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Message no. 1
From: Keith Johnson <jrsnyder@********.WISC.EDU>
Subject: All Praises
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 07:06:05 -0600
All praises to Damion and Gurth!!!

They have excellent knowledge and perspective!!!

They understand questions, and give interesting advice!!!

I hereby nominate both these people for the title

of Shadowrun Guru...

Keith

who hopes to be a guru too someday
Message no. 2
From: Eve Forward <lutra@******.COM>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 15:13:02 -0800
>I hereby nominate both these people for the title

They sure post a lot, I'll admit that.

-E
Message no. 3
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:08:00 -0500
On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Eve Forward wrote:

> >I hereby nominate both these people for the title
>
> They sure post a lot, I'll admit that.

IMHO, posting a lot shouldn't get you a title (though it's nice
that, unlike most people who've been in the habit of posting a lot, most
of their messages are on-topic.)
For y'all's information and edification, the last title given out
was list.member.grumpy -- and it's not especially official. AFAIK, the
last one which could be considered official was DEATH.

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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:58:07 +0100
Keith Johnson:

>All praises to Damion and Gurth!!!
[snip]
>I hereby nominate both these people for the title
>of Shadowrun Guru...

Thanks for the nomination :)

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Eve Forward:

>They sure post a lot, I'll admit that.

That's the sort of thing you get up to if you've got nothing better (read:
meaningful) to do :) At least, that goes for me -- I can't speak for Damion
of course...

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J.D. Falk:

> IMHO, posting a lot shouldn't get you a title

Maybe "list.bandwidth.waster"? Or is that reserved for people with
ridiculously long .sigs who quote a lot and say very little themselves (he
said without naming any names :)?

>(though it's nice
>that, unlike most people who've been in the habit of posting a lot, most
>of their messages are on-topic.)

Are they? *surprised look* I thought I blathered on about nothing in
particular a lot. See? I'm doing it again already :)

> For y'all's information and edification, the last title given out
>was list.member.grumpy -- and it's not especially official. AFAIK, the
>last one which could be considered official was DEATH.

Hey Damion, what do you say we call ourselves "Unofficial Shadowrun Guru"
then, unless maybe someone wants to make it official :)


Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
I know what you think of me you never shut up
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Unofficially Nominated As Shadowrun Guru :)
Message no. 5
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:33:11 +1000
Keith Johnson writes:

> I hereby nominate both these people for the title
>
> of Shadowrun Guru...

Don't say that! We'll never be able to get our heads into the computer lab
to check our mail! <grin>

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J.D. Falk writes:

> IMHO, posting a lot shouldn't get you a title (though it's nice
> that, unlike most people who've been in the habit of posting a lot, most
> of their messages are on-topic.)

I wholeheartedly agree, and I'm glad you think I keep to the topic.

I will say one thing though, I post a lot because I have no life :-) (no,
seriously - check my geek code for details :-) <grin>). And while I have
pretty good SR rules and game world/history knowledge, I tend to be rather
lacking on the real world experience. This I find tends to be a bit of a
hassle when GMing. I can run the rules, and run the differences between our
world and the SR world pretty well, I can recall neccessary theoretical and
background knowledge, but I have a tad of a problem when it comes to
actually relating anything beyond those across to my players (such as
interpersonal relationships, or NPC physcology, or the tactical methods
employed by SWAT teams, or the expected ettiquete at pubs [I don't drink,
and so consiously avoid the places], even something like standard
police/ambulance/fire responses to emergencies I have to carefully think
about/research/make up on the fly). But that's what comes with being a geek
I suppose :-) <big geeky grin>. Fortunatley for me FASA puts a fair amount
of useful material for societies outcasts like me into their products, so I
can usually scrape by :-). Failing that, it is lucky most of the people I
play with wouldn't be all that able to pick me out as incorrect on anything
I say (again, see my geek code) [which is why I was a bit concerned about my
friend who joined the army - as I would be lacking the tactics and training
he had].

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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Message no. 6
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 00:51:06 +1000
Gurth writes:

> Hey Damion, what do you say we call ourselves "Unofficial Shadowrun Guru"
> then, unless maybe someone wants to make it official :)

I considered adding "Nominee for the title of _Shadowrun Guru_" as an extra
line between my name and my Geek Code, but it made my .sig too long, and
there is no sin greater than having a too long .sig on this mailing list
(well, maybe severely off topic postings). So I replaced the "Uni of
Wollongong" bit instead.

Well, since I've just committed what might be considered the worst possible
sin (ie a rather off topic posting), I'd better make amends and actually
include something relevant.

In the Grimything, on page 121 it has a Drain Code modifier for "Damaging
Manipulation is Sustained". But on page 118, under the information on
Sustained Spells, it says that "Combat spells and damaging manipulation
spells, those that channel and focus significant amounts of lethal energy in
a split second, cannot be sustained." A little bit of a contradiction neh?

--
Damion Milliken Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 12:12:24 +0100
>I will say one thing though, I post a lot because I have no life :-) (no,
>seriously - check my geek code for details :-) <grin>).

Then I _could_ speak for you :)

>And while I have
>pretty good SR rules and game world/history knowledge, I tend to be rather
>lacking on the real world experience.
[inexperience deleted]

Do like I do: read a lot. Watch tv a lot. It looks like I have just as much
hands-on experience with real life as you do, but I think I do have a fair
idea of what is going on out there...


Gurth@******.nl - Gurth@***.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Our little group has always been and always will until the end
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One of Two Unofficial Shadowrun Gurus :)
Message no. 8
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 14:06:02 +0100
> I will say one thing though, I post a lot because I have no life :-) (no,

Hear hear :) BTW I'll get a life when you tell me where to ftp it from :)

> seriously - check my geek code for details :-) <grin>). And while I have
> pretty good SR rules and game world/history knowledge, I tend to be rather
> lacking on the real world experience. This I find tends to be a bit of a
> hassle when GMing. I can run the rules, and run the differences between our
> world and the SR world pretty well, I can recall neccessary theoretical and
> background knowledge, but I have a tad of a problem when it comes to
> actually relating anything beyond those across to my players (such as
> interpersonal relationships, or NPC physcology, or the tactical methods

I know what you mean, what I do is just warn the mage that an XXX rate
initiate crosses the road to get to the other side :) This usually keeps
them baffled (pondering the ramification of this event :) for long enough
to forget the previous scene :)

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

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Message no. 9
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 14:34:18 +0100
> In the Grimything, on page 121 it has a Drain Code modifier for "Damaging
> Manipulation is Sustained". But on page 118, under the information on
> Sustained Spells, it says that "Combat spells and damaging manipulation
> spells, those that channel and focus significant amounts of lethal energy in
> a split second, cannot be sustained." A little bit of a contradiction neh?

Yes and to make things worse, check out the anchoring section. It explisitly
states that its possible to anchor sustained damaging manipulations :) It
even gives guidelines for the effects such an anchoring will have on the weapon.
I believe that damaging manipulations are not only allowed but on the whole
pretty balanced spells.

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

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Message no. 10
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 11:31:54 +1000
Jani Fikouras writes:

> Hear hear :) BTW I'll get a life when you tell me where to ftp it from :)

<giggle> Good one, I like it. :-)

> I know what you mean, what I do is just warn the mage that an XXX rate
> initiate crosses the road to get to the other side :) This usually keeps
> them baffled (pondering the ramification of this event :) for long enough
> to forget the previous scene :)

Hey, not a bad idea! Hang on, on second thoughts. Let me tell a little
story. In a game I ran a few months ago, the players needed to get some
information out of a certain corporate employee. So they decided to kidnap
his wife. Now, being the supurb tacticians they are, they didn't think this
through terribly well, and they chose to hijack the mini-van she was going
to work in. This, of course, was at peak hour traffic in the central
downtown district. Pulling up next to the van at a set of traffic lights,
they opened fire, shot the driver, and grabbed her, before lobbing a genade
into the van. This, obviously enough, caused a minor traffic hazard, and the
runners speedy getaway car (a SAAB Dynamit) turned out to be less than useful
after they tarveled a little less than a block and found gridlocked traffic.
Now, they decided that they needed to get out, and do it fast, so, up onto
the footpath, run down a few pedestrians, and try using the footpatyh as a
road. This worked fine for about a block, until the intersection. Anyway,
suffice to say that the players actions turned a minor kidnapping into a
full scale riot (partly engineered by me in order to give them some cover to
escape so that they didn't get cracked down on HARD by the cops). Well, OK,
the riot took up most of the first session we played. Next time we got
together, they players were hiding out with their captive in a safehouse
they'd had organised for them. And I gave them a TV report on the situation
as it stood. In an attempt to create the appropriate atmoshphere, I off
handedly mentioned that a couple of the corporations in the middle of the
hottest spot were hiring on mercenaries to protect their holdings for the
duration of any unrest. Whamo, the runners decided to screw the adventure
they were doing, and go sign on up as mercs. True, that session was great
fun, but it all began with a reference to something completely unnasociated
with the run, such as a level XXX initiate corssing the road...

But I still think it's a cool idea, I'll just have to make sure I'm careful
not to let the runners get too far off track.

--
Damion Milliken Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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Message no. 11
From: Paul Finch <pfinch@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 01:12:20 -0700
On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Eve Forward wrote:

> >I hereby nominate both these people for the title
>
> They sure post a lot, I'll admit that.

Im closing the gap lass!:) Hows my .Sig now?
>
> -E
>
Edge

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They are infinitely patient, prefering to minimize risks to themelves and
suffer a thousand defeats if they gain the final victory. Still, they are
diabolically clever, and devious in the extream. If they fail militarily,
they infiltrate and corrupt. Now they are on the march once more, and the
more they are set back, the more determined, devious and dangerous they
become. Curr ahee
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Peterson (Paul Finch) Edge | US Army Ret. 1/506th Inf (Mtr. Lt.)
EMT-Paramedic/BSN Wanna-be and Will-Be! Self Empowered Gun Nut
Message no. 12
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:06:04 +0200
> Im closing the gap lass!:) Hows my .Sig now?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> They are infinitely patient, prefering to minimize risks to themelves and
> suffer a thousand defeats if they gain the final victory. Still, they are
> diabolically clever, and devious in the extream. If they fail militarily,
> they infiltrate and corrupt. Now they are on the march once more, and the
> more they are set back, the more determined, devious and dangerous they
> become. Curr ahee
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Scott Peterson (Paul Finch) Edge | US Army Ret. 1/506th Inf (Mtr. Lt.)
> EMT-Paramedic/BSN Wanna-be and Will-Be! Self Empowered Gun Nut

Long

--
"Believe in Angels." -- The Crow

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Message no. 13
From: Paul Finch <pfinch@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: All Praises
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:14:15 -0700
On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Jani Fikouras wrote:

> > Im closing the gap lass!:) Hows my .Sig now?
>
> Long

The message was more pointedly directed to Eve. She ah... gave me some
constructive crit on my spelling!:)

Edge

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They are infinitely patient, prefering to minimize risks to themelves and
suffer a thousand defeats if they gain the final victory. Still, they are
diabolically clever, and devious in the extream. If they fail militarily,
they infiltrate and corrupt. Now they are on the march once more, and the
more they are set back, the more determined, devious and dangerous they
become. Curr ahee
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Peterson (Paul Finch) Edge | US Army Ret. 1/506th Inf (Mtr. Lt.)
EMT-Paramedic/BSN Wanna-be and Will-Be! Self Empowered Gun Nut

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