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Message no. 1
From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:16:11 -0400
David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG> wrote:

>So all physical beings have three aspects, a physical form, an aura
>(which is present in astral space), and an astral form which is
>normally present on the physical plane. Some beings are able to
>project their astral forms (through astral perception) into the
>astral plane, and some beings can also seperate their astral forms
>(astral projection/travel).

Correct.

>Is it possible for a physical being to seperate it's astral form and project
it into the >physical plane (astral travel with travelling to the astral)?

No. An astral form must exist in astral space by definition. An astral form
can become visible to characterrs on the physical plane, but it remains in
astral space.

>The astral forms of dual natured beings are present on the astral plane.

Correct.

>Astral beings normally do not have a physical form (but do they have
>an aura?). Do astral beings which have Manifestation have a physical
>form which resides on the astral plane, which they can project into
>the physical plane? Or does Manifestation grant an astral being with
>the ability to create a physical form?

EVERYTHING has an aura. Astral beings do not normally have a physical form,
but can create one out of the stuff of the astral plane when they Manifest.

>Is an astral being able to project it's astral form onto the physical
>(that form of manifestation that's mentioned in a few of the books
>and adventures)?

Astral beings can make their astral form visible to the physical world, but
they are only phantoms, still immaterial and unable to touch or affect
anything physical. To affect the physical world, the spirit must Manifest.

Steve
Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:05:12 -0600
Steve Kenson wrote:
|
| >Is it possible for a physical being to seperate it's astral form and project
| it into the >physical plane (astral travel with travelling to the astral)?
|
| No. An astral form must exist in astral space by definition. An astral form
| can become visible to characterrs on the physical plane, but it remains in
| astral space.

Cool.

| EVERYTHING has an aura. Astral beings do not normally have a physical form,
| but can create one out of the stuff of the astral plane when they Manifest.

Gotcha. It also explains the ITN ability (since they have a body that's
formed from "magic".

| >Is an astral being able to project it's astral form onto the physical
| >(that form of manifestation that's mentioned in a few of the books
| >and adventures)?
|
| Astral beings can make their astral form visible to the physical world, but
| they are only phantoms, still immaterial and unable to touch or affect
| anything physical. To affect the physical world, the spirit must Manifest.

The one thing I'm having trouble with is that you feel (I think :)
that auras are only present on the astral plane. I think it'd be a
whole lot easier to say that for physical objects (beings/things)
their auras are on the physical plane, and they cast a shadow on the
astral plane. (In the case of a living being their aura casts light
onto the astral plane.) The auras of astral objects reside on the
astral plane. If an object is dual natured it could be either way.

This, for me, goes a long way toward explaining some things: why an
astral being can't interact with a purely physical object (no astral
presence). Why so many species died out when the magic ebbed. They
where dual natured beings whose aura was on the astral, and when the
gap between the astral and the physical became to great they died.
Some beings that were strong enough were able to maintain a teneable
link. Some beings stored up enough magic to keep that link open.
And some beings (dragons) travelled to a metaplane or something.

Anyway, all IMHO :)

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
--
"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 3
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection -Reply
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:03:21 -0500
David Buehrer about how he would like to see it
that auras exist in the physical plane but cast
light in the astral.

My reply:
I don't like that nearly as much. Auras are
completely indetectable by science, and having
them exist only astrally explains that neatly, in
addition to why only some people can see them.
As for being able to pass through them: consider
them astral "smells", rather than astral objects.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 4
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection -Reply
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:42:34 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-30 13:04:28 EDT, MikeE@*********.COM writes:

> My reply:
> I don't like that nearly as much. Auras are
> completely indetectable by science, and having
> them exist only astrally explains that neatly, in
> addition to why only some people can see them.
> As for being able to pass through them: consider
> them astral "smells", rather than astral objects.
>
Uh, I won't do the dreaded action here, but Mike, you have limited yourself
greatly. Ever heard of Kirlian Photography invented by the Russian? Sure,
it measures electrical auras and displaced energy patterns on a photochroma
plate, but the idea is there.

Lets take that to the Cybernetic Age and the Awakening....
-Keith
Message no. 5
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection -Reply
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:10:10 EDT
On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:42:34 -0400 "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:

<snip>
>Uh, I won't do the dreaded action here, but Mike, you have limited
>yourself
>greatly. Ever heard of Kirlian Photography invented by the Russian?


Sure, they used it in the X-Files just a little while back;) Some neat
stuff there...


>Sure,
>it measures electrical auras and displaced energy patterns on a
>photochroma
>plate, but the idea is there.
>
>Lets take that to the Cybernetic Age and the Awakening....


Hmm . . . A Kirillian Aural Detection Device, works by checking out
displaced energy patterns within a very specific area . . . might even
qualify for one of the Big D's bequests . . .

<yet another idea being tucked away for a rainy day>


--
-Canthros
I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
--Francis Bacon
http://members.aol.com/canthros1
Message no. 6
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection -Reply -Reply
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:43:24 -0500
>Uh, I won't do the dreaded action here, but
>Mike, you have limited yourself greatly. Ever
>heard of Kirlian Photography invented by the
>Russian? Sure, it measures electrical auras
>and displaced energy patterns on a
>photochroma plate, but the idea is there.
>
>Lets take that to the Cybernetic Age and the
>Awakening....
>-Keith

Yes, I'm familiar with it, and the "aura
photographing" aspects of it seem to depend an
aweful lot on the photographer... In my game, it
only really "works" if the photographer is
magically active, and even then it doesn't have
any practical value.

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 7
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection -Reply
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:54:59 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-31 04:21:34 EDT, you write:

> Uh, I won't do the dreaded action here, but Mike, you have limited yourself
> greatly. Ever heard of Kirlian Photography invented by the Russian?
Sure,
> it measures electrical auras and displaced energy patterns on a
photochroma
> plate, but the idea is there.

You don't even need Kirlian equipment, high energy sites get picked up on
normal photographic film. Problem is, in the modern day, unless it's got a
fancy name with a fancy scientific explanation, the fuzz in the center of an
otherwise clear picture gets passed off as random body parts, bad spot on the
film, etc. But regular film works if there's enough energy.

Wolfstar(Forgot to sign the last two!)
Message no. 8
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Adepts and Astral Projection -Reply -Reply
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:42:57 -0400
In a message dated 97-07-31 10:44:26 EDT, MikeE@*********.COM writes:

>
> Yes, I'm familiar with it, and the "aura
> photographing" aspects of it seem to depend an
> aweful lot on the photographer... In my game, it
> only really "works" if the photographer is
> magically active, and even then it doesn't have
> any practical value.
>
> Double-Domed Mike
>

That's too bad actually, because it -might- work if something is manifesting
from the Astral into the "Mundane" realm. I kind of imagine that is how
those "pictures" were taken of the "Astral Encounter" in the Grimoire.

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