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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: FASA <-> NERPS Copyright Problems Solved
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 16:07:01 -0500
I just got off the telephone with DLoH (Tom Down) and I believe that the
problems and concerns we have with regards to the mailing lists and the
NERPS project have been solved (yay!).

Tom has informed me that FASA will extend to one person (me) written
permission to operate the four HEARN mailing lists. That person needs to
act as Supreme Overlord of the NERPS books to make sure that the specific
rules of the license are met (ie, I approve JD Falk's copyright
information before it goes out on the net). That person will also be
given permission to offer printed, bound and signed copies of the NERPS
manuals in a non-profit manner.

If, for some reason, I lose my mind (or worse, net.access) who ever takes
over as Fearless Leader will have to get re-licensed for that person.
If, for some reason, the lists break apart from a central contact, each
person will have to work out details with FASA.

FASA has been very good about this dispite all the problems and
opportunities they had to say "piss off" :-)

They ain't no T$R, that's for sure.

I'll be sending them a letter later today or tomorrow along with copies of
the NERPS books. They in turn will keep my letter on file and smail me
back a letter of permission. This letter WILL be posted to the list in
order to keep the specific allowances of the license public domain, and
the FAQ will be modified to show the blessings of FASA.

If there are any other questions, feel free to ask.

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OTHER IMPORTANT PARTS FROM THE CONVERSATION:

Tom sounds a lot younger than imagined.

Tom refused to tell me Doom's name. *grrrrr*

Why Seattle? When they gave me the address as in chicago, I asked why
they chose Seattle as the center of the SR universe. The answer was much
kooler than I expected. Seattle, for a large city, is virtually unknown,
but New York, Chicago, L.A., etc all have reputations. To choose one of
those cities woudl make it difficult for people to accept the kinds of
changes that SR puts forth. Kool thinking on their part.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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Message no. 2
From: DAVID M GIRARDOT <dmg5@***.CC.LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA <-> NERPS Copyright Problems Solved
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 01:02:59 -0400
On Mon, 3 Oct 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> [snip]
> Tom has informed me that FASA will extend to one person (me) written
> permission to operate the four HEARN mailing lists. That person needs to

Robert,

I realize that you're probably glad to have everything resolved, but
the wording above suggests that FASA has licensed the HEARN lists
themselves.

Is this true, has FASA actually licensed the lists themselves?

If true, it disturbs me since the implication is that there is a problem
with unlicensed lists...

I can see how a license might technically be required for NERPS (and
it is really gracious of FASA to be accommadating in that respect) but
for the list themselves?

Anyway, I would be interested in hearing a clarification...

-- David

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Message no. 3
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA <-> NERPS Copyright Problems Solved
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 00:24:15 -0500
On Tue, 4 Oct 1994, DAVID M GIRARDOT wrote:

> I realize that you're probably glad to have everything resolved, but
> the wording above suggests that FASA has licensed the HEARN lists
> themselves.

THe "license" is not there so much because it's needed, but it is "to
remove all possible doubt" that FASA has given it's blessing, and know of
the lists existence and has on file a person that is running it. It's
mostly a paper-shuffle, I think.


> If true, it disturbs me since the implication is that there is a problem
> with unlicensed lists...

The problem is the publishing of unlicensed trademarks. Is the listing a
publication? Nobody is sure, so this is called "let's cover our asses".

> Anyway, I would be interested in hearing a clarification...

Until I get the letter back from FASA ( a few weeks probably) there isn't
much I can clarify. When I DO get the letter, I will certainly post it
to inform all.

____ Robert A. Hayden <=> hayden@*******.mankato.msus.edu
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Message no. 4
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA <-> NERPS Copyright Problems Solved
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 15:16:33 +1000
Our Fearless Leader writes:

> Tom refused to tell me Doom's name. *grrrrr*

Hunh? I don't get it.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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