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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!
Date: Sun Jun 10 22:50:01 2001
I'm talking at the K12 level, not college.

We know most of the universities are around, but what about public
schools? IRL, maybe 90% of kids in the US go to public school. What's
happened to it - educationally, socially, and otherwise - over the next 60
years?

John
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!
Date: Mon Jun 11 02:05:01 2001
I'm talking at the K12 level, not college.

We know most of the universities are around, but what about public
schools? IRL, maybe 90% of kids in the US go to public school. What's
happened to it - educationally, socially, and otherwise - over the next 60
years?

John

Tell Me, do you honestly think it's gotten any better?
All kidding aside, It would probably be affected on where you live.
Redmond schools are going to be a lot worse then Everett.
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wally the Intrepid)
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!
Date: Mon Jun 11 02:30:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: <DemonPenta@***.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:55 PM
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!


> I'm talking at the K12 level, not college.
>
> We know most of the universities are around, but what about public
> schools? IRL, maybe 90% of kids in the US go to public school. What's
> happened to it - educationally, socially, and otherwise - over the next 60
> years?
>
> John


OH!!! I was just discussing this the other day with an excellent
Shadowrun resource I have, via ICQ. I had meant to post them, THANKS John! I
have some ideas. Here, let me cut & paste what I wrote in ICQ, with some
minor editing...

In the world of Shadowrun, how much is Matrix classrooms used over actual
live classrooms, or is the live thing still the way kids go to school?

I'd say that the Matrix schools have replaced public schooling completely,
since its a lot cheaper to replace a bunch of broken trode sets or datalines
than maintain even a single school structure.

Of course private schools still exist, for those who can afford them, and
arcology dwellers also have access to them (for properly raising a good,
corporate system, natch.)

This would account to a high degree for the, uh, "lack of social graces"
that many people in the world of Shadowrun have, since getting Matrix
training, their social training one gets at a real school, interracting with
live people, is at a minimum. The Matrix equivalent just doesn't cut it.

Ahh, but see, those so-called "public schools [for middle-class families]"
would actually now be private schools, since being farmed out to the private
sector. I'm sure corps bid on running various school districts, to raise
children in "their way of thinking".

Perhaps [corps operating schools is destined for trouble], but think of the
opportunity for profit in creating consumers of the future, tilted towards
their products. Not to mention potential employees who start with a degree
of loyalty.

The whole concept just appeals to my cyberpunk sense of megacorporate
takeover. heh heh heh

The idea of kids trudging to school through some of the most dangerous
neighborhoods certainly must not appeal to many parents.
It'd be cheaper for those without Matrix hookups to apply for Matrix
schooling for their children, and receiving their trode sets or what's
required in the mail.

So! Whaddya think o' THAT? ...

Ma: "JUNIOORR!! Time ta slot in fer schoool!"
Giganto Junior: "Aww MAAA, do I haveta? I mean, Green Johnny and da
others were gonna have a headbutting contest and I always win dose!"
Ma [grabbing horn]: "Now you listen to ME young man! I will NOT have you
neglecting your edjumacashun! Now you slot in and LISTEN to yer teecher, or
its the BLACK IC fer ya!!"
Jr.: "AAAHHHH! Ok man, OK!! JEEZ! You know da last time dey gave me da
Black IC Paddlin' I couldn't stop droolin' fer a month... I'm goin', I'm
GOIN'!" *snikt*

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wally the Intrepid)
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!
Date: Mon Jun 11 02:45:01 2001
> Of course private schools still exist, for those who can afford them, and
> arcology dwellers also have access to them (for properly raising a good,
> corporate system, natch.)

Uh, that should be "...corporate citizen...", not, "system",
sorry.
Don't know how that got past me, twice.

If that read strangely, that's because I recounted to you my side of a
conversation. The bracketed parts basically summed what my esteemed Contact
had to say.

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Graht)
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!
Date: Mon Jun 11 11:15:01 2001
At 10:55 PM 6/10/2001 -0400, DemonPenta@***.com wrote:
>I'm talking at the K12 level, not college.
>
> We know most of the universities are around, but what about public
>schools? IRL, maybe 90% of kids in the US go to public school. What's
>happened to it - educationally, socially, and otherwise - over the next 60
>years?

In my campaign there are very, very few schools that students attend
physically.

Public schools are run via the matrix. Students from poor families use
interactive TV. Students from better off families attend via tri-vid or trods.

Corporate students attend school by jacking in to the corporate system and
using their login and password to gain access to a virtual classroom.

Catholic schools, and some other religious schools, still teach their
students in person.

There are also some private schools which cater to the ultra rich which
teach students in person. However, these students still jack in, they just
jack in to the private schools isolated system (can't be reached from the
matrix).

Corporate students have athletic programs in their local corporate
neighborhoods.

Public students have access to local public athletic programs with funding
appropriate to their tax base (middle class areas have fair athletic
programs, poor neighborhoods have poor athletic programs).

To Life,
-Graht
Assistant Fearless Leader II
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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Richard Tomasso)
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!
Date: Mon Jun 11 15:30:00 2001
>From: DemonPenta@***.com Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:55:12 EDT
>
>I'm talking at the K12 level, not college.
>
>We know most of the universities are around, but what about public schools?
>IRL, maybe 90% of kids in the US go to public school. What's happened to it
>- educationally, socially, and otherwise - over the
>next 60 years?

There is already a trend for pulling kids out of public schools, which
is only gonna accelerate. There'll be less federal involvement until
everything goes back to the states, and we may even see a total local/
privatized system of primary education. Certainly in the CAS, probably
to a lesser extent in the UCAS and CFS.

The Megacorps will have their own schools or contract out the education
of workers and their children.

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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wally the Intrepid)
Subject: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!
Date: Mon Jun 11 21:45:01 2001
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graht" <davidb@***.100.100.99>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: And now, for my NEXT trick.....Education in 206x!

> Corporate students have athletic programs in their local corporate
> neighborhoods.
>
> Public students have access to local public athletic programs with funding
> appropriate to their tax base (middle class areas have fair athletic
> programs, poor neighborhoods have poor athletic programs).

Hey yeah, I'd forgotten about P.E. and so forth. Your idea works for me.
I would imagine they still have the various clubs, too. Especially at the
wealthier Matrix-schools, though frankly, I don't think it would cost even
the poor ones very much more.

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