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Message no. 1
From: Brett Barksdale <brett@***.ORST.EDU>
Subject: And so it begins...
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:23:17 -0700
When reading thru the background of the shadowrun world, I
always wondered what it would be like to live in the times
leading up to that era - to see corporations like Renraku
(that deal in everything from entertainment to computer software/
hardware to whatever) form from smaller chunks.

And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?

Just a thought. :-)

- Brett
Message no. 2
From: James Paulsen <lowfyr@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:14:46 -0500
Brett Barksdale wrote:
>
> And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
> like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
> we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?

Take a look at Sony. They own a huge chunk of Hollywood and IIRC a lot
of property within the United States and Europe. Petroleum companies
like Exxon have huge investments abroad.

These corporations may not have the direct political control like they
do in the SR Universe expressed through such things as
extraterritoriality, but they have God Awfully powerful lobbies here in
the US and I'm sure their money talks in other countries too.

The Megacorp thing is a lot more real than I would like to consider :)

Jim
Message no. 3
From: Gweedo The Killer Pimp <yawas@****.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:59:08 EDT
On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:23:17 -0700 Brett Barksdale <brett@***.ORST.EDU>
writes:
>When reading thru the background of the shadowrun world, I
>always wondered what it would be like to live in the times
>leading up to that era - to see corporations like Renraku
>(that deal in everything from entertainment to computer software/
>hardware to whatever) form from smaller chunks.
>
>And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
>like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
>we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?
>
>Just a thought. :-)


Wouldn't it tho? :) Couldn't you see Bill Gates the first evil
megacorporate owner hiring shadowrunners to take out those little peons
that write the "Windows for Dummies" books. I can smell a campaign now!
:)


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Message no. 4
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:34:59 -0400
Gweedo The Killer Pimp once dared to write,
>Wouldn't it tho? :) Couldn't you see Bill Gates the first evil
>megacorporate owner hiring shadowrunners to take out those little peons
>that write the "Windows for Dummies" books. I can smell a campaign now!

And you beleive it's not happening now?

- MC23, who still runs nothing by Micro$oft -
"Who's afriad of the big bad 2000?"-
Message no. 5
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:22:19 -0400
> And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
> like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
> we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?

Only if Time/Warner/Turner buys them all.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Great. Five loons against the list. (run!!!)" - Dvixen
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:02:14 +0100
Brett Barksdale said on 17:23/10 Apr 97...

> And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
> like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
> we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?
>
> Just a thought. :-)

A scary one at that... Can you imagine what would happen if the people
behind Windows were to design the games we play...? ;)

(No, don't turn this into a MS-bashing thread. Down, Spike, down!)

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Message no. 7
From: david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:42:19 -0800
At 12:02 PM 4/11/97, Gurth wrote:
>Brett Barksdale said on 17:23/10 Apr 97...

>A scary one at that... Can you imagine what would happen if the people
>behind Windows were to design the games we play...? ;)
>


I can see it now! Shadowrun '99. It will be harder and slower to play, take
up more room on your bookshelf, and be totally incompatible with any other
game you own.

The marketing hype will be fantastic though...

D.
Message no. 8
From: david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:43:40 -0800
I forgot. MSShadowrn '99 won't come out until mid-2002 anyways.

D.
Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:48:10 +0100
|
|> And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
|> like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
|> we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?
|
|Only if Time/Warner/Turner buys them all.

Or Gates buys Time/Warner....

Who's this Turner bloke then?
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Message no. 10
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:55:56 +0100
|A scary one at that... Can you imagine what would happen if the people
|behind Windows were to design the games we play...? ;)

Games *we* play???

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole....

|(No, don't turn this into a MS-bashing thread. Down, Spike, down!)

Awwwww, you're no fun anymore.....
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Message no. 11
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:01:46 -0700
> |Only if Time/Warner/Turner buys them all.
>
> Or Gates buys Time/Warner....
>
> Who's this Turner bloke then?

He's the guy who owns an american TV network and likes to colorize old
films. Rich as all hell.

-Caric

"One cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 12
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:14:53 +0100
|
|I forgot. MSShadowrn '99 won't come out until mid-2002 anyways.

That's an optimistic prediction innit?
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Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:16:59 +0100
|He's the guy who owns an american TV network and likes to colorize old
|films. Rich as all hell.

He's not the heretic who colourised Laural and Hardy, is he?

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Message no. 14
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:12:39 -0500
You wrote:
> |
> |> And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
> |> like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
> |> we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?
> |
> |Only if Time/Warner/Turner buys them all.

> Or Gates buys Time/Warner....

> Who's this Turner bloke then?
> --

What?! You've never heard of Ted Turner? Wow, I'm gonna have to move
over there just to get away from the bum. Turner, for those of you fortunate
enough to have never heard of him, is the man responsible for TBS, TNT and
other communication companies, as well as the owner of the Atlanta Braves.
(Baseball) He also scored major points with Vietnam Vets when he married Jane
Fonda, an American who posed in Hanoi Anti-aircraft guns during said war. Well,
let me just tell you, I may be just the slightest bit impartial about this guy,
since I hate his guts. But I truely think you are one of the luckiest men on
Earth, having never heard of him.

-The Immortal Mental
Message no. 15
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:24:49 -0700
> He's not the heretic who colourised Laural and Hardy, is he?


The same. <said in best Tim voice>

-Caric

"One cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."
-Albert Einstein
Message no. 16
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:45:05 +0100
| What?! You've never heard of Ted Turner? Wow, I'm gonna have to move
|over there just to get away from the bum. Turner, for those of you fortunate
|enough to have never heard of him, is the man responsible for TBS, TNT

TNT? Oh, that's available on satalite and cable over here, but the VAST
majority of us brits don't have cable or satalite.....

Why do americans think we have it good because we don't know who Turner is?

We have our own versions.

Robert Maxwell (May he rest in pieces) and Rupert Murdock sound just as bad,
if not worse.....

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Message no. 17
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:38:12 +0000
On 11 Apr 97 at 13:12, TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.ED wrote:

> What?! You've never heard of Ted Turner? Wow, I'm gonna have
> to move
> over there just to get away from the bum. Turner, for those of you
> fortunate enough to have never heard of him, is the man responsible
> for TBS, TNT and other communication companies, as well as the owner
> of the Atlanta Braves. (Baseball) He also scored major points with

You also owns CNN. I know you've heard of that.

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Message no. 18
From: Mike Buckalew <mike_buckalew@******.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:57:33 -0700
> What?! You've never heard of Ted Turner? Wow, I'm gonna have to move
>over there just to get away from the bum. Turner, for those of you fortunate
>enough to have never heard of him, is the man responsible for TBS, TNT and
>other communication companies, as well as the owner of the Atlanta Braves.
>(Baseball) He also scored major points with Vietnam Vets when he married Jane
>Fonda, an American who posed in Hanoi Anti-aircraft guns during said war.
>Well,
>let me just tell you, I may be just the slightest bit impartial about this
>guy,
>since I hate his guts. But I truely think you are one of the luckiest men on
>Earth, having never heard of him.

Ted gets covered by Shadowrun. In Shadowbeat, he is described as a major
philanthropist. He uses CNN as the basis for a media network dedicated
to exposing the truth and funded by an untouchable trust fund. This
network then becomes a bastion of the people in their fight against
megacorporate oppression. Pretty amusing.


Buck (Mike Buckalew)
Test Manager, FileMaker Pro
Email: buck@******.com

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Message no. 19
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:57:45 +0100
|
|On 11 Apr 97 at 13:12, TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.ED wrote:
|
|> What?! You've never heard of Ted Turner? Wow, I'm gonna have
|> to move
|> over there just to get away from the bum. Turner, for those of you
|> fortunate enough to have never heard of him, is the man responsible
|> for TBS, TNT and other communication companies, as well as the owner
|> of the Atlanta Braves. (Baseball) He also scored major points with
|
|You also owns CNN. I know you've heard of that.

Don't have satalite though, so the only CNN exposure I've had was the Gulf
War... Starring Stormin' Norman.....

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Message no. 20
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:32:50 +0000
On 11 Apr 97 at 18:57, Spike wrote:

> Don't have satalite though, so the only CNN exposure I've had was
> the Gulf War... Starring Stormin' Norman.....

Well, OK, but my point was you have heard of it. :)

And isn't that spelled satellite? :)

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Message no. 21
From: david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:32:24 -0800
At 6:14 PM 4/11/97, Spike wrote:
>|
>|I forgot. MSShadowrn '99 won't come out until mid-2002 anyways.
>
>That's an optimistic prediction innit?


Well, that's the beta. They'll release MSShadowrnNT a year later, which
will actually work, but everyone will already have bought '99 by then.

D.
Message no. 22
From: david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:33:46 -0800
At 1:12 PM 4/11/97, TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU wrote:

>
> What?! You've never heard of Ted Turner? Wow, I'm gonna have to move
>over there just to get away from the bum. Turner, for those of you fortunate
>enough to have never heard of him, is the man responsible for TBS, TNT and
>other communication companies, as well as the owner of the Atlanta Braves.
>(Baseball) He also scored major points with Vietnam Vets when he married Jane
>Fonda, an American who posed in Hanoi Anti-aircraft guns during said war. Well,
>let me just tell you, I may be just the slightest bit impartial about this guy,
>since I hate his guts. But I truely think you are one of the luckiest men on
>Earth, having never heard of him.
>
>-The Immortal Mental

Well, he is spearheading the drive for an NHL franchise in Atlanta, so he
can't be all bad.

D.
Message no. 23
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:43:21 -0500
> Well, he is spearheading the drive for an NHL franchise in Atlanta, so he
> can't be all bad.

When/where did you hear this? I haven't heard anything about it.
Hartford's moving at the end of the season, but they're most likely going to
Minnisota or Nashville. I never knew Atlanta was looking for a team. Is Turner
trying for an expansion? That should be coming up in a few years from now, so
that would be the earliest I can think of Atlanta getting hockey. Not that
hockey has any buisness in a state that never sees ice naturally, IMHO.

-The Immortal Mental
Message no. 24
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:52:05 PDT
>Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:23:17 -0700
>From: Brett Barksdale <brett@***.ORST.EDU>

>
>When reading thru the background of the shadowrun
world, I
>always wondered what it would be like to live in the
times
>leading up to that era - to see corporations like
Renraku
>(that deal in everything from entertainment to
computer software/
>hardware to whatever) form from smaller chunks.
>

That sort of thing is happening right now. Anti-trust
laws and lack of truly aggresive leadership in
current corporations seem to be the only limiting
factors right now. Companies like Coca-Cola and
Proctor and Gamble come to mind...

>And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if
someone
>like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you
think
>we'd be seeing the first of the true
Megacorporations?
>

Nah, not enough spread. Although the two companies
have large markets, they are selective markets. Now
if Microsoft were to pick up some heavy industries, a
fast-food chain, and an airline...

>Just a thought. :-)
>
>- Brett
>

Scary thoughts friend, scary thoughts. Oh, and
welcome if I hadn't gotten around to saying so yet.
:)

Shawn
Don't know shit about buisness, but I can smell
money.

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Message no. 25
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:25:54 +0100
Spike said on 18:57/11 Apr 97...

> Don't have satalite though, so the only CNN exposure I've had was the Gulf
> War... Starring Stormin' Norman.....

The Gulf War was what made CNN _really_ big, yep. Suddenly almost
everybody got it on cable, and where I live it's not been taken off since.
Kinda handy to get up to date on what's happening in the world while I'm
eating breakfast, but apart from that I hardly watch it.

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Message no. 26
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:50:39 +0000
> From: Brett Barksdale <brett@***.ORST.EDU>
> Subject: And so it begins...

> And then I see that WotC has bought out TSR. So, if someone
> like, say, Microsoft ends up purchasing WotC, do you think
> we'd be seeing the first of the true Megacorporations?

That'd still be small compared to Time-Warner, Turner, Westinghouse,
RJR-Nabisco, Seimens and many other conglomerates. Sure Microsoft is
huge, but neither WotC nor TSR belongs in a serious corporate
discussion.

As for my take on WotC buying TSR, Mr. Adkinson is pretty close with
the folks at TSR and I'm thinking that the buyout is really just him
saving them. Kinda like the White Knight protection from takeover
except TSR's just in danger of going out.


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 27
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:50:39 +0000
> From: david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
> Subject: Re: And so it begins...

> I can see it now! Shadowrun '99. It will be harder and slower to play, take
> up more room on your bookshelf, and be totally incompatible with any other
> game you own.
>
> The marketing hype will be fantastic though...

It'll also be incompatable with previous versions and be leveraged
into every new car you buy.


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 28
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:13:09 +0000
> From: david lowe <dlowe@****.COM>
> Subject: Re: And so it begins...

> Well, that's the beta. They'll release MSShadowrnNT a year later, which
> will actually work, but everyone will already have bought '99 by then.

And the only differences between the GM's edition and the player's
edition will be 50 pages glued together and $200.


--Droopy

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Message no. 29
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:13:09 +0000
> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: And so it begins...

> Don't have satalite though, so the only CNN exposure I've had was the Gulf
> War... Starring Stormin' Norman.....

I missed that show. I think the only people who didn't get to see
that was some tribe on the amazon and those of us who were there.


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 30
From: Shawn Baumgartner <deosyne@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 22:30:48 PDT
>Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:13:09 +0000
>From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>

>
>> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
>> Subject: Re: And so it begins...
>
>> Don't have satalite though, so the only CNN
exposure I've had was the Gulf
>> War... Starring Stormin' Norman.....
>
>I missed that show. I think the only people who
didn't get to see
>that was some tribe on the amazon and those of us
who were there.
>

Hell, I was there and I saw it. Well, mostly BBC
coverage, actually. Which makes me wonder; what
exactly is Desert Wars? It's probably in Shadowbeat,
but after browsing through it once, I decided a Coke
would go further and be more useful.

Shawn

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Message no. 31
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:36:34 +0100
Shawn Baumgartner said on 22:30/12 Apr 97...

> Hell, I was there and I saw it. Well, mostly BBC coverage, actually.
> Which makes me wonder; what exactly is Desert Wars? It's probably in
> Shadowbeat, but after browsing through it once, I decided a Coke would go
> further and be more useful.

It's kind of a big live-fire exercise for the corporate military, staged
in the Sahara; the difference is that two (or more?) corporate armies are
actually fighting each with live ammo other rather than with blanks.

It's also a media event, because the fighting gets broadcast worldwide.

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Message no. 32
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: And so it begins...
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:52:00 MST
>> Well, he is spearheading the drive for an NHL franchise in Atlanta, so he
>> can't be all bad.
>
> When/where did you hear this? I haven't heard anything about it.
>Hartford's moving at the end of the season, but they're most likely going
to
>Minnisota or Nashville. I never knew Atlanta was looking for a team. Is
Turner
>trying for an expansion? That should be coming up in a few years from now,
so
>that would be the earliest I can think of Atlanta getting hockey. Not that
>hockey has any buisness in a state that never sees ice naturally, IMHO.
>
>-The Immortal Mental

We have a NHL hockey team here in Phoenix. I've only seen ice/snow 2 or 3
times in my entire life (no I don't get out much), and that's when I went up
to Flagstaff. It is very hot and very dry here, and anyone on our citie's
team did not grow up here. Course we get a lot of snowbirds during the
winter...maybe they like to watch hockey. But I do like to play indoor
soccer, which is kind of the same idea (and it indoors - escape the heat).

Denzil Kruse
d.kruse@****.com

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