vehicle, which is in the domain), yes.

More specific details can be found under Vehicles and Natural Domains, p. 55,
Rigger 2.

Hope that helps,

-- Jon

From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: accident power - help
Date:	Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:58:45 +0100

Message no. 5 java said on 14:29/25 Jan 98...

> A situation came up in our game last night, and I thought I could use the
> collective intellect of the list to find a solution. Can a spirit's
> accident power be used on a vehicle moving through it's domain? Also can
> this same power be used to affect a rigged rigger in said vehicle in said
> domain?

IMHO yes on both counts, although there is the question of the vehicle's
Resistance Test, as it has neither Quickness nor Intelligence (the higher
of which is used to resist the power). I'd probably let it roll its Body
dice instead, and if the Resistance Test fails some accident happens to
the vehicle (a tire blows, for example).

If used on the rigger in control of the vehicle, the normal Resistance
Test should be made, because then it's affecting the rigger, not the
vehicle.

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From:	Les Ward <lward@*******.COM>
Subject:	Re: accident power - help
Date:	Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:44:18 -0500

Message no. 6 Java asked:
> Can a spirit's accident power be used on a vehicle moving through it's
> domain?

Spirits can use their powers on anything in their domain. Like a previous
poster said though, keep in mind the mentality of a spirit. To them, a
vehcile is likely to resemble a foul smelling, moving rock (dim aura).

> Also can this same power be used to affect a rigged rigger in
> said vehicle in said domain?

No. To do this, the spirit would have to be inside the vehicle, which would
not be its domain. Standard nature spirits cannot cross domain lines. Great
spirits can, though. Also, alot depends on how you interpret domains. I
consider the "intent and purpose" of most vehicles to be closed
environments (they have environmental controls, usually some level of sound
proofing or other isolation from the outside, etc.), and therefore a
separate domain. This makes summoning spirits inside a vehicle next to
useless. FASA's take on this is probably different

Wordman

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