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Message no. 1
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:30:40 -0500
Ok... Well, I've been having compy troubles for the last week, so I haven't
been around to clutter up the list <waves at Fro and Spike<, but I haven't
been idle, especially where SR is concerned...

I've been thinking about all the talk there's been about Spidey as a SR
character, so I went to work and came up with a few ideas...

Here's what I came up with so far...

First off... A new Totem. This one is specially built for a Shamanic Adept
(namely our friendly neighborhood Spider-Runner). It could probably quite
easily be adapted for use by normal Adepts...

URBAN SPIDER TOEM (FOR SHAMANIC ADEPTS)

Spider is many things. He is a wily hunter, often able to defeat creatures
more powerful than he. He is a patiant captor, waiting for hours on end to
catch his prey without moving. He is a protector of his territory. he will
defend his home and web with his life, if need be. Shamanic Adpets
following Spider are all of these things as well.

Shamanic Adpets following the ways of the Urban Spider are very territorial,
by nature, and will adopt a "home turf" to be their own. This is referred
to as teh Sham-Ads "web". The web can be of any size, ranging from a city
block, to a district, to even an entire city. He will strive to protect
this territory from other predators.

While a Spider Sham-Ad may hunt in his own territory, no other may without
his permission. Those that seek to harm or hunt others in the Sham-Ads
territory will meet with swift retribution from the Sham Ad. He is both the
protector, and the predator, of his "web".

The Spider Sham Ad gains the Home Turf Bonus, which operates very similar to
the Home Turf Advantage from the SR Companion. If the Sham-Ad is operating
outside his territory, he loses these benifits. Also, should he fail to
"protect" his "web" adaquately, he loses these bonuses until he
regains
favor with Spider.

SPIDER_RUNNER ARCHETYPE

This was built using the Adhesion power recently posted to the list (sorry,
can't remember who), as well as regular Phys-Ad powers from the Grimoire and
Awakenings. The numbers are off the top of my head, so if any are
incorrect, my apologies.

Also, I used the point-based system to create Spidey, and included a couple
flaws that I felt fit the character of Spider-Man (and gave me a couple
extra building points to play with). This is the first time I've used the
point system, so if I screwed up, once again, my apologies...:)

Name: Stephen Parker, aka. Spider-Man
Race: Human
Sex: Male
Age: 18
Description: Shamanic Adept, following the Urban Spider Totem.

Body: 3
Quickness: 6
Strength: 5
Charisma: 3
Intelligence: 6
Willpower: 3
Essence: 6
Magic: 6
Reaction: 6
Initiative: 2d6 (+6 Reaction)

SKILLS
Athletics: 6 (7)
Projectile Weapons: 4
>Wrist Throwers: 6
>>Web Shooters: 8
Unarmed Combat: 6
>B/R Web Shooters: 5
Stealth: 4 (5)

POWERS
6th Sense (3 pts)
Extra Initiative- 1 dice (1 pt)
Traceless Walk (.5) **see note below
Adhesion (1 pt)
Stealth +1 (.25 pt)
Athletics +1 (.25 pts)

GEAR
Web Shooters (see below for details)
Form Fitting Armor (Costume)


** WEB SHOOTERS

The Web Shooters are a pair of wrist mounted devices that can fire a stream
of liquid that hardens almost instantly (about three seconds after contact
with air) into a very tough (strength 8) and incredibly sticky "webbing".
This can be used for tying up or capturing people, as well as for "web
swinging", a method of travel that involves firing webbing from building to
building and swinging on it as if n a rope.

The web shooters have 5 small canisters on each wrist, all linked to the
firing mechanism. Each canister contains enough of the the "web" compound
to fire 100 meters of webbing, thus between both wrist units, a full charge
will allow the wearer to fire up to 1000 meters of webbing.

*** ADHESION POWER

I've adjusted this power slightly to fit in with teh Spider-Man character
slightly. Basically, the adhesion power will work both with bare skin, or
through a very thing article of clothing, such as fine silk or Smandex
gloves and boots, such as teh character wears with his costume. The exact
nature of this change is up to the Gamemaster.

Well.... taht's what i came up with... What do you guys think?

Bull-the-spider-ork

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Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 06:17:56 -0500
Ooops... I forgot to add in the Flaws that I gave this character for the
couple extra Building Points that he got...

Ok, for one, I gave him the Day Job flaw at level two. This represents a
secret identity that he has. he works as a photographer/whatever for a
local news station. He also has a SIN as well as a totally secret identity.
he does wear a mask with his costue...

I also gave him the Bio-Rejection flaw. I figured that I'll never be giving
this character Bioware, so it wasn't THAT huge a penalty (Ok, a munchkinny
reason, I know)... Plus I needed to come up with a couple extra points...

Bull-the-spider-ork

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Message no. 3
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:23:02 -0800
[snip Bulls whole concept]

Sorry, not really spidey-related, but similar.

Bull started mentioning his new Totem and my little lump 'o grey matter
jumped to the words "Urban Totem", not really what SR means (Urban as
opposed to Rural) but more along the lines of Urban Myths (go check out
the reasoning behind why Gator is allowed as a urban totem..).

These super-hero type characters and magic traditions would be more in
line with 'Totems' based on Urban Myths...local super-heros or engimatic
do-gooders (and conversely super-villians and evil doers..).

It could grow into a situation where you'd a fair amount of followers
manifesting their powers along a similar theme. Just look at comic books,
how many times have there been more than one 'version' of a super-hero
(granted I am by no means a comic enthusiast, I don't own ANY to be
honest.)...Super-Man, several incarnations of Bat-Man, and a few others.

Your 'Spidey' totem could just be the tip of the iceberg in a new wave of
totems/traditions...

They'd be more along the lines of those German 'Idols' (I think, I don't
own the book and am just going from a half remembered reference in
Awakenings.).

Personally, I don't think they would play TOO big a part in any of MY
games, but who knows were your games may go.

Food for thought.

~Tim
Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:19:31 +0000
|URBAN SPIDER TOEM (FOR SHAMANIC ADEPTS)

Errrrrm....

Spider isn't all that benign....

(Read the Secrets of Power trilogy....)
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Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:33:18 +0000
|I also gave him the Bio-Rejection flaw. I figured that I'll never be giving
|this character Bioware, so it wasn't THAT huge a penalty (Ok, a munchkinny
|reason, I know)... Plus I needed to come up with a couple extra points...

Have you seen the spiderman episodes "The Mutagenic Nightmare"?

Where Peter Parker starts to mutate, grows an extra set of arms and
eventually turns into a really nasty web slinging monster???

That'd make a decent flaw....

:)
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Message no. 6
From: "V.A.L.I.S." <campbellcc@***.HENDRIX.EDU>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:15:35 +0100
>Have you seen the spiderman episodes "The Mutagenic Nightmare"?
>
>Where Peter Parker starts to mutate, grows an extra set of arms and
>eventually turns into a really nasty web slinging monster???
>
>That'd make a decent flaw....

Could we come up with some kind of understatement of the century award for
this...
(Can you imagine a person playing this?)


Sincerely,

Courtney C. Campbell...
(Male-Agnostic-Heterosexual-American)

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Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 18:18:16 +0000
|
|>Have you seen the spiderman episodes "The Mutagenic Nightmare"?
|>
|>Where Peter Parker starts to mutate, grows an extra set of arms and
|>eventually turns into a really nasty web slinging monster???
|>
|>That'd make a decent flaw....
|
|Could we come up with some kind of understatement of the century award for
|this...
|(Can you imagine a person playing this?)

No-one said we had to actually TELL him!
You just GIVE him a few bonus points, and pull this on him later....

(After all, Peter Parker didn't know it was going to happen 'till it
did....)

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Message no. 8
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 14:14:16 EST
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:15:35 +0100 "V.A.L.I.S."
<campbellcc@WWW.HENDRIX.EDU>; writes:
>>Have you seen the spiderman episodes "The Mutagenic Nightmare"?
>>
>>Where Peter Parker starts to mutate, grows an extra set of arms and
>>eventually turns into a really nasty web slinging monster???
>>
>>That'd make a decent flaw....
>
>Could we come up with some kind of understatement of the century award
>for
>this...
>(Can you imagine a person playing this?)
>
Actually, couldn't that be worked into the "Borrowed Time" Flaw?

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 9
From: Loki <loki@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 12:33:06 -0000
> >Have you seen the spiderman episodes "The Mutagenic Nightmare"?
> >
> >Where Peter Parker starts to mutate, grows an extra set of arms and
> >eventually turns into a really nasty web slinging monster???
> >
> >That'd make a decent flaw....
>
> Could we come up with some kind of understatement of the century award
for
> this...
> (Can you imagine a person playing this?)

How about Spidey's evil counter-parts, Carnage and Venom (at least I think
that's their names)? Would these be toxic versions? ;o)

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Message no. 10
From: Georg Greve <greve@*******.HANSE.DE>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 17:19:22 GMT
Bull (chaos@*****.COM) wrote:
: Here's what I came up with so far...

Very nice. For a christian, that is. *evil grin*

: URBAN SPIDER TOEM (FOR SHAMANIC ADEPTS)

Interesting, but I always thought Spider is treated as an insect totem.

: SPIDER_RUNNER ARCHETYPE
: This was built using the Adhesion power recently posted to the list (sorry,
: can't remember who), as well as regular Phys-Ad powers from the Grimoire and

Me. ;-)

: Awakenings. The numbers are off the top of my head, so if any are
: incorrect, my apologies.

Looks nice to me.

: *** ADHESION POWER
: I've adjusted this power slightly to fit in with teh Spider-Man character
: slightly. Basically, the adhesion power will work both with bare skin, or
: through a very thing article of clothing, such as fine silk or Smandex
: gloves and boots, such as teh character wears with his costume. The exact
: nature of this change is up to the Gamemaster.

Uhm. It was thought to work through clothing in the first place, so
you don't even need to change it.

: Well.... taht's what i came up with... What do you guys think?

I like it. Looks like a fun character.

: Bull-the-spider-ork

Imagine a Spidey-Troll... *giggle*

Later,
Georg

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Message no. 11
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:23:21 -0500
>|URBAN SPIDER TOEM (FOR SHAMANIC ADEPTS)
>
>Errrrrm....
>
>Spider isn't all that benign....
>
>(Read the Secrets of Power trilogy....)
>
That's why I didn't make this just a general Spider Sham-Ad...

I wanted to create a different aspect for Spider... The official one is WAY
too creepy, and not available as a PC totem anyways...

Besides, the Spider Totem from the SoP Trilogy is just an eight legged bug
totem...:)

Bull

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= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= =
= chaos@*****,com =
= =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

"Good Lord! I've heard of this - Cat juggling!"
-Steve Martin, "The Jerk"
Message no. 12
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:26:09 -0500
>|I also gave him the Bio-Rejection flaw. I figured that I'll never be giving
>|this character Bioware, so it wasn't THAT huge a penalty (Ok, a munchkinny
>|reason, I know)... Plus I needed to come up with a couple extra points...
>
>Have you seen the spiderman episodes "The Mutagenic Nightmare"?
>
>Where Peter Parker starts to mutate, grows an extra set of arms and
>eventually turns into a really nasty web slinging monster???
>
>That'd make a decent flaw....
>
I haven't seen the episode, but I DO remember the original issue that they
used that in the comic (boy, that dates me...:))

I kinda figured that maybe something along those lines might happen if
Bio/Cyber was put into him...

Of course, it might be worth a couple more points then... Or not.

Bull

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= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
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= chaos@*****,com =
= =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
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"Good Lord! I've heard of this - Cat juggling!"
-Steve Martin, "The Jerk"
Message no. 13
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:28:10 -0500
>How about Spidey's evil counter-parts, Carnage and Venom (at least I think
>that's their names)? Would these be toxic versions? ;o)
>
Quite possibly... Toxic Urban Spider Shamans.... I like it!

Bull

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= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= =
= chaos@*****,com =
= =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
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"Good Lord! I've heard of this - Cat juggling!"
-Steve Martin, "The Jerk"
Message no. 14
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:34:42 -0500
>Bull (chaos@*****.COM) wrote:
>: Here's what I came up with so far...
>
>Very nice. For a christian, that is. *evil grin*
>
>: URBAN SPIDER TOEM (FOR SHAMANIC ADEPTS)
>
>Interesting, but I always thought Spider is treated as an insect totem.
>
Spider is NOT considered an Insect Totem, and really doesn't reflect this in
the few source books that it's in... However, in the Secrets of power
trilogy Spider resembles the bugs VERY much...

My spider is a bit different... Something a little different, and probably
pretty rare...

>: SPIDER_RUNNER ARCHETYPE
> : This was built using the Adhesion power recently posted to the list (sorry,
>: can't remember who), as well as regular Phys-Ad powers from the Grimoire and
>
>Me. ;-)
>
Ok, cool... i like it...:0

>: Awakenings. The numbers are off the top of my head, so if any are
>: incorrect, my apologies.
>
>Looks nice to me.
>
Good...:)

>: *** ADHESION POWER
>: I've adjusted this power slightly to fit in with teh Spider-Man character
>: slightly. Basically, the adhesion power will work both with bare skin, or
>: through a very thing article of clothing, such as fine silk or Smandex
>: gloves and boots, such as teh character wears with his costume. The exact
>: nature of this change is up to the Gamemaster.
>
>Uhm. It was thought to work through clothing in the first place, so
>you don't even need to change it.
>
Ok, I wasn't sure... (darned mailer's fighting with me again)

>: Well.... taht's what i came up with... What do you guys think?
>
>I like it. Looks like a fun character.
>
Cool... I'm planning to try him out next time we start a new campign (when
and if... *sigh*)

>: Bull-the-spider-ork
>
>Imagine a Spidey-Troll... *giggle*
>
Heaven help us all... *shudder* **big grin**

>Later,
> Georg
>
Bull

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Message no. 15
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 18:45:02 -0800
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Bull wrote:

>
> I wanted to create a different aspect for Spider... The official one is WAY
> too creepy, and not available as a PC totem anyways...
>

Really? I thought that is was the only sanctioned PC "insect" totem (yes,
I'm well aware of the fact that arachnids AREN'T insects.. in SR's case
they both kinda fit together). From what I remember reading in the back
of Bug City, it didn't seem terribly creepy, and it seemed to me that it
was allowed as a PC totem (or at least "offically" allowed as an optional
PC totem, which is a far cry from where the Insect totems are.)

> Besides, the Spider Totem from the SoP Trilogy is just an eight legged bug
> totem...:)

Right you are about that one!

>
> Bull
>


~Tim
Message no. 16
From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 14:58:03 +1100
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Spike wrote:

> |I also gave him the Bio-Rejection flaw. I figured that I'll never be giving
> |this character Bioware, so it wasn't THAT huge a penalty (Ok, a munchkinny
> |reason, I know)... Plus I needed to come up with a couple extra points...
>
> Have you seen the spiderman episodes "The Mutagenic Nightmare"?
>
> Where Peter Parker starts to mutate, grows an extra set of arms and
> eventually turns into a really nasty web slinging monster???
>
> That'd make a decent flaw....
>
> :)

But Spidey got rid of that. Doc Conner's "ray" zapped the stupid vamp.
and transferred the mutagenic DNA to him, hence resolving Spidey of any
DNA mutational problems.

Shaman
Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:32:32 +0000
|That's why I didn't make this just a general Spider Sham-Ad...
|
|I wanted to create a different aspect for Spider... The official one is WAY
|too creepy, and not available as a PC totem anyways...
|
|Besides, the Spider Totem from the SoP Trilogy is just an eight legged bug
|totem...:)

I think there's a little bit more to her than that....
She was able to become empowered very early on (in fact, she probably would
have gained in power the moment the magic returned if she hadn't been
imprisoned by our favourite aborigine elf.... <Damn what's his name?>....

Also, she doesn't seem to care about procreation so much as
manipulation.....

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Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 16:03:54 +0000
|But Spidey got rid of that. Doc Conner's "ray" zapped the stupid vamp.
|and transferred the mutagenic DNA to him, hence resolving Spidey of any
|DNA mutational problems.

And wasn't that SUCH a nice plot contrivance?
If you want to be cured in shadowrun, it'd take a lot more than that....

Look what happened when Verner wanted to turn his sister back from a Wendigo
to an Ork....

It required something almost on the scale of the Ghost Dance...

And then it didn't work.....
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Message no. 19
From: Loki <loki@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:46:24 -0000
> |Besides, the Spider Totem from the SoP Trilogy is just an eight legged
bug
> |totem...:)
>
> I think there's a little bit more to her than that....
> She was able to become empowered very early on (in fact, she probably
would
> have gained in power the moment the magic returned if she hadn't been
> imprisoned by our favourite aborigine elf.... <Damn what's his name?>....

Urdli, at least I believe that was his name.

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Message no. 20
From: Nightlife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 16:51:01 -0500
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Spike wrote:
> And wasn't that SUCH a nice plot contrivance?
> If you want to be cured in shadowrun, it'd take a lot more than that....
>
> Look what happened when Verner wanted to turn his sister back from a Wendigo
> to an Ork....
>
> It required something almost on the scale of the Ghost Dance...
>
> And then it didn't work.....

Slight difference between the two cures one was technological ie
Spider-man's. Sam's was magical, big differnce probably not even comparable.

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Message no. 21
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:12:31 EST
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:11:12 -0800 Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
writes:
>On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Bull wrote:
>
>> At 06:45 PM 1/4/97 -0800, you wrote:
>> Hmmmm, I thought the only place Spider was listed as a totem (with
>rules)
>> was in the back of the Grimmy, and that it was listed (along with
>Mantis) as
>> a NPC-only totem. While I'm sure it's been used as a PC totem in
>some
>> games, I've yet to decide what to do with it in my game, so have
>avoided it,
>> and wouldn't let a PC use it.
>>
>> However, I could be wrong. This is all from memory...
>>
>> Bull
>>
>
>ARRRRGGGGG!! Out of all of the books on my shelf, why are Bug City and
>the
>2nd ed. Grimoire (the two that would be of any use..) among those that
>are
>still being borrowed!?!?!?
>
>(There's a game scheduled tonight, so I'll get them back and see what
>I
>can look up..)
>
> ~Tim
>
Actually, I think Grimoire 2 mentions spider and mantis as being "hunter"
totems, and scary indeed<going upstairs to get books>hmmm...can't find it
in there. Maybe it was in Grimoire 1? I know that the Spider totem was
mentioned in a book that I've seen other than Bug City (and since it
isn't in Awakenings). The totem itself is described in Bug City, however,
complete with modifiers. I'm kinda surprised that FASA hasn't bothered to
better sketch out the Insect totems, putting things like motivations and
die advantages into the description, making them more like normal totems.
Granted, they should still be limited to NPCs (IMO), but I think it would
allow for a better view of what drives each group. OTOH, I haven't really
started reading Bug City yet, and haven't even SEEN UB or looked at Queen
Euphoria (don't have either of those, however. I do have Bug City).

Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage
Message no. 22
From: Donald G Bixler <mudgb4@***.ECN.BGU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:13:14 -0600
> Actually, I think Grimoire 2 mentions spider and mantis as being "hunter"

[Zzap Spider and Mantis info location speculation...]

I don't think that Spider is mentioned in Grimmy 2, but Mantis
is under Magical Threats, p 106-7. I dunno about any of the other books
though; my SR collection is quite humble at the moment. (SR2, Grimmy2,
Seattle)

> Canthros-the-shapeshifter-mage

Oops da "Trying to be helpful" Ogre
Message no. 23
From: "James Meiers (Specter)" <james@***.UNM.EDU>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 16:59:42 -0700
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, John E Pederson wrote:

> Actually, I think Grimoire 2 mentions spider and mantis as being "hunter"
> totems, and scary indeed<going upstairs to get books>hmmm...can't find it
No, it doesn't. In "Awakwenings", under "Shamanic Physical Adepts", it
mentions there being Spider and Mantis shamanic PhysAds whose sole purpose
are loen Bug-hunts. they are loners, secretive, and DEADLY.


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Message no. 24
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:31:11 +0000
|
|> |Besides, the Spider Totem from the SoP Trilogy is just an eight legged
|bug
|> |totem...:)
|>
|> I think there's a little bit more to her than that....
|> She was able to become empowered very early on (in fact, she probably
|would
|> have gained in power the moment the magic returned if she hadn't been
|> imprisoned by our favourite aborigine elf.... <Damn what's his name?>....
|
|Urdli, at least I believe that was his name.

Yep... That's the one....
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Message no. 25
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:37:50 +0000
|Slight difference between the two cures one was technological ie
|Spider-man's. Sam's was magical, big differnce probably not even comparable.

It was still a cop out....

after all, his scientist friend failed, and then, zap, purely by accident he
gets cured....

Hmmmmmm....

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Message no. 26
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adept powers, Spidey-Adapt, and a new totem
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 01:59:43 -0500
At 03:32 PM 1/5/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I think there's a little bit more to her than that....
>She was able to become empowered very early on (in fact, she probably would
>have gained in power the moment the magic returned if she hadn't been
>imprisoned by our favourite aborigine elf.... <Damn what's his name?>....
>
>Also, she doesn't seem to care about procreation so much as
>manipulation.....
>
I can't remember the Aussie Immortal Elves name either... been too long
since I read the books...

And I agree about the Manipulatio over Procreation... But tell me those
weren't fleshforms that the Cat burgler dude and Stryper fought...

That's one of the things I meant about being bug-like... I haven't seen any
other totem creating fleshforms...

I think Spider and mantis both fall somewhere in between normal bug and
normal totem (like there's any such thing as normal bugs:))

Bull

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