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From:	shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject:	A new Idea!
Date:	Thu Oct 18 16:30:01 2001

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This idea came from one of my new players, he’s constantly trying to
come up with creative different ways to use existing things that most
people wouldn’t think of. He’s brought it to my attention that he wants
to design (or know if it’d be possible) a shirt made from the same
fibers that the stealth rope is made from (you touch one of the “sticks”
to it and it disintegrates remember?) the logic is that you could be
wearing a disguise and as soon as you were out of sight you could hit it
with the stick and then it’d disintegrate and you’d be wearing a totally
different set of clothes underneath it and then you’d be a lot harder to
pick out of a crowd (getaway becomes easier in some circumstances). I
think that it’s an awesome idea but I just am not quite sure how much
you’d end up charging for it and how long it’d take. I’d appreciate any
help in this arena that can be offered as long as it’d constructive and
or explanitory from a rules stand pont.

Derek

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This idea came from one of my new players,
he’s constantly trying to come up with creative different ways to use
existing things that most people wouldn’t think of.  He’s brought it to my
attention
that he wants to design (or know if it’d be possible) a shirt made from
the same fibers that the stealth rope is made from (you touch one of the
“sticks”
to it and it disintegrates remember?) the logic is that you could be wearing a
disguise and as soon as you were out of sight you could hit it with the stick
and then it’d disintegrate and you’d be wearing a totally different
set of clothes underneath it and then you’d be a lot harder to pick out
of a crowd (getaway becomes easier in some circumstances).  I think that it’s an awesome
idea
but I just am not quite sure how much you’d end up charging for it and
how long it’d take. 
I’d
appreciate any help in this arena that can be offered as long as it’d
constructive and or explanitory from a rules
stand pont.<o:p></o:p>

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Derek<o:p></o:p>

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From:	shadowrn@*********.com (Wallace Blade)
Subject:	A new Idea!
Date:	Thu Oct 18 18:30:01 2001

Message no. 2 Derek said:
>This idea came from one of my new players, he’s constantly trying to
>come up with creative different ways to use existing things that most
>people wouldn’t think of. He’s brought it to my attention that
>he wants
>to design (or know if it’d be possible) a shirt made from the same
>fibers that the stealth rope is made from (you touch one of the
>“sticks”
>to it and it disintegrates remember?) the logic is that you could be
>wearing a disguise and as soon as you were out of sight you could hit it
>with the stick and then it’d disintegrate and you’d be wearing
>a totally
>different set of clothes underneath it and then you’d be a lot harder
>to
>pick out of a crowd (getaway becomes easier in some circumstances). I
>think that it’s an awesome idea but I just am not quite sure how much
>you’d end up charging for it and how long it’d take.
I’d
>appreciate any
>help in this arena that can be offered as long as it’d constructive
>and
>or explanitory from a rules stand pont.

Well, I guess it'd be quite expensive, and the disguise should be quite wide
(since you have to keep costumes under). Still, I don't see why a corp would
do that. It's just for thieves/shadowrunners or so, not corpish style, so,
maybe, they didn't create it because of that. Just mi o,2 nuyen.

Wallace Blade
Sepherim (Dagger in sperethiel)
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but only obeys those of us that love her."
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From:	shadowrn@*********.com (Melina York)
Subject:	A new Idea!
Date:	Thu Oct 18 18:45:01 2001

Message no. 3 Wallace Blade said,
>Well, I guess it'd be quite expensive, and the disguise should be quite
wide
>(since you have to keep costumes under). Still, I don't see why a corp
would
>do that. It's just for thieves/shadowrunners or so, not corpish style, so,
>maybe, they didn't create it because of that.

But that doesn't mean a runner *can't* make it. Given enough resources (I
don't know what kind of facilities the originator of the idea has) almost
anything can be created by anybody. An anthrax scare is making its way
around the globe right now for exactly this reason. I don't think the
question isn't can it be done?(or at least that's not the question I'm
waiting for the answer to) I think the questions is *how* can it be done. In
case you hadn't noticed, I think this idea is brilliant.

Waiting expectantly,
pete

From:	shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject:	A new Idea!
Date:	Thu Oct 18 21:55:01 2001

Message no. 4 Wallace Blade said,
>>Well, I guess it'd be quite expensive, and the disguise should be quite
wide
>>(since you have to keep costumes under). Still, I don't see why a corp
would
>>do that. It's just for thieves/shadowrunners or so, not corpish style, so,
>>maybe, they didn't create it because of that.

>But that doesn't mean a runner *can't* make it. Given enough resources (I
>don't know what kind of facilities the originator of the idea has) almost
>anything can be created by anybody. An anthrax scare is making its way
>around the globe right now for exactly this reason. I don't think the
>question isn't can it be done?(or at least that's not the question I'm
>waiting for the answer to) I think the questions is *how* can it be done.
In
>case you hadn't noticed, I think this idea is brilliant.

Huh???
Did I miss something while I was gone?
As for resources, I'm in the Navy on a freakin Carrier. I can get a lot of
things (but it takes a high roll on a Fast-Talk test for a reason for said
item).

EMFA John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
"Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a
matter of time."

From:	shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject:	A new Idea!
Date:	Fri Oct 19 03:55:01 2001

Message no. 5 Wallace Blade writes:

> Well, I guess it'd be quite expensive, and the disguise should be quite wide
> (since you have to keep costumes under). Still, I don't see why a corp would
> do that. It's just for thieves/shadowrunners or so, not corpish style, so,
> maybe, they didn't create it because of that. Just mi o,2 nuyen.

Well, corps wouldn't create it using that logic, but if you think about it,
who makes Stealth Climbing Lines, then?

Anyway, it'd probably be so expensive that it wouldn't be made by any
company. But I'm sure if you bought enough of the line you could find a
small tailoring business or seamstress, or independent clothing company with
spare looms who'd make it for you. It's an absolutely brilliant idea, I
think. Sure, you'd probably want it fashioned into a, say, gray suit jacket
(what colour is stealth line, anyway?), but it'd be pretty clever.

All you'd need to do is work out how much you'd need: how thick is stealth
line, how much thread normally goes into an article of clothing. If, for
ease of argument, we assume that stealth line is as thick as coarse clothing
thread (no high quality ultrafine 16 micron wool suit jackets, here, sorry),
then I'm sure we can find somewhere how much thread is required to produce
an item of clothing. All the player has to do is come up with the dosh for
that much stealth line, and find someplace to make it into clothing for him.

It'd probably cost a couple of hundred thousand nuyen at an estimate,
though. Of course, this is much cheaper than the previously discussed
monowire clothing with a cost in the thousands of trillions of nuyen...
<grin>

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong
Unofficial Shadowrun Guru E-mail: dam01@***.edu.au
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From:	shadowrn@*********.com (Iridios)
Subject:	A new Idea!
Date:	Fri Oct 19 07:00:03 2001

Message no. 6 Damion Milliken wrote:
>
> Wallace Blade writes:
>
> > Well, I guess it'd be quite expensive, and the disguise should be quite wide
> > (since you have to keep costumes under). Still, I don't see why a corp would
> > do that. It's just for thieves/shadowrunners or so, not corpish style, so,
> > maybe, they didn't create it because of that. Just mi o,2 nuyen.
>
> Well, corps wouldn't create it using that logic, but if you think about it,
> who makes Stealth Climbing Lines, then?

A corp would make it if they were fulfilling a government contract.

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This is only reasonable as it encourages others to do so.
However, the offer is good one time only. If they want me to
spare them again, they'd better save my life again.

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From:	shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject:	A new Idea!
Date:	Fri Oct 19 09:55:01 2001

Message no. 7 >Well, corps wouldn't create it using that logic, but if you think about
it,
>who makes Stealth Climbing Lines, then?

Good thought BUT I'd say that the military would probably make it for
their spies and stuff and you know that the corps would use it for their
spies too if it were in existance.

>Anyway, it'd probably be so expensive that it wouldn't be made by any
>company.

Expense lowers as you make quantity, instead of reverse engineering
stealth line to get the threads for the clothing you could just make the
clothing from the threads that are used to make the line before they're
woven and braided into the line, that alone would make it cheaper,
however it would be something that would be made in a factory that was
almost identical to a computer hardware factory because if the little
charge hit the stuff it would all disintegrate. And as computer stuff
now days teaches us you can make something and within a year or so the
price drops so that it's considerably affordable.

>But I'm sure if you bought enough of the line you could find a
>small tailoring business or seamstress, or independent clothing company
>with spare looms who'd make it for you. It's an absolutely brilliant
idea, >I think. Sure, you'd probably want it fashioned into a, say, gray
suit >jacket (what colour is stealth line, anyway?), but it'd be pretty
clever.
>All you'd need to do is work out how much you'd need: how thick is
stealth
>line, how much thread normally goes into an article of clothing. If,
for
>ease of argument, we assume that stealth line is as thick as coarse
>clothing thread (no high quality ultrafine 16 micron wool suit jackets,
>here, sorry), then I'm sure we can find somewhere how much thread is
>required to produce an item of clothing. All the player has to do is
come >up with the dosh for that much stealth line, and find someplace to
make it >into clothing for him.
>It'd probably cost a couple of hundred thousand nuyen at an estimate,
>though. Of course, this is much cheaper than the previously discussed
>monowire clothing with a cost in the thousands of trillions of nuyen...
><grin>
And far more useful than the "slice yourself up with monowire" clothing.

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