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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:58:17 +0100
Next to the file with the adventure dates I mentioned a few days
ago, I've also put up a file with the dates from the sourcebooks.
(Talk about spending a boring afternoon... :) All I'm missing are
the dates for four books, well three and a half:

* Germany Sourcebook: as I only have the German version I
don't know about the dates in the English one.
* London Sourcebook: I don't own it, so I can't add it to the list.
* Street Samurai Catalog: what are the dates in the 2nd edition?
I seem to recall they're in 2053/54, whereas my first edition has
dates in 2050 and '51.
* Tir na nOg: as for London SB.

Any assistance will be appreciated; take a look at the page to see
what dates I'm after.

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Message no. 2
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:13:39 -0500
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:58:17 +0100 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>Next to the file with the adventure dates I mentioned a few days
>ago, I've also put up a file with the dates from the sourcebooks.
>(Talk about spending a boring afternoon... :) All I'm missing are
>the dates for four books, well three and a half:

Lucky you, I have all 3 1/2 ;)

>* Germany Sourcebook: as I only have the German version I
>don't know about the dates in the English one.

3/NOV/52 (pg 143)
29/DEC/54 (pg 15)

>* London Sourcebook: I don't own it, so I can't add it to the list.

23/FEB/51 (pg 113 but might be a typo)
1/MAR/51 (pg 126 but might be a typo)
4/APR/51 (pg 129 but IS a typo)
1/NOV/51 (pg 7)
27/DEC/52 (pg 25 but probably is a typo)
Have to go over this again ... grrr ... will do later :)

>* Street Samurai Catalog: what are the dates in the 2nd edition?
>I seem to recall they're in 2053/54, whereas my first edition has
>dates in 2050 and '51.

Same as your 1rst Ed :)

>* Tir na nOg: as for London SB.

Ack, Don't have time, got to go, I'll finish up when I get back :)

>Any assistance will be appreciated; take a look at the page to see
>what dates I'm after.
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl -
<SNIP Sig>

Just looking through these 4 was a pain ... must have been a lot of work
to do that list of SBs ...

Btw, the link from your page to the geek code stuff is bad, the link is:
http://www.geekcode.com/.codes/geek3.1.html

:)

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"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 3
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:42:26 -0700
>* Tir na nOg: as for London SB.

You picked one that I happened to have brought to work today.

11-Nov-53 page 10
21-Nov-54 page 131

- Eclipse
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:27:56 +0100
Alfredo B Alves said on 12:13/24 Jun 98,...

> >* London Sourcebook: I don't own it, so I can't add it to the
list.
>
> 23/FEB/51 (pg 113 but might be a typo)
> 1/MAR/51 (pg 126 but might be a typo)
> 4/APR/51 (pg 129 but IS a typo)
> 1/NOV/51 (pg 7)
> 27/DEC/52 (pg 25 but probably is a typo)
> Have to go over this again ... grrr ... will do later :)

That would be a great help, as these are way too many dates :)

> >* Street Samurai Catalog
>
> Same as your 1rst Ed :)

Okay, good to have that confirmed. Something kept nagging in
the back of my mind that the dates had been altered for the
second edition update...

> Just looking through these 4 was a pain ... must have been a lot of work
> to do that list of SBs ...

There are a few tricks to it, mainly to only look at the month -- for
example, the latest date youv'e seen so far is 17 July. So you just
look at the month to see if it says "7" or higher, and if it does,
you check the whole date. If it's 6 or less, NEXT.

Some books are easier to do than others, BTW. Shadowtech is the
easiest, because the first date in the book is the earliest and the
last is the latest :) Books like the SSC or Paranormal Animals are
also fairly easy as the dates are all in the same place and in
chronological order; other sourcebooks are hard, because you
need to look all over the pages to find each date.

> Btw, the link from your page to the geek code stuff is bad, the link is:
> http://www.geekcode.com/.codes/geek3.1.html

Hey, do you expect me to check the links on my page every week
to see if they're still good? I leave that to people like you :)

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Message no. 5
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:51:42 +0000
On 24 Jun 98 at 11:58, Gurth wrote:

> Next to the file with the adventure dates I mentioned a few days
> ago, I've also put up a file with the dates from the sourcebooks.
> (Talk about spending a boring afternoon... :) All I'm missing are
> the dates for four books, well three and a half:

My morning isn't really living up to it's potential, and since the
boys from Dell are late replacing my monitor (what's new) I do have
some extra time :)

> * Germany Sourcebook: as I only have the German version I
> don't know about the dates in the English one.

It starts in (11-18-53) and funnily enough somewhere in the middle
we hit a couple of guys who have a year 2055 problem since they reply
to a message from (04-NOV-54) and their time stamp is from
2052! not the only time this happens. The NOV date is about the
latest posting in the book AFAIK.

> * London Sourcebook: I don't own it, so I can't add it to the list.

1-NOV-51 to 14-JUN-52 (a more realistic spread of dates I think)

> * Street Samurai Catalog: what are the dates in the 2nd edition?

10-07-50 to 01-02-51 (second ed has the same dates I guess)

> * Tir na nOg: as for London SB.

11-NOV 53 to 21-NOV 54

I didn't check very carefully, but I think this is fairly close to
the mark.
Message no. 6
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:50:30 +0000
Darn, didn't check to carefully I see now, updated dates follow:

> > * Germany Sourcebook: as I only have the German version I
> > don't know about the dates in the English one.

Last one is 29-DEC-54 a sysop addendum in which (s)he explains that
he changed the date stamps. The first one is a mess, I think the only
realistic starting date is 11-18-53, but there are two groups of
messages from 3-NOV-52. But they don't make any sense since they
added their comments a full year before the others did, plus they are
listed behind messages from 54.

> > * London Sourcebook: I don't own it, so I can't add it to the list.
>
Well since in the beginning two sysop dudes both open and close the
file the dates must be between
1-NOV-51 and 7-AUG-52
there are later and earlier dates in the book as Alfredo mentioned
but they don't make any sense.

> > * Street Samurai Catalog: what are the dates in the 2nd edition?
> > * Tir na nOg: as for London SB.

At least I got those two right :)

BTW am I the only one who thinks that those dates are a bit strange?
There are people that are replying a year later (talk about sloppy
e-mail management) and in general there are weeks and months going by
without anyone saying anything. If current day e-mail lists are even
slightly comparable most comments would be made in the first week
after publication and then some more dripping in in the first month,
but after that its probably over.
There are some funny examples of low-lifes in the books, people who
wait months for a comment and then reply within five minutes. I can
just see them with seven frames active to spot someone's name popping
up so they can slag him :).
Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:31:56 +0100
Martin Steffens said on 11:50/25 Jun 98,...

> Darn, didn't check to carefully I see now, updated dates follow:

Okay, it looks like I now have all the dates. Thanks to everyone
involved, and I'll add them to the file ASAP.

> > > * Germany Sourcebook
>
> Last one is 29-DEC-54 a sysop addendum in which (s)he explains that
> he changed the date stamps. The first one is a mess, I think the only
> realistic starting date is 11-18-53, but there are two groups of
> messages from 3-NOV-52. But they don't make any sense since they
> added their comments a full year before the others did, plus they are
> listed behind messages from 54.

In that case I assume they're typos. This happens in a few other
books as well (look at the first page of the opening chapter in
Fields of Fire for an example).

> BTW am I the only one who thinks that those dates are a bit strange?
> There are people that are replying a year later (talk about sloppy
> e-mail management) and in general there are weeks and months going by
> without anyone saying anything.

The explanation is really simple: the book's author typed
whatever date looked good at the time :)

> If current day e-mail lists are even
> slightly comparable most comments would be made in the first week
> after publication and then some more dripping in in the first month,
> but after that its probably over.

Unless the text is posted over a longer period of time, like a
chapter today, another one in three weeks time, and so on. That
could cause people to take another look at a file the've already
added their comments to, and spot replies to which they feel the
need to reply themselves.

> There are some funny examples of low-lifes in the books, people who
> wait months for a comment and then reply within five minutes. I can
> just see them with seven frames active to spot someone's name popping
> up so they can slag him :).

What, like Wolfman and The Smiling Bandit? :)

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Message no. 8
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Adventure dates just once more...
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:03:34 +0000
On 25 Jun 98 at 20:31, Gurth wrote:

> > There are some funny examples of low-lifes in the books, people who
> > wait months for a comment and then reply within five minutes. I can
> > just see them with seven frames active to spot someone's name popping
> > up so they can slag him :).
>
> What, like Wolfman and The Smiling Bandit? :)

Well yeah, that's one of the best examples, or the Smiling Bandit and
KAM. I was happy to see that the Bandit is still alive in T:SH. Of
course he was talking about a Universal Omnitech invention, and I
think I know how he got his info..

but there's the one in the Germany book where Krupp is making some
kinda racist comment on p. 127 and a year later Sigmund replies that
he has been looking for him and threatens to kill him. No wonder he
couldn't find him before if it takes him a year to spot a comment...
And of course Whisper and Steel Lynx in FoF.


Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie

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