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From:	Doctor Doom <jch8169@*******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:	ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:41:53 -0600

Message no. 1 Meine Kameraden:

Doubtless, quite a number of you are yet vexed over this recently
terminated (via administrative edict) thread as to the Children of
Darkness, and 'tis true that the perpetrators did exhibit some measure of
obliviousness to the various pleas/admonitions/castigations dispatched to
them seeking to bring about a conclusion of the thread; HOWEVER, THIS
SHOULD NOT BE PERCEIVED AS GIVING _ANYONE_ LICENSE FOR FLAME FESTS!!!

To implement an obscure colloquial phase: EVERYONE ... COOL OFF!!!

My submitting Boot(s)s to the Head(s) of the wayward participants was
an effort at pursuing the administrative duties incumbent upon me while
simultaneously maintaining a sense of humour regarding the situation.
Flame wars are no more welcome than extremely topic-deviant discussion,
and if they are not brought to an IMMEDIATE halt, summary executions
shall commence!

Furthermore, 'tis true that the Discussion Regarding Foreign
Languages on the List has now endured sufficient duration and should be
(un)ceremoniously dropped forthwith. Please note that this is NOT to be
interpreted that there is IN ANY WAY OR BY ANY FASHION a moratorium
placed upon non-English language elements to articles (and anyone
suggesting as such shall incur my WRATH for placing words in my mouth);
howe'er, if one chooses to do so, do anticipate a flurry of requests for
interpretation for the majority of (exclusively) English-speaking
subscriber membership.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled chaos, brought to you by
Shrill Petrol, with the new additive, GLC 9424046 -- after 6 p.m. 9424075.

________________ _______ _______ ____ ____
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\ | | | |---___ | ___---| | || || | attack, and
| | | | |_____/ | \_____| | || || | if in doubt
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | | | | | || || | ATTACK! <<<
"Iron hand in a | |___/ / \_______/ \_______/|____| |____| -=-=-=-=-=-
velvet glove." | / ||
-- Charles V |_______/ Dread Executor of Administrative Tasks for Hayden

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From:	Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:58:06 +0100

Message no. 2 Danke Herr Doktor :) *pun intended*

> howe'er, if one chooses to do so, do anticipate a flurry of requests for
> interpretation for the majority of (exclusively) English-speaking
> subscriber membership.

I know that this is once again off topic, but It would interest me to
know if this is really true. I mean are there really more exclusively
English-speaking subscribers on the list than multilingual ones?

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

GCS d>- H s+: !g p? !au a- w+ v-(?) C+++ UA++S++L+>++++ P-- (aren't we all?)
L+>+++ 3 E--- N+ K W(+)(---) M-- !V(--) -po+(---) Y+ t++ 5+ !j(-) R+++(--)
!G tv(++) b++ D+ B- e+ u++(-) h*(+) f+ r- n!(----) y?

From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:05:58 -0500

Message no. 3 On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Jani Fikouras wrote:

> I know that this is once again off topic, but It would interest me to
> know if this is really true. I mean are there really more exclusively
> English-speaking subscribers on the list than multilingual ones?

Like any statistics about a group of 'net users, it's all but
impossible to get a good count. However, it'd be safe to say that the
majority of listmembers are connected via sites which are registered as
being located in the United States.
Many more reliable statistics show that the majority of people in
the United States are purely English speakers, though a high percentage
have taken one to two years of Spanish or French in high school (and, I'm
sure, promptly forgotten it -- the statistics don't mention that part.)
So, statistically speaking, it's safe to say that the majority of
listmembers are monolingual.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "The problem was that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage |
| that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. That tends to |
| understate the hugeness of the object." --This Is Spinal Tap |
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From:	Caernarvon <jthomson@******.BATES.EDU>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:51:48 -0500

Message no. 4 (Some previous babble deleted)

> Many more reliable statistics show that the majority of people in
> the United States are purely English speakers, though a high percentage
> have taken one to two years of Spanish or French in high school (and, I'm
> sure, promptly forgotten it -- the statistics don't mention that part.)
> So, statistically speaking, it's safe to say that the majority of
> listmembers are monolingual.
>
> -------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
> | "The problem was that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage |
> | that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf. That tends to |
> | understate the hugeness of the object." --This Is Spinal Tap |
> --------========== http://www.cais.com/jdfalk/home.html ==========--------
>

Actually, it so happens that Spanish-speakers, whether exclusively
so or bilingual, are quickly overtaking the purely English-speaking
population.

Not to say that the same trend is occurring on the 'Net, but it's
something to consider.

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| "A mind stretched by new experience can | Josh Thomson |
| never go back to its old dimensions." | jthomson@******.bates.edu |
| ---Oliver Wendell Holmes | Your Friendly Neighborhood |
|_________________________________________| Illichian Anarchist |
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From:	"Stephanos J. Piperoglou" <sneakabout@***.FORTHNET.GR>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Sat, 18 Feb 1995 19:12:31 +0200

Message no. 5 On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, J.D. Falk wrote:

> Like any statistics about a group of 'net users, it's all but
> impossible to get a good count. However, it'd be safe to say that the
> majority of listmembers are connected via sites which are registered as
> being located in the United States.
> Many more reliable statistics show that the majority of people in
> the United States are purely English speakers, though a high percentage
> have taken one to two years of Spanish or French in high school (and, I'm
> sure, promptly forgotten it -- the statistics don't mention that part.)
> So, statistically speaking, it's safe to say that the majority of
> listmembers are monolingual.

I'm really sorry about this, but I just can't help myself: :)
Q: What do you call a person that speaks 3 languages?
A: Trilingual.
Q: What do you call a person that speaks 2 languages?
A: Bilingual.
Q: What do you call a person that only speaks 1 language?
A: American. |-D

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I like work; | Not yours; My own, truly,
It fascinates me. | Steve J. Piperoglou
I can sit and look|
at it for hours. | sneakabout@**********.hol.forthnet.gr (finger also)
- J.K. Jerome| spip@********.ath.forthnet.gr (mail only)
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From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Sat, 18 Feb 1995 17:54:56 -0500

Message no. 6 On Sat, 18 Feb 1995, Stephanos J. Piperoglou wrote:

> I'm really sorry about this, but I just can't help myself: :)
> Q: What do you call a person that speaks 3 languages?
> A: Trilingual.
> Q: What do you call a person that speaks 2 languages?
> A: Bilingual.
> Q: What do you call a person that only speaks 1 language?
> A: American. |-D

Y'know, I might be offended if it weren't so true. My problem
is, they didn't teach Yiddish at my high school. (Oy!)

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| "The human race as we know it is already extinct." |
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From:	pran r mukherjee <pran@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Mon, 20 Feb 1995 05:34:59 -0400

Message no. 7 On Sat, 18 Feb 1995, J.D. Falk wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Feb 1995, Stephanos J. Piperoglou wrote:
>
> > I'm really sorry about this, but I just can't help myself: :)
> > Q: What do you call a person that speaks 3 languages?
> > A: Trilingual.
> > Q: What do you call a person that speaks 2 languages?
> > A: Bilingual.
> > Q: What do you call a person that only speaks 1 language?
> > A: American. |-D
>
> Y'know, I might be offended if it weren't so true. My problem
> is, they didn't teach Yiddish at my high school. (Oy!)
>

Nor Japanese at mine. So I took it at college. *BIG SMILE!*

From:	Doctor Doom <jch8169@*******.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:	ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:03:08 -0600

Message no. 8 Meine Kameraden:

I find myself chagrined, dismayed, and disappointed at the
activity witnessed upon this list over the last twenty-four hours.

Certainly, chain letters are among if not perhaps THE most detested,
reviled, and abhorred manifestation of malignant correspondence e'er observed
upon the Internet. And it goes without saying that I, too, was decidedly
aggravated and vexed to mark the presence of just such a specimen of ASCII
in my mail buffer this afternoon,

HOWEVER...

Such textual transpirations should not be interpreted as favorable
omens for the commencement of conflagratory communication!

PAX, meine Kameraden.

Verily, no one who has transcended the tier of neophyte-hood upon the
network has any forbearance for being subjected to the inane chatter (not to
e'en address the seemingly incessant procession of headers preceding the
asinine article, which is much the mainstay of the bandwidth such documents
demand) of chain correspondence.

'Tis true, Fraeulein Greenapple probably /should/ have know better --
but we should and may not leap to the conclusion that she /did/ in absence of
corroborative evidence. We must therefore grant that not ALL are privy to
our experiences and accordingly are not as intimate with the particulars of
network etiquette.

I recognize the perennial legal precedent of ignorance of the law does
not constitute an excuse for its violation. But vicious and unsightly pursuit
of the law and its supposed ideals without respect for person or propriety is
inexcusable. Wanton flammage is inexcusable, despite what a few others would
hold true.

More bandwidth has been wasted by the stream of rancorous responses
incited by the appearance of the chain letter than the chain letter itself!
This fact belies the depictions many would make of Fraeulein Greenapple for
her categorical (and not insubstantial, I grant) faux pas as to cause the
aspersions of her wit and character to very likely be more fittingly be
shouldered by the authors of such remarks themselves than her.

Much of what was said was shameful, whatever her "crime."

The flames should HALT ... IMMEDIATELY.

________________ _______ _______ ____ ____
\ _____ \ / \ / \ / \/ \ >>> Attack,
\ | | | |---___ | ___---| | || || | attack, and
| | | | |_____/ | \_____| | || || | if in doubt
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | | | | | || || | ATTACK! <<<
"Iron hand in a | |___/ / \_______/ \_______/|____| |____| -=-=-=-=-=-
velvet glove." | / ||
-- Charles V |_______/ Dread Executor of Administrative Tasks for Hayden

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^

From:	Brother Equine <equine@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Tue, 7 Mar 1995 11:30:00 CST

Message no. 9 <lots of interesting stuff snipped>

Can we flame her in private email? Or maybe in person?! Yeah let her know=

how much a crazed SR player loves chain letter. WOO HOO! Can I can I?

The Great Brother Equine

PS maybe it should explain what a chain letter is in the FAQ. Some people=

may be unaware of this.

=

From:	"J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:01:02 -0500

Message no. 10 On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Brother Equine wrote:

> PS maybe it should explain what a chain letter is in the FAQ. Some people
> may be unaware of this.

This is explained in most of the basic Netiquette documents.
IMHO, any site that doesn't make those documents easily accessable (at
/least/ having news.announce.newusers the in the default .newsrc file) is
doing a disservice to their users.
I don't want to reproduce the Netiquette guides in the ShadowRN
FAQ. This is basic knowledge that everybody should know before they ever
post their first message.
Me, I learned it when I was 14 by calling BBS's and watching the
way other people conversed -- and what they got flamed for.

-------------========== J.D. Falk <jdfalk@****.com> =========-------------
| Keeper of the FAQ, ShadowRN and NERPS mailing lists at HEARN |
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From:	Bona na Croin <MHILLIARD@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:43:30 -0500

Message no. 11 J.D. Falk wrote:

> Me, I learned it when I was 14 by calling BBS's and watching the
>way other people conversed -- and what they got flamed for.

They had BBSs that far back?

=)
Ffelann the Undisciplined

From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:55:49 +0100

Message no. 12 > I don't want to reproduce the Netiquette guides in the ShadowRN
>FAQ. This is basic knowledge that everybody should know before they ever
>post their first message.

I beg to differ. It seems to me that many people who are first discovering
"the internet" have absolutely no knowledge of how they are expected to
behave by those who are already there (I also think most of those guys have
no business being here since they're only here because of the media hype
about "the net," but that's something else). Me, I certainly never saw
anything that even remotely resembles a netiquette guide when I first
started exploring the net (that was a few months before the whole hype
started over here)... I saw keep your eyes open and you'll learn fast enough.

Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
I got 25 bucks and a cracker -- do you think it's enough to get us there?
Geek Code v2.1: GS/AT/! -d+ H s:- !g p?(3) !au a>? w+(+++) v*(---) C+(++) U
P? !L !3 E? N++ K- W+ -po+(po) Y+ t(+) 5 !j R+(++)>+++$ tv+(++) b+@ D+(++)
B? e+ u+@ h! f--(?) !r(--)(*) n---->!n y?

From:	Brother Equine <equine@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: ADMIN: Flame War Warning
Date:	Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:58:00 CST

Message no. 13 > Me, I learned it when I was 14 by calling BBS's and watching the
>way other people conversed -- and what they got flamed for.
>
Same here...but there are a lot of newbies out there just now hooking up. =

Until they learn they will always do things that they are not suppose to do.

ED

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