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Message no. 1
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 13:46:36 -0500
This was forwarded to me from DOOM via the Earthdawn list. This is what
I based my earlier posting on. Apparently, because of the problems with
Vorlon (soon it will be fixed, dammit!), the original message from Tom
Dowd never arrived in my hands.

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Message no. 2
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 13:29:22 +1000
FASA writes:

> 1) Inclusion of verbatim text from any copyrighted product or novel is
> strictly forbidden under US and International Copyright law, without the
> copyright holder's permission. Except if otherwise noted, by written
> agreement, this right is withheld by FASA Corporation in all instances.
> (What this means, simply, is that you can't copy portions of any of our
> products or novels into an electronic document and then distribute it. This
> primarily pertains to large blocks of text, such as rules, stories, fiction,
> and so on, rather than game statistics or individual proper nouns or slang,)

This means people can't have SR quotes in their .sigs anymore. A couple of
people out there do I know.

> 2) Any electronic material that includes or reference any of FASA copyrights
> or trademarks must include the statement (in all copies):
> Shadowrun is a Registered Trademark of FASA Corporation. Original
> Shadowrun material Copyright 1994 by FASA Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
> Used without permission. Any use of FASA Corporation';s copyrighted material
> or trademarks in this file should not be viewed as a challenged to those
> copyrights or trademarks.
> (In the above, Shadowrun is used as an example. The relevant game line
> should be referenced instead. Also, the current year, or year of creation of
> the electronic file should be used as well.
> Ideally, this statement should be positioned as close to either the
> beginning of the document/file or immediately following the title/credits.)

Well, doesn't this cover just about everything we send to the list? Might as
well put the statement in my .sig, so it's there automatically.

> 3) Any use of artwork or graphics without written permission is expressly
> forbidden. This includes use of the trademarked line-identifying logo.

Better gets those images off your WWW page Paolo :-)

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Message no. 3
From: Paolo Marcucci <marcucci@***.TS.ASTRO.IT>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:52:41 METDST
Damion writes:
>
> > 3) Any use of artwork or graphics without written permission is expressly
> > forbidden. This includes use of the trademarked line-identifying logo.
>
> Better gets those images off your WWW page Paolo :-)
>
Whooopsss!!!

BTW These laws are internationally applied?

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Message no. 4
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:30:35 -0400
>>>>> "MILLIKEN" == MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
writes:

MILLIKEN> This means people can't have SR quotes in their .sigs anymore. A
MILLIKEN> couple of people out there do I know.

That's not necessarilly true. A quote, properly attributed, comes under
fair use.

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Message no. 5
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 09:32:01 -0400
>>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Marcucci <marcucci@***.TS.ASTRO.IT>
writes:

Paolo> BTW These laws are internationally applied?

Depends on what country you live in. Some nations will respect another
nation's copyright and trademark laws, others don't.

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Message no. 6
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 10:58:18 -0500
On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, MILLIKEN DAMION A wrote:

> > 1) Inclusion of verbatim text from any copyrighted product or novel is
> > strictly forbidden under US and International Copyright law, without the
> > copyright holder's permission. Except if otherwise noted, by written
> > agreement, this right is withheld by FASA Corporation in all instances.

> This means people can't have SR quotes in their .sigs anymore. A couple of
> people out there do I know.

According to the fair use doctrine, you ARE permitted to have excerpts
from copyright words. I believe the limit is around 300 words, and
usually for the purpose of discussion or disagreement.

> > 2) Any electronic material that includes or reference any of FASA copyrights
> > or trademarks must include the statement (in all copies):
> > Shadowrun is a Registered Trademark of FASA Corporation. Original
> > Shadowrun material Copyright 1994 by FASA Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
> > Used without permission. Any use of FASA Corporation';s copyrighted material
> > or trademarks in this file should not be viewed as a challenged to those
> > copyrights or trademarks.
>
> Well, doesn't this cover just about everything we send to the list? Might as
> well put the statement in my .sig, so it's there automatically.

That's a good question, and I'll be following up that original letter
with some questions sometime next week, including this. It might be
enough to put that into the FAQ.

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Message no. 7
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 10:59:20 -0500
On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Paolo Marcucci wrote:

> Damion writes:
> >
> > > 3) Any use of artwork or graphics without written permission is expressly
> > > forbidden. This includes use of the trademarked line-identifying logo.
> >
> > Better gets those images off your WWW page Paolo :-)
> >
> Whooopsss!!!
>
> BTW These laws are internationally applied?

You betcha. I assume Italy has signed the Berne convention.

>
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> Paolo Marcucci marcucci@***.ts.astro.it
> http://www.oat.ts.astro.it/marcucci/home.html
>
>

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Message no. 8
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 12:05:43 -0400
>>>>> "Robert" == Robert A Hayden
<hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> writes:

Robert> That's a good question, and I'll be following up that original
Robert> letter with some questions sometime next week, including this. It
Robert> might be enough to put that into the FAQ.

You might also want to ask for permission to distribute NERPS and what-not.

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Message no. 9
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:58:32 -0500
I believe that copyright laws do apply internationally. When my mother wrote
the coursepackets for Italian 101, 102, 103, and 104 a year or so ago, and
especially with her book "il carciofo" (The Artichoke), she had copyright
problems using Italian artworks.
Message no. 10
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:08:36 -0400
On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, MILLIKEN DAMION A wrote:

[re: FASA's standard disclaimer for net.books]
> Well, doesn't this cover just about everything we send to the list? Might as
> well put the statement in my .sig, so it's there automatically.

I think that if our Fearless Leader just puts it in the FAQ
someplace then it will be enough. Remember -- a discussion-type mailing
list like this one is considered a conversation by most electronic copyright
x-burts. ^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Message no. 11
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:44:56 -0400
On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> That's not necessarilly true. A quote, properly attributed, comes under
> fair use.
>
Very true, Rat...and might I point out your own .sig? *grin*

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Message no. 12
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: FASA's Position on the Internet (fwd)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:43:55 -0400
>>>>> "J" == J D Falk <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM> writes:

J> On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
>> That's not necessarilly true. A quote, properly attributed, comes under
>> fair use.
J> Very true, Rat...and might I point out your own .sig? *grin*

And when the SNL crew complains I'll change it again.

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