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Message no. 1
From: Jan Jaap van Poelgeest aka nevermelt jjp@******.nl
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:06:03 +0200
> >What gives you the idea that ghouls like their meat rotting? Maybe
yours
> >do, and if they've gone feral they don't really care, but in general,
in my
> >game at least, if they've retained their intelligence, they want
their food
> >fresh, just like the rest of them. Just because they eat it raw
doesn't
> >mean that they don't want it fresh.

Yeah, raw 'n bloody is the way to go... although (scroll doowwnnnn).

> Hmm.. Okay, have you ever had a really good steak? Those steaks
> are 'aged' 21+ days - I am think of an angus quality beef or
> better. I am thinking along those lines.

Ooooh, check out http://www.stinkymeat.net I believe the steak there is
Angus quality beef too :)

> > Maybe rotten human flesh tastes better than the fresh stuff. There
are a lot
> > of those European sausage things that actually go mouldy before
they're
> > considered to taste any good. Partial decomposition would be a good
> > alternative for seasoning and tenderising if you have to eat it raw.
> > Intelligence doesn't come into it.

Umm, perhaps you're thinking of French cheese? :). Actually, I can't
think of that *many* "sausage things" to be found on this continent that
conform to the conditions you describe, but I might be mistaken.

> There are also (according to a friend reading over my shoulder)
> certain medieval practices by which game birds were left outside
> to 'age'.

It's not just a medieval practice, actually, to best prepare a hare, one
should leave it hanging (after shooting it) in the cellar until the skin
starts to feel loose to the touch and as if it is about to come off. It
can be done with other types of meat as well, though it is only
considered appropriate if the meat comes from animals dwelling in the
wild. The process is called "nobling" the meat (at least, that is a
literal translation from the Dutch term :). Take note, by the way, that
the meat is still cooked after being thus "aged".

Whether ghouls would like their meat stinky remains to be seen though...
perhaps it just comes down to personal taste... but then, perhaps some
ghouls would like their meat salted, dried or as jerky... hmm... does
anyone else get the idea for this "meat fabric" where relatively
ordinary-looking sausages and other raw meat products are transported to
several select wealthy individuals across the globe?


Jan Jaap van Poelgeest aka nevermelt, Looking For A Snack.
Message no. 2
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:24:38 GMT
>From: "Jan Jaap van Poelgeest aka nevermelt" <jjp@******.nl>
>It's not just a medieval practice, actually, to best prepare a hare, one
>should leave it hanging (after shooting it) in the cellar until the skin
>starts to feel loose to the touch and as if it is about to come off. It
>can be done with other types of meat as well, though it is only
>considered appropriate if the meat comes from animals dwelling in the
>wild. The process is called "nobling" the meat (at least, that is a
>literal translation from the Dutch term :). Take note, by the way, that
>the meat is still cooked after being thus "aged".

Where do these people come from?

Anyhow, I believe that HMHVV makes it impossible for victims to hold real
food down so I don't know how ghouls would take ot sauces, or is that just
vampires?

Phil
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Message no. 3
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:37:18 -0500
:Anyhow, I believe that HMHVV makes it impossible for victims to hold real
:food down so I don't know how ghouls would take ot sauces, or is that just
:vampires?
:
:Phil

I think that's just vampires from "V:TM:, actually. SR vampires can
pass for human, with the exception of being severely allergic to sunlight.
Although they (and ghouls) have dietary REQUIREMENTS, I don't think they
have any dietary RESTRICTIONS.

Mongoose

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Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:44:45 -0500
On Fri, 12 May 2000 19:37:18 -0500 "Sebastian Wiers"
<m0ng005e@*********.com> writes:
<SNIP>
> I think that's just vampires from "V:TM:, actually. SR vampires
> can
> pass for human, with the exception of being severely allergic to
> sunlight.
> Although they (and ghouls) have dietary REQUIREMENTS, I don't think
> they
> have any dietary RESTRICTIONS.

Nope. The Sr2 BBB description specifically stated that they could eat but
then would vomit it back up.

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Message no. 5
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:43:06 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )


>On Fri, 12 May 2000 19:37:18 -0500 "Sebastian Wiers"
><m0ng005e@*********.com> writes:
><SNIP>
>> I think that's just vampires from "V:TM:, actually. SR vampires
>> can
>> pass for human, with the exception of being severely allergic to
>> sunlight.
>> Although they (and ghouls) have dietary REQUIREMENTS, I don't think
>> they
>> have any dietary RESTRICTIONS.
>
>Nope. The Sr2 BBB description specifically stated that they could eat but
>then would vomit it back up.
>
>--
>D. Ghost


Yes but that is just because they want to stay beautiful :?)
Message no. 6
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 02:26:40 -0500
On Sat, 13 May 2000 15:43:06 +1000 "Simon and Fiona"
<sfuller@******.com.au> writes:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>
<SNIP>
> >Nope. The Sr2 BBB description specifically stated that they could
> eat but
> >then would vomit it back up.

> Yes but that is just because they want to stay beautiful :?)

So, are you saying there might be vampires on Kate M--err--Emma's Hurling
Team? ;)

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Message no. 7
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:57:53 GMT
>From: "Sebastian Wiers" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
> I think that's just vampires from "V:TM:, actually. SR vampires can
>pass for human, with the exception of being severely allergic to sunlight.
>Although they (and ghouls) have dietary REQUIREMENTS, I don't think they
>have any dietary RESTRICTIONS.

(What a time to have lent out Critters).

I'm pretty sure that in the vampire descriptions from Critters, vampires
find it impossible to injest anything but...do SR vampires actually drink
blood? As I reacall from MM, essence=grey matter, not blood.

Phil
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Message no. 8
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 09:02:15 GMT
>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
> >Nope. The Sr2 BBB description specifically stated that they could eat but
> >then would vomit it back up.
> >
> >--
> >D. Ghost
>
>
>Yes but that is just because they want to stay beautiful :?)

Now is that a Manics related line or a complete accident (the Manic's
(former) guitarist was buliemic and they have a song called Stay Beautiful).
Sorry, just ignore me.

Phil
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Message no. 9
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:26:42 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Smith <phil_urbanhell@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )


>
>
>
>>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>> >Nope. The Sr2 BBB description specifically stated that they could eat
but
>> >then would vomit it back up.
>> >
>> >--
>> >D. Ghost
>>
>>
>>Yes but that is just because they want to stay beautiful :?)
>
>Now is that a Manics related line or a complete accident (the Manic's
>(former) guitarist was buliemic and they have a song called Stay
Beautiful).
> Sorry, just ignore me.
>
>Phil


OK, I will.



Just kidding, no, never heard of them. Complete accident.
Message no. 10
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:38:00 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Smith <phil_urbanhell@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )


>I'm pretty sure that in the vampire descriptions from Critters, vampires
>find it impossible to injest anything but...do SR vampires actually drink
>blood? As I reacall from MM, essence=grey matter, not blood.
>
>Phil


As I understand it, they get some protein from the blood, but it really is
just a symbolism for stealing the life of the victim (essence). According to
the SR2 description, (and I quote) The vampire consumes the blood of the
living to survive, but also must consume psychic energy along with the
blood.
On another subject, I also noticed under the Banshee listing a
paranaturalist called Charles Forte. I'm sure the real Charles Fort would
have prefered the term Cryptozoologist. And he wasn't one :?)
Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:01:48 -0500
From: Phil Smith
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 2:25 PM

> Anyhow, I believe that HMHVV makes it impossible for victims to hold
> real food down so I don't know how ghouls would take ot sauces, or is
> that just vampires?

Just vampires, and probably nosferatu. Since I hold that ghouls aren't
really victims of HMHVV, it's kind of a moot issue.

Incidentally, some months ago I asked the DLOH about things like this. As
long as the meat is raw, they can eat with it what they will. (I had
specifically asked whether a ghoul could, if he was so inclined, have a
filet of elf sandwich; I was worried about the bread.)

--
Patrick E. Goodman
remo@***.net
"I'm going to tell you something cool." -- Gene Wolfe
Message no. 12
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:12:03 -0500
From: Phil Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:58 AM

> I'm pretty sure that in the vampire descriptions from Critters,
> vampires find it impossible to injest anything but...do SR vampires
> actually drink blood? As I reacall from MM, essence=grey matter,
> not blood.

The definition from MM is crap; Essence is life-force, pure and simple, the
integrity of your aural template.

And yes, vampires in SR do drink blood. While Critters is not close at
hand, I believe they've got a dietary requirement for it.

--
Patrick E. Goodman
remo@***.net
"I'm going to tell you something cool." -- Gene Wolfe
Message no. 13
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:26:15 GMT
>From: "Patrick Goodman" <remo@***.net>
>Incidentally, some months ago I asked the DLOH about things like this.

DLOH? My I feel ignorant, and whilst I'm embarasing myself, what does Btw
stand for?

As
>long as the meat is raw, they can eat with it what they will. (I had
>specifically asked whether a ghoul could, if he was so inclined, have a
>filet of elf sandwich; I was worried about the bread.)

Ah elves; the other white meat

Phil
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Message no. 14
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:47:15 -0500
From: Phil Smith
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 12:26 PM

> >Incidentally, some months ago I asked the DLOH about things like this.
>
> DLOH? My I feel ignorant, and whilst I'm embarasing myself, what
> does Btw stand for?

DLOH == Dark Lord On High, a title originally given to Tom Dowd as Line
Developer of Shadowrun, and later passed to Mike Mulvihill. (Carl Sargent,
thankfully, wasn't there long enough for anyone to give him the title.)

BTW == By The Way.

--
Patrick E. Goodman
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Message no. 15
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: [almost OT] Ghoul Taste (was: 2 Storylines )
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:06:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > >Nope. The Sr2 BBB description specifically stated
that they could eat but then would vomit it back up.
>
> > Yes but that is just because they want to stay
beautiful :?)
>
> So, are you saying there might be vampires on Kate
M--err--Emma's Hurling Team? ;)
> D. Ghost

*Doc' sighs...

"Are you going to MAKE me hurt you, Al?"*


====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'booner, aka Doc' Vader)

S.S. f. P.S.C. & D.J.

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