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Message no. 1
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: [ADMIN] Re: Disney
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:45:28 -0600
At 22:09 23/04/98 EDT, you wrote:

>Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed looking into this. I am trying
>to find out exactly how "impervious" they are to the laws of Florida
>State.

Keep any discussion relevant to Shadowrun, and discuss it all you want.

>Now hopfully we can keep discussing this without having to
>fight off the off topic Gestapo.

I take offense at being called a (member of a) Gestapo. I'm sure most of
the rest of GridSec will, too. As will many of the listmembers if people
toss around Gestapo and the other words that tend to go with it. Were you
around the last time someone called another list member a "Spoiler Nazi"?

The Administration and GridSec is here for a reason -- this is a Shadowrun
list, and the primary discussion point should always be Shadowrun. Whether
or not the current discussion about Disney is appropriate or not isn't the
point. The point is that I do not appreciate being called names, demeaned,
or otherwise shit on for doing *my job*. It is my job to Admininstrate
this mailing list -- that includes helping people, answering posts and
other questions, and informing people and taking action when list policies
are violated.

If you don't like the way I do my work, feel free to complain to my boss --
Mark Imbracio <mark@******.net>. I'm sure my nearly two years of work on
this list with *zero* official complaints about my style of administrating
speaks for itself.

-Adam J
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader
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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Disney
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:43:28 +0100
Adam J said on 20:45/23 Apr 98...

> >Now hopfully we can keep discussing this without having to
> >fight off the off topic Gestapo.
>
> I take offense at being called a (member of a) Gestapo. I'm sure most of
> the rest of GridSec will, too.

I can't speak for the others, but I certainly do.

> As will many of the listmembers if people toss around Gestapo and the
> other words that tend to go with it. Were you around the last time
> someone called another list member a "Spoiler Nazi"?

I think it's time to say it again, for the benefit of the people who
joined the list since then: the word "Nazi," as well as associated terms
like "Gestapo," has a much stronger meaning in Europe than it apparently
does in North America. I'm sure our German listmembers will agree with me
here, as will those in countries occupied by Nazi-Germany during the war.
Now I'm not trying to prohibit anyone from using certain words (far from
it), but I am urging everyone to think about them before posting a
message...

> If you don't like the way I do my work, feel free to complain to my boss --
> Mark Imbracio <mark@******.net>. I'm sure my nearly two years of work on
> this list with *zero* official complaints about my style of administrating
> speaks for itself.

Or perhaps they're just so afraid of you they don't dare complain :)

(Yeah, right :)

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Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Disney
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:39:33 +0100
And verily, did Gurth hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Adam J said on 20:45/23 Apr 98...
|
|> >Now hopfully we can keep discussing this without having to
|> >fight off the off topic Gestapo.
|>
|> I take offense at being called a (member of a) Gestapo. I'm sure most of
|> the rest of GridSec will, too.
|
|I can't speak for the others, but I certainly do.

Well, coming from Hol^H^H^H The Netherlands, it's quote understandable...
As it would be for anyone from a country that was occupied....

Even I might...
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Message no. 4
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Disney
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:54:47 +0000
<snip good point about "Gestapo and Nazi">

<snip "Why GridSec exists">

> If you don't like the way I do my work, feel free to complain to my boss --
> Mark Imbracio <mark@******.net>. I'm sure my nearly two years of work on
> this list with *zero* official complaints about my style of administrating
> speaks for itself.

Granted, we have had a few list-members disappear, but NO complaints
:)

-=SwiftOne=-
It's pretty ballsy to write an OT message in response to an [Admin].
Not smart, but ballsy.

Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 5
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Disney
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:10:04 -0500
On 24 Apr 98 at 11:43, Gurth wrote:

> Adam J said on 20:45/23 Apr 98...
>
> > >Now hopfully we can keep discussing this without having to
> > >fight off the off topic Gestapo.
> >
> > I take offense at being called a (member of a) Gestapo. I'm sure most of
> > the rest of GridSec will, too.
>
> I can't speak for the others, but I certainly do.

As do I. Not so much at the word, but at the attitude of the person
that would us it. GridSec is here to help the list, not control it.


> Or perhaps they're just so afraid of you they don't dare complain :)
>
> (Yeah, right :)

Exactly. I think we have all been ignored on more than one occassion.
I just don't understand that...

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Message no. 6
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Disney
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:27:13 +0000
On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:43:28 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> said

> I think it's time to say it again, for the benefit of the people who
> joined the list since then: the word "Nazi," as well as associated terms
> like "Gestapo," has a much stronger meaning in Europe than it apparently
> does in North America. I'm sure our German listmembers will agree with me

I do ! And I don't need to lick a$$ lick Swift ;)
Keep up your good work GS (phuuh... what does that mean gr**nding
spells??? grenade scatter ??? ahhh its GridSec) ; )
--Raven

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