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Message no. 1
From: Doctor Doom <JCH8169@*****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:41:24 -0600
Meine Kamaraden:

I have been the assailed with a number of bewildered inquiries as to
the reasoning and motivation behind my deletion of various members of this
list. Although this variety of phenomena is covered in the ShadowRun FAQ
document, I shall take it upon myself to explain it:

Unless otherwise indicated, the execution of a subscription is due to
my receipt of an error message from the Listserv regarding undelivered or
undeliverable mail messages. This can be caused by a couple factors, e.g.
quota overflow, or your account otherwise being considered "unavailable"
(probably caused by faulty or overloaded Internet/Bitnet connections). If the
particular account which is the cause of the problem is not removed from the
list, the situation can result in a chronic problem of mail being "bounced" to
both my and Herr Hayden's account. Naturally, neither he nor I enjoy this.

Furthermore, there is the possibility if not attended to in a timely
manner, the error may accidentally be reported to the list, which initiates a
vicious circle of bouncing mail, i.e. the error message is dispatched to all
subscribers, including the problematic account.

If a deletion is intended to be a punitive action -- of which I have
performed only ONE since my assuming of this office -- I shall warn the
offending account(s) of their behavior and counsel them to modify it previous
to my resorting to any such measures. If my suggestions are not observed, the
account's subscription shall be dispatched. In this eventuality, I shall once
again inform the account's owner and identify the unacceptable activity which
has lead to their removal. Rest assured that if you are recipient of notice of
your deletion it is due to no authoritative caprice upon my part.

Therefore, if you are told by the listserver that your account has been
summarily executed by my hand, and I have offered no indication of this being
an disciplinary action, assume that your account was -- for whatever reason --
not receiving mail, which caused the message to be bounced to both Herr Hayden
and me. Then it would be the case that I deleted you in an effort to prevent
any annoying difficulties with bouncing mail messages.

________________ _______ _______ ____ ____
\ _____ \ / \ / \ / \/ \ >>> Attack,
\ | | | |---___ | ___---| | || || | attack, and
| | | | |_____/ | \_____| | || || | if in doubt
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | | | | | || || | ATTACK! <<<
"Iron hand in a | |___/ / \_______/ \_______/|____| |____| -=-=-=-=-=-
velvet glove." | / ||
-- Charles V |_______/ Dreaded Executor of Administrative Tasks for Hayden

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Message no. 2
From: Doctor Doom <jch8169@*******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 17:47:08 -0500
Meine Kameraden:

I have been the assailed with a number of bewildered inquiries as to
the reasoning and motivation behind my deletion of various members of this
list. Although this variety of phenomena is covered in the ShadowRun FAQ
document, I shall take it upon myself to explain it:

Unless otherwise indicated, the execution of a subscription is due to
my receipt of an error message from the Listserv regarding undelivered or
undeliverable mail messages. This can be caused by a couple factors, e.g.
quota overflow, or your account otherwise being considered "unavailable"
(probably caused by faulty or overloaded Internet/Bitnet connections). If the
particular account which is the cause of the problem is not removed from the
list, the situation can result in a chronic problem of mail being "bounced" to
both my and Herr Hayden's account. Naturally, neither he nor I enjoy this.

Furthermore, there is the possibility if not attended to in a timely
manner, the error may accidentally be reported to the list, which initiates a
vicious circle of bouncing mail, i.e. the error message is dispatched to all
subscribers, including the problematic account.

If a deletion is intended to be a punitive action -- of which I have
performed only TWO since my assuming of this office -- I shall warn the
offending account(s) of their behavior and counsel them to modify it previous
to my resorting to any such measures. If my suggestions are not observed, the
account's subscription shall be dispatched. In this eventuality, I shall once
again inform the account's owner and identify the unacceptable activity which
has lead to their removal. Rest assured that if you are recipient of notice of
your deletion it is due to no authoritative caprice upon my part.

Therefore, if you are told by the listserver that your account has been
summarily executed by my hand, and I have offered no indication of this being
an disciplinary action, assume that your account was -- for whatever reason --
not receiving mail, which caused the message to be bounced to both Herr Hayden
and me. Then it would be the case that I deleted you in an effort to prevent
any annoying difficulties with bouncing mail messages.


________________ _______ _______ ____ ____
\ _____ \ / \ / \ / \/ \ >>> Attack,
\ | | | |---___ | ___---| | || || | attack, and
| | | | |_____/ | \_____| | || || | if in doubt
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | | | | | || || | ATTACK! <<<
"Iron hand in a | |___/ / \_______/ \_______/|____| |____| -=-=-=-=-=-
velvet glove." | / ||
-- Charles V |_______/ Dread Executor of Administrative Tasks for Hayden

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Message no. 3
From: Doctor Doom <jch8169@*******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:05:40 -0600
Meine Kameraden:

I have been the assailed with a number of bewildered inquiries as to
the reasoning and motivation behind my deletion of various members of this
list. Although this variety of phenomena is covered in the ShadowRun FAQ
document, I shall take it upon myself to explain it:

Unless otherwise indicated, the execution of a subscription is due to
my receipt of an error message from the Listserv regarding undelivered or
undeliverable mail messages. This can be caused by a couple factors, e.g.
quota overflow, or your account otherwise being considered "unavailable"
(probably caused by faulty or overloaded Internet/Bitnet connections). If the
particular account which is the cause of the problem is not removed from the
list, the situation can result in a chronic problem of mail being "bounced" to
both my and Herr Hayden's account. Naturally, neither he nor I enjoy this.

Furthermore, there is the possibility if not attended to in a timely
manner, the error may accidentally be reported to the list, which initiates a
vicious circle of bouncing mail, i.e. the error message is dispatched to all
subscribers, including the problematic account.

If a deletion is intended to be a punitive action -- of which I have
performed only TWO since my assuming of this office -- I shall warn the
offending account(s) of their behavior and counsel them to modify it previous
to my resorting to any such measures. If my suggestions are not observed, the
account's subscription shall be dispatched. In this eventuality, I shall once
again inform the account's owner and identify the unacceptable activity which
has lead to their removal. Rest assured that if you are recipient of notice of
your deletion it is due to no authoritative caprice upon my part.

Therefore, if you are told by the listserver that your account has been
summarily executed by my hand, and I have offered no indication of this being
an disciplinary action, assume that your account was -- for whatever reason --
not receiving mail, which caused the message to be bounced to both Herr Hayden
and me. Then it would be the case that I deleted you in an effort to prevent
any annoying difficulties with bouncing mail messages.

________________ _______ _______ ____ ____
\ _____ \ / \ / \ / \/ \ >>> Attack,
\ | | | |---___ | ___---| | || || | attack, and
| | | | |_____/ | \_____| | || || | if in doubt
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | | | | | || || | ATTACK! <<<
"Iron hand in a | |___/ / \_______/ \_______/|____| |____| -=-=-=-=-=-
velvet glove." | / ||
-- Charles V |_______/ Dread Executor of Administrative Tasks for Hayden

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Message no. 4
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 00:05:40 +1100
Doctor Doom writes:

[Blurb on deletion of subscriptions]

Put it in the FAQ I say! With that in there you'd have to be brain dead to
misinterpret deletion of your account (assuming you could scrape by the
required literacy level to read it of course - no mean feat with Doom :-) )
as a punitive measure when it wasn't.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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B? e+ u@ h* f(+) !r n--(----) !y+
Message no. 5
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:52:07 -0500
On Thu, 24 Nov 1994, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Doctor Doom writes:
>
> [Blurb on deletion of subscriptions]
>
> Put it in the FAQ I say! With that in there you'd have to be brain dead to
> misinterpret deletion of your account (assuming you could scrape by the
> required literacy level to read it of course - no mean feat with Doom :-) )
> as a punitive measure when it wasn't.

It _is_ in the FAQ -- much less verbose, but still indubitably
there, at the tail end of Part I.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "My lockpick of choice has always been the Panther Assault Cannon." |
| -David L. Hoff |
--------========== http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/home.html ==========--------
Message no. 6
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 14:39:23 +1100
J.D. Falk writes:

> It _is_ in the FAQ -- much less verbose, but still indubitably
> there, at the tail end of Part I.

Also much less clear, much less blunt, and much more ambiguous to boot. That
blurb was blantantly clear and made sure the reader realsied what it was
supposed to be saying. Not so with the FAQ.

> EMail me if you need another copy of the FAQ.

Well, since I'm replying to the other part of your post, and since a hard
dick crash destroyed all of my SR list stuff I've been accumulating (big
bummer :-() I'll take you up on that offer. You wouldn't happen to have one
of those "you are now subscribed to SR" messages too would you? You know,
the one that says "keep this message and put it away someplace. It may seem
like a waste of disk space now, but in the future, when you are wondering
how to unscubscribe, you'll be glad you kept it"? 'Cause I could do with one
of those too. Thanks.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

(GEEK CODE 2.1) GE -d+(d) H s++:-- !g p? !au a18 w+ v(?) C+(++) US++ P? L !3 E?
N K- W+ M@ !V po@ Y(+) t+ !5 !j R+(++) G(+)('') !tv(--)@ b++ D+
B? e+ u@ h* f(+) !r n--(----) !y+
Message no. 7
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 21:45:50 -0600
On Fri, 25 Nov 1994, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Well, since I'm replying to the other part of your post, and since a hard
> dick crash destroyed all of my SR list stuff I've been accumulating (big
> bummer :-() I'll take you up on that offer. You wouldn't happen to have one
> of those "you are now subscribed to SR" messages too would you? You know,
> the one that says "keep this message and put it away someplace. It may seem
> like a waste of disk space now, but in the future, when you are wondering
> how to unscubscribe, you'll be glad you kept it"? 'Cause I could do with one
> of those too. Thanks.

That second message you mention is sent from the LISTSERV, not from JD.

If you want to get it, unsubscribe from the list and resubscribe.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
\/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> I do not necessarily speak for the
\/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> City of Mankato or anyone else
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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j R+++$ G- tv+ b+ D+ B--- e+>++(*) u** h* f r-->+++ !n y++**
Message no. 8
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 15:19:40 +1100
Damion writes:

> [...] and since a hard dick crash destroyed [...]

Ouch!

luke

(Sorry, I know it's not funny. I gather you have no system backups...)
Message no. 9
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:53:37 -0500
On Fri, 25 Nov 1994, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Well, since I'm replying to the other part of your post, and since a hard
> dick crash destroyed all of my SR list stuff I've been accumulating (big
> bummer :-() I'll take you up on that offer. You wouldn't happen to have one
> of those "you are now subscribed to SR" messages too would you? You know,
> the one that says "keep this message and put it away someplace. It may seem
> like a waste of disk space now, but in the future, when you are wondering
> how to unscubscribe, you'll be glad you kept it"? 'Cause I could do with one
> of those too. Thanks.

Well, I won't comment on the specific type of crash you mentioned
above, but I just sent you the FAQs. As for the message from HEARN, just
send a message containing nothing but the word "HELP" to good old
<LISTSERV@*****.nic.SURFnet.nl>.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "Advice is what people ask for when we already know the answer |
| but wish we didn't." -Erica Jong |
--------========== http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/home.html ==========--------
Message no. 10
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 00:04:28 +1100
J.D. Falk writes:

> > . . . and since a hard
> > dick crash destroyed all of my SR list stuff . . .
>
> Well, I won't comment on the specific type of crash you mentioned
> above, but I just sent you the FAQs.

Oooh! <Stupid Grin> That's pretty funny actually, I don't know just how that
happened...? :-)

BTW, thanks for the FAQs.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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N K- W+ M@ !V po@ Y(+) t+ !5 !j R+(++) G(+)('') !tv(--)@ b++ D+
B? e+ u@ h* f(+) !r n--(----) !y+
Message no. 11
From: Doctor Doom <jch8169@*******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:59:37 -0600
Meine Kameraden:

I have been the assailed with a number of bewildered inquiries as to
the reasoning and motivation behind my deletion of various members of this
list. Although this variety of phenomena is covered in the ShadowRun FAQ
document -- 'tis without question the Single Most Frequently Asked Question
which I encounter -- I shall take it upon myself to explain it:

UNLESS OTHERWISE INDICATED, the execution of a subscription is due
to my receipt of an error message from the Listserv regarding undelivered or
undeliverable mail messages. Such a situation can find its genesis in a
couple factors, e.g., quota overflow or your account otherwise being
considered "unavailable" (probably brought about by faulty/overloaded/down
Internet/Bitnet connections).

If the particular subscription which proves the cause of the
difficulty is not removed from the list's manifest in a timely manner,
such an address can generate tremendous quantities of error messages in a
gallingly short period of time -- all of which I receive. Naturally, I do
not particularly enjoy this.

Furthermore, there is the possibility if not attended to in a timely
manner, the error may accidentally be reported to the list, which initiates a
vicious circle of bouncing mail, i.e. the error message is dispatched to all
subscribers, including the problematic account.

If a deletion is intended to be a PUNITIVE action -- of which I have
performed only THREE since my assuming of this office -- I shall warn the
offending account(s) of their behavior and counsel them to modify it previous
to my resorting to any such measures. If my suggestions are not observed, the
account's subscription shall be dispatched. In this eventuality, I shall once
again inform the account's owner and identify the unacceptable activity which
has lead to their removal. Rest assured that if you are recipient of notice of
your deletion it is due to no authoritative caprice upon my part.

Therefore, if you are informed by the listserver that your
subscription has been summarily executed by my hand, and I have offered no
indication of this being an disciplinary action, assume that your account was
-- for whatever reason -- not receiving mail, which caused the message to be
bounced to my account. Then it would be the case that I deleted you in an
effort to prevent any annoying difficulties with bouncing mail messages.

________________ _______ _______ ____ ____
\ _____ \ / \ / \ / \/ \ >>> Attack,
\ | | | |---___ | ___---| | || || | attack, and
| | | | |_____/ | \_____| | || || | if in doubt
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | | | | | || || | ATTACK! <<<
"Iron hand in a | |___/ / \_______/ \_______/|____| |____| -=-=-=-=-=-
velvet glove." | / ||
-- Charles V |_______/ Dread Executor of Administrative Tasks for Hayden

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Message no. 12
From: Inquisitor <ESPD92MS@****.ANGLIA-POLYTECHNIC.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:25:00 GMT
Any reason as to why I received _three_ posts on the Admin: deletion of your
subscriptions topic from the Wise Mr Doom?
Message no. 13
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:14:38 -0600
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Inquisitor wrote:

> Any reason as to why I received _three_ posts on the Admin: deletion of your
> subscriptions topic from the Wise Mr Doom?

Because you are subscribed to three of the Shadowrun mailing lists.


____ Robert A. Hayden <=> With liberty and justice for _all_...
\ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=-
\/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
\/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/hayden
Message no. 14
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Deletion of Subscriptions
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 21:58:26 -0500
On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Inquisitor wrote:

> Any reason as to why I received _three_ posts on the Admin: deletion of your
> subscriptions topic from the Wise Mr Doom?
>
Probably because you are subscribed to three mailing lists. He
only sends one to each list, but the lists are totally seperate as far as
the HEARN LISTSERV is concerned.
In the future, check the headers -- if all are addressed to the
same list, or to just you, something strange is going on.

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