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Message no. 1
From: Flavien flavien.pagnon@********.fr
Subject: adepte
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:20:50 +0200
How can the physical adept upgrade their powers ?...
Can they buy new power with karma ?
and how much karma daes that cost ?

( I hope that yoou understand me!!!)

Thanks
flav. :)
Message no. 2
From: Grey metis76@*****.com
Subject: adepte
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
--- Flavien <flavien.pagnon@********.fr> wrote:
> How can the physical adept upgrade their powers ?...
> Can they buy new power with karma ?
> and how much karma daes that cost ?
>
> ( I hope that yoou understand me!!!)
>
> Thanks
> flav. :)

Easy. You spend 20 karma points and *poof* you get
another point worth of adept powers to buy. (This is
new in 3rd ed., in 2nd ed. you had to grade normally
like a Mage or Shaman.)

Grey

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Message no. 3
From: Matthew Dee gastrognome@*******.com
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:29:02 EST
>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:20:50 +0200
>
>How can the physical adept upgrade their powers ?...

Either by initiation, or by a flat-fee payment of 20 Karma = 1 Magic point
(MITS pp.57-61, SR3 p.168).

>Can they buy new power with karma ?

Only by increasing their magic rating (see above).

>and how much karma daes that cost ?
>
Again see the relevant sections of the main rules and MITS.

>( I hope that yoou understand me!!!)
>

Understanding you is not the problem, it's me I worry about. :)

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:31:28 +0200
According to Flavien, at 16:20 on 12 Apr 00, the word on the street was...

> How can the physical adept upgrade their powers ?...
> Can they buy new power with karma ?
> and how much karma daes that cost ?

I don't know if you've got the English version of the SR3 rulebook, but
this is covered on page 168, at the top of the right-hand column: 20 Good
Karma buys a Power Point.

Another way is through initiation, for which you'll need Magic in the
Shadows. This way, the adept gains a point of Magic rating and a Power
Point for (at first) less than 20 Karma.

If you're using second edition rules, the only way to gain more powers is
by initiating; see the Grimoire for more.

> ( I hope that yoou understand me!!!)

Please stop apologizing, you're coming through loud and clear :)

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Message no. 5
From: Even even@***********.fr
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:20:53 +0200
> I don't know if you've got the English version of the SR3 rulebook, but
> this is covered on page 168, at the top of the right-hand column: 20 Good
> Karma buys a Power Point.

I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number of power points you can
have is no longer limited by your magic rating?
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Message no. 6
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:59:13 -0600
At 13:20 4/13/00 +0200, Even wrote:

>I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number of power
>points you can have is no longer limited by your magic rating?

Right.

You can buy a power point for 20 karma at any time (GMs discretion).
However, that's all it is - one power point, no other bonuses given for it,
aside from those granted by the adept power you'll buy with it.

However, you can't have a power with a level higher than your magic rating.

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Message no. 7
From: Peter Kristiansen sds@**.auc.dk
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:03:37 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time)
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Even wrote:

> > I don't know if you've got the English version of the SR3 rulebook, but
> > this is covered on page 168, at the top of the right-hand column: 20 Good
> > Karma buys a Power Point.
>
> I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number of power points you
can have is no longer limited by your magic rating?

Well, I think it is open to discussion, i.e. I haven't seen any official
rule that I can remember O;-)

The way we handle it is that what stated in SR3 was in effect until MiTS
came out, after that you had to initiate.

In case you already bought power points, just convert them to initiate
grades. If I'm not completely off track the cost is roughly the same,
and lower, up until grade 4 (not counting ordeals).

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Message no. 8
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:22:08 -0500
From: Peter Kristiansen
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:04 AM

> > I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number
> > of power points you can have is no longer limited by your magic
> > rating?
>
> Well, I think it is open to discussion, i.e. I haven't seen any
> official rule that I can remember O;-)

The SR3 rule on, I think (going by memory, kind of hazardous for me) p. 168,
seems to imply that *really* strongly, if it doesn't say it outright (no
books handy, so can't check up on it right now).

> The way we handle it is that what stated in SR3 was in effect until
> MiTS came out, after that you had to initiate.

That's one way of handling it, I suppose. However, I think that's
unnecessary, especially since MITS invalidates this approach; it says
explicitly that adepts can buy power points with Karma in addition to
initiating (it's mentioned in the description for physical mages, or
magician's way adepts, or whatever they're called this time around, because
physmages can't buy power points like other adepts can).

As for making purchased power points into initiate grades...you like giving
out freebies, apparently (in the form of metamagic). Not too many people
are that easy. :)

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Message no. 9
From: Peter Kristiansen sds@**.auc.dk
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:27:54 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time)
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Patrick Goodman wrote:

[Snip snip..]
>
> > The way we handle it is that what stated in SR3 was in effect until
> > MiTS came out, after that you had to initiate.
>
> That's one way of handling it, I suppose. However, I think that's
> unnecessary, especially since MITS invalidates this approach; it says
> explicitly that adepts can buy power points with Karma in addition to
> initiating (it's mentioned in the description for physical mages, or
> magician's way adepts, or whatever they're called this time around, because
> physmages can't buy power points like other adepts can).

It does?? >surprised voice from Denmark< I do not have MiTS nearby so I
can't check until the weekend, and at that time I've probably forgotten
to do so O;-)

>
> As for making purchased power points into initiate grades...you like giving
> out freebies, apparently (in the form of metamagic). Not too many people
> are that easy. :)
>
Well, I don't think so unless ofcourse the adept has bought more than 4
power points as the cost of level 4 initiation = 20 karma. In effect
they pay 20 karma for level 1 initiation (regular cost 12) and so on..

In regard of the metamagic I haven't got any qualms as they already
would have paid too much karma.

But of course, as always it's up to the GM/group, I'll continue with the
initiation-as-only-way-to-increase-magic..

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Message no. 10
From: Jonathan Hurley silvercat@***********.org
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:01:48 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Goodman" <remo@***.net>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 09:22
Subject: RE: adepte


> From: Peter Kristiansen
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:04 AM
>
> > > I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number
> > > of power points you can have is no longer limited by your magic
> > > rating?
> >
> > Well, I think it is open to discussion, i.e. I haven't seen any
> > official rule that I can remember O;-)
>
> The SR3 rule on, I think (going by memory, kind of hazardous for me) p.
168,
> seems to imply that *really* strongly, if it doesn't say it outright (no
> books handy, so can't check up on it right now).
>
> > The way we handle it is that what stated in SR3 was in effect until
> > MiTS came out, after that you had to initiate.
>
> That's one way of handling it, I suppose. However, I think that's
> unnecessary, especially since MITS invalidates this approach; it says
> explicitly that adepts can buy power points with Karma in addition to
> initiating (it's mentioned in the description for physical mages, or
> magician's way adepts, or whatever they're called this time around,
because
> physmages can't buy power points like other adepts can).
>
> As for making purchased power points into initiate grades...you like
giving
> out freebies, apparently (in the form of metamagic). Not too many people
> are that easy. :)

It's a terrible way to handle it. Because initiation takes more karma each
time, you soon get to a point where a physical adept *cannot* advance
himself effectively (and at a much earlier point that a cyber-type cannot
add cyberware). I had already switched to allowing adepts to buy powers at a
flat rate of 15 KP per power well before SR3. (this was a result of some
calculations involving the cost of initiation for physical adepts, though I
still use it in SR3 rather than the 20 KP figure).

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Message no. 11
From: HHackerH@***.com HHackerH@***.com
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:31:12 EDT
In a message dated 4/13/00 8:05:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time, sds@**.auc.dk
writes:

> > I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number of power
> points you can have is no longer limited by your magic rating?
>
> Well, I think it is open to discussion, i.e. I haven't seen any official
> rule that I can remember O;-)
>
> The way we handle it is that what stated in SR3 was in effect until MiTS
> came out, after that you had to initiate.
>
> In case you already bought power points, just convert them to initiate
> grades. If I'm not completely off track the cost is roughly the same,
> and lower, up until grade 4 (not counting ordeals).
>
There's another answer to this post that is actually the truth about how to
deal with power points and Adepts and Initiation. MitS is actually pretty
clear that it is merely an *additional* way to obtain power points with which
to buy adept abilities.

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Message no. 12
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:12:45 +0200
According to Even, at 13:20 on 13 Apr 00, the word on the street was...

> > I don't know if you've got the English version of the SR3 rulebook, but
> > this is covered on page 168, at the top of the right-hand column: 20 Good
> > Karma buys a Power Point.
>
> I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number of power
> points you can have is no longer limited by your magic rating?

Yes. You can, in theory, have an unlimited number of Power Points.
However, each power has a limit: its level cannot be higher than your
Magic rating. So, a Magic 1 adept will only be able to get 1 point of pain
resistance, 1 level in improved reflexes, and so on.

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Message no. 13
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: adepte
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:13:11 -0500
> I don't know if you've got the English version of the SR3 rulebook, but
> this is covered on page 168, at the top of the right-hand column: 20 Good
> Karma buys a Power Point.

I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number of power
points you can have is no longer limited by your magic rating?
Alleycat [even.tomte@*********.com]
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Correct. After character creation, you PP can exceed your magic rating, if
you buy extra PP with karma. However, the maximum level of any one power is
still limited by your magic rating.

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Message no. 14
From: Peter Kristiansen sds@**.auc.dk
Subject: adepte
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:36:57 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time)
On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 HHackerH@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/13/00 8:05:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time, sds@**.auc.dk
> writes:
>
> > > I was a little puzzled by this. Does this mean that the number of power
> > points you can have is no longer limited by your magic rating?

[Snip my answer]

> There's another answer to this post that is actually the truth about how to
> deal with power points and Adepts and Initiation. MitS is actually pretty
> clear that it is merely an *additional* way to obtain power points with which
> to buy adept abilities.
>
That shows me to post a reply entirely from memory and "how we do
it based on rules from SR1 and SR2" O;-)

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