| From: | Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US> |
|---|---|
| Subject: | Re: Ah the large bore shotgun and more... |
| Date: | Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:22:48 -0600 |
fired
> > a gas operated shotgun, a pump shotgun, and *many* kinds of assault
> > weapons (I'm from the USA and we all have thoughsands of guns)
>
> For the most part, I'm glad guns are hard to come by here (unless you
have
> the right criminal connections, of course), but OTOH I would like to give
> some of them a try just once... Mostly every time I read messages from
> Americans talking about what guns they own :)
Ok I'll help propagate the stereotype:
I own a Sig-Sauer P226, 9mm pistol (I loathe pistols, but needed one for
a job... I enjoy this gun. And I have a Mossberg 500A Persuader. It's
a 12 guage pump shotgun with a 20" barrel, and a pistol grip. I love
that gun. I use it for home defense...
> > and I think that the recoil of a gas operated shotgun is less that that
> > of a 7.62mm assault rifle like, say, the FN-FAL.
>
> However, from a rules point of view, it's a bit weird that a shotgun
> suddenly has more recoil when you fire it FA than when it's in SA mode.
> Doubling uncompensated recoil for _all_ shots, regardless of the firing
> mode, sounds much more reasonable to me.
And here we disagree. It might be reasonable, but I feel the former
rule (doubling FA but not SA) is *much* more realistic. The basis
for my opinion is that, while in the military, I had the opportunity
to fire SA and FA weapons. I could fire SA very quickly and
relatively accurately, but on FA, the first round was accurate,
but the speed of the FA cycling gave me little ability to compensate.
Now, when I say quickly fired SA, I mean about 2-4 rounds per second,
maybe a bit faster at shorter ranges (<25m). Autofire rates are
around 12-20 rounds/sec or so for small calibre weapons, and
5-12 rounds/sec for larger calibre ones. For example, one of
my favorite automatic weapons, the Attchison(sp) Roadstopper,
a 12 guage automatic shotgun (28 round drum magazine), fires
8 rounds/sec. (Imagine 8 rounds of 3"magnum, 000 Buckshot
flying down range at you... or 3" magnum APDS, .50 calibre,
hardened zinc/steel slugs...
But I digress... I have always felt that the doubling of recoil for
full auto very accurately reflected the transition from 4 rounds/sec
to 12... That's my opinion. Hopefully, it's a well considered one.
I do, however, have a firearms bitch to pitch to you all. Why
is it that the ranges for these weapons are so unrealistically
short? My biggest gripe is with rifles, especially sniper rifles.
Having been a sniper, I *know* that any decent sniper weapon
can hit a man with ease out to about 1300 meters, and I
have personally fired a .50 calibre sniper rifle and hit a man
sized target at 2000 meters which is not uncommon for a
good shot.
The main counter to my arguement of reality seems to
have been things like: "Well, if realistic ranges were used,
rifles would dominate the battlefield..." HELLO!!! Isn't
that the way things are? and: "If realistic ranges were
used, people would all try to carry rifles..." again, a good
GM won't let people wander the streets with weapons
like that unmolested...
So I ask you, what was FASA thinking when they
decided that they didn't care about this aspect of
reality?
BTW, the firearms rules are the main reason that I
play mages who carry no guns...
Anyway, thanks for listening
