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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 04:45:00 2001
Ok, I just came back from a "morale boosting exercise" at a local
gentleman's club.
About 45 min after we entered, I had an idea for a wacky/funny shadowrun
meet.

The players are contacted by their fixer to go to this strip club. They
probably go as a group.
After a while they see no sign of the Johnson. A short time later a note is
delivered to the group,
asking of the members to come to a back room/area for a free lap dance.
<bear with me on this>

The dancer is not only an employee, but Ms. Johnson. She gives the one
player the mission
specifics during her routine (to avoid suspicion, natch). I figured the
player would have to roll
Willpower (TN: Dancer's Charisma) to try and remember the details without be
distracted.
At least one success is needed to remember the basics (Type of run, where's
the run, when to deliver).
More successes means more detailed info.
A failure means that 1d6 bits of information is garbled.
A botch means the player was totally distracted.

I wanted to make it a test with the Dancer's charisma + dancing skill
against the player's Willpower, then the number of successes is the target
number for the player's willpower roll. But that seemed a bit excessive.

Any thoughts?

EMFA John Valeu
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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Eleanor Holmes)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 05:00:01 2001
At 12:38 AM 26/09/2001 -0800, Valeu John EMFA wrote:
>
>I wanted to make it a test with the Dancer's charisma + dancing skill
>against the player's Willpower, then the number of successes is the target
>number for the player's willpower roll. But that seemed a bit excessive.
>
>Any thoughts?

Cute and gimmicky, from a game point of view, but totally unprofessional
from a gameworld point of view. There are better ways of transmitting an
undetectable message than via a very distracting encounter which
incidentally puts the Johnson somewhat at risk (if the stereotypical
Johnsons vs. runners confrontationalism is followed in your game). It would
certainly drastically skew the future attitude and behaviour of that
Johnson; it'd be hard to play cooler-than-thou when you know you were
slinking all over that guy's lap last week.

So, I'd say it either counts as cute and gimmicky, but relatively unlikely
- or a cheap way of gratifying immature adolescent male players, and still
relatively unlikely.

Not to mention I have serious issues with you saying that the character has
to succeed on a Willpower roll against the Johnson's Charisma + Dancing;
I've never appreciated GM attitudes that allow them to enforce particular
attitudes or tendencies on a character, and I think this is a way of doing
that. I don't care if she's naked and wriggling in his lap; if the player
wants to have their character be able to ignore it and think normally,
that's (IMO) their prerogative. (Of course, it's more fun to see a player
who's willing to roleplay his character's distraction or mistakes, and I'm
all for that! It's just that I have real issues with GMs trying to specify
a character's personal reaction to a situation.)

That was probably a more serious response than you were looking for, though.

Lady Jestyr
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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Guru)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 05:00:03 2001
> Ok, I just came back from a "morale boosting exercise" at a local
> gentleman's club.
> About 45 min after we entered, I had an idea for a wacky/funny shadowrun
> meet.
>
> [snip idea]
>
> Any thoughts?

excellent idea :-). Must use that one while GMing <evilGMgrin>. As to the
rules, I would use opposed Test of Dance(4) vs. Willpower (dancer's Charisma)
How about that? Net successes will indicate how much he got ;-)

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Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 07:55:01 2001
Eleanor Holmes writes:

> Cute and gimmicky, from a game point of view, but totally unprofessional
> from a gameworld point of view. There are better ways of transmitting an
> undetectable message than via a very distracting encounter which
> incidentally puts the Johnson somewhat at risk (if the stereotypical
> Johnsons vs. runners confrontationalism is followed in your game). It would
> certainly drastically skew the future attitude and behaviour of that
> Johnson; it'd be hard to play cooler-than-thou when you know you were
> slinking all over that guy's lap last week.

Cute and gimmicky, yeah. Unprofessional from a Johnson's point of view,
yeah. But what if the Johnson actually _was_ a lap dancer? Not all Mr J's
are nameless, steoretypical corp suits, you know ;-). In fact, some of the
more intersting runs I remember had Johnsons who were anything but. What if
she's hiring the runners because she's afraid that her now ex boyfriend's
corp "buddies" are gunning for her, because he asked her to "mind" a
datachip for him, and then died messily a day later? Maybe she's got enough
street smarts to figure that they could be watching her to see if she might
know anything, and so she tries to be "subtle" about hiring help.

<shrug> Well, it's only an idea. It'd make for a memorable meeting, if
nothing else. Most Mr J meets are usually one of the _least_ memorable
moments of the run :-).

OTOH, the Willpower idea would only work if your players and their
characters went along with it. It would be unlikely to work on, for
instance, a chromed to the max androgynous sammy who had had it's genitals
removed to "improve it's capcity for clear thought" <grin>. Now that
sounds
like an interesting character concept... :-)

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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Downtym)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 08:55:01 2001
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Damion Milliken wrote:

> <shrug> Well, it's only an idea. It'd make for a memorable meeting, if
> nothing else. Most Mr J meets are usually one of the _least_ memorable
> moments of the run :-).

We make sure to remember the Johnsons around here. Also, you've never
seen a runner group so paranoid about a meet in your entire life. We
show up four or five hours early, scour the place like a plague, and
settle in to wait with outside backup casing the place while hard
hitters sit inside. The only time we've ever been caught off guard was
in that damned mission in the Empire States Building (I can never
remember what the name of it is. Involves terrorists coming in and
taking the restaurant hostage. If you've run it, you remember this
pain in the ass...).


> OTOH, the Willpower idea would only work if your players and their
> characters went along with it. It would be unlikely to work on, for
> instance, a chromed to the max androgynous sammy who had had it's genitals
> removed to "improve it's capcity for clear thought" <grin>. Now that
sounds
> like an interesting character concept... :-)

lol. I guarentee someone has already done it. hehe.

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Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Holly Feray)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 09:25:01 2001
,>but totally unprofessional from a gameworld point of view.

There are better ways of transmitting an undetectable message

>It would certainly drastically skew the future attitude and behaviour of
that
> Johnson; it'd be hard to play cooler-than-thou when you know you
> were slinking all over that guy's lap last week.
>

Not all Johnsons are professional Johnsons.

Yes, but the CIA/FBI are not always available.

That's the point.

Also, not all of the runners are necessarily straight, male, or
interested in that particular type of woman.

Holly
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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Holly Feray)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 09:25:03 2001
ve to roll
> Willpower (TN: Dancer's Charisma) to try and remember the details
> without be distracted.
> At least one success is needed to remember the basics (Type of run,
where's
> the run, when to deliver).
> More successes means more detailed info.
> A failure means that 1d6 bits of information is garbled.
> A botch means the player was totally distracted.
> I wanted to make it a test with the Dancer's charisma + dancing skill
> against the player's Willpower, then the number of successes is the
> target
> number for the player's willpower roll. But that seemed a bit
> excessive.
>

The set up is fine. Most Johnsons that I have had characters deal with;
however, give data chips with the perameters of the run or at least a
download.

Holly
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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Eleanor Holmes)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 10:00:01 2001
At 09:52 PM 26/09/2001 +1000, Damion Milliken wrote:

> Unprofessional from a Johnson's point of view,
>yeah. But what if the Johnson actually _was_ a lap dancer? Not all Mr J's
>are nameless, steoretypical corp suits, you know ;-).

Oh, absolutely not. But I felt it was worth pointing out that a Johnson
behaving in this manner pretty much requires them to act differently from
the norm later, too.

Lady Jestyr
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have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird
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Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 14:15:01 2001
<more than a snip, but less then a cut>

>That was probably a more serious response than you were looking for,
though.

Actually, I was looking for all opinions.
Of course the character I had in mind for this type of meet was also trying
to hit on Zippy (correct name? the female ganger from Food Fight) in the
middle of a gun battle.
(coincidentally, the character's player is the one that took me to the
club.)

EMFA John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
"Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a
matter of time."
Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 14:20:01 2001
>> Willpower (TN: Dancer's Charisma) to try and remember the details
>> without be distracted.
>> At least one success is needed to remember the basics (Type of run,
>>where's
>> the run, when to deliver).
>> More successes means more detailed info.
>> A failure means that 1d6 bits of information is garbled.
>> A botch means the player was totally distracted.
>> I wanted to make it a test with the Dancer's charisma + dancing skill
>> against the player's Willpower, then the number of successes is the
>> target
>> number for the player's willpower roll. But that seemed a bit
>> excessive.


>The set up is fine. Most Johnsons that I have had characters deal with;
>however, give data chips with the perameters of the run or at least a
>download.

Ok, but where exactly is she going to keep the datachip???
(Try and keep this civil, we have children in the audience.)

Actually, I was going to keep that joke private and not mention the return
trip for the payment.
(for those of you with sick minds, yes it is and was.)
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 14:25:01 2001
>> Unprofessional from a Johnson's point of view,
>>yeah. But what if the Johnson actually _was_ a lap dancer? Not all Mr J's
>>are nameless, steoretypical corp suits, you know ;-).

>Oh, absolutely not. But I felt it was worth pointing out that a Johnson
>behaving in this manner pretty much requires them to act differently from
>the norm later, too.

I always figured that Johnsons were the guys/gals that got you the jobs.
Didn't matter if they were Corp or not. Heck, Terminus Project (or was that
Experiment?) had a stripper-turned-runner as one of the main heroines. (IIRC
she was also ambidextrous and was an natural expert with pistols)

I figured the run could be the stereotypical jealous ex- or
overzealous/obsessive fan that she wants taken care of. This could have
gone two way; heart-less slitch and wants them gone, or still caring
"stripper with a heart of gold" and wants to try and let them down easy
under certain circumstances so she wouldn't get attacked or anything.

In my campaign I'm starting to lean towards the "whole lotta missions with
the majority being used in an overall story arc" way of playing. This would
most likely be a one shot mission. It's great to see the players try and
put together the larger puzzle when they're given extra pieces. <egmg>

EMFA John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
"Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a
matter of time."
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Holly Feray)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 14:45:01 2001
> Of course the character I had in mind for this type of meet was also
> trying
> to hit on Zippy (correct name? the female ganger from Food Fight)
> in the
> middle of a gun battle.

Well that character is a lost cause... Zippy???! What the heck is he
thinking?! Yuck!

H

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Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Holly Feray)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 14:45:03 2001
> give data chips with the perameters of the run or at least
> a
> >download.
>
> Ok, but where exactly is she going to keep the datachip???
> (Try and keep this civil, we have children in the audience.)
>
> Actually, I was going to keep that joke private and not mention the
> return
> trip for the payment.
> (for those of you with sick minds, yes it is and was.)
>


Logistically: Data storage devices 50 years from now are going to be
even smaller. And credit "sticks"
will probably actually look like a smaller version of the smart credit
cards of today. They
will probably be about the size of the key chain grocery cards. Now as a
woman who goes
clubbing in form fit clothing I can say that cleavage was not just
invented by the powers that
be just for men to rest their heads upon. It is a great place to stow
small items, like a data chip,
cash, etc. And strippers do wear clothes, they just remove them. Also a
lot of strippers have
a purse that they carry to keep change in for their customers big bills
(the ones that get used
to pay for lap dances) And should the establishment be a "bare"
environment... the mouth is
the final option. The data chip could be wrapped in some thing to keep
dry. The mouth of
slaves were used as a place to regularly stow money, so this is nothing
new. So ya'll don't get
your jollies. Oh and stripper with cyberarm, leg etc could stow stuff
in the cybered part.

TTFN
Holly
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Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 17:45:00 2001
>> Of course the character I had in mind for this type of meet was also
>> trying
>> to hit on Zippy (correct name? the female ganger from Food Fight)
>> in the
>> middle of a gun battle.

>Well that character is a lost cause... Zippy???! What the heck is he
>thinking?! Yuck!

Well, following the scenario, Zippy was coming onto him and well, he took it
as an invitation.
All during the shootout, she's unloading at the team with her SMG, and he's
trying to sweet talk her. Kinda sweet in a way. He also never fired a
round at her. Was able to hit her a couple of times with his one-inch box
wrench (he's a mechanical adept with missile mastery). I think at the end,
the newbie kid and Zippy were the only ones left. I allowed the gang to
surrender. She brushed off the advances and went home with the only
remaining member.

EMFA John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
"Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a
matter of time."
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 17:50:01 2001
>> give data chips with the perameters of the run or at least
>> a
>> >download.
>>
>> Ok, but where exactly is she going to keep the datachip???
>> (Try and keep this civil, we have children in the audience.)
>>
>> Actually, I was going to keep that joke private and not mention the
>> return
>> trip for the payment.
>> (for those of you with sick minds, yes it is and was.)



>Logistically: Data storage devices 50 years from now are going to be
>even smaller. And credit "sticks"
>will probably actually look like a smaller version of the smart credit
>cards of today. They
>will probably be about the size of the key chain grocery cards. Now as a
>woman who goes
>clubbing in form fit clothing I can say that cleavage was not just
>invented by the powers that
>be just for men to rest their heads upon. It is a great place to stow
>small items, like a data chip,
>cash, etc. And strippers do wear clothes, they just remove them. Also a
>lot of strippers have
>a purse that they carry to keep change in for their customers big bills
>(the ones that get used
>to pay for lap dances) And should the establishment be a "bare"
>environment... the mouth is
>the final option. The data chip could be wrapped in some thing to keep
>dry. The mouth of
>slaves were used as a place to regularly stow money, so this is nothing
>new. So ya'll don't get
>your jollies. Oh and stripper with cyberarm, leg etc could stow stuff
>in the cybered part.

Good points. I never thought of that. (was kinda distracted and thinking
about that particular moment)

Although it states in SR3 that the Credstick is about the size of a pencil
and tapered at one end with a keyring on the other. I guess
retinal/DNA/Finger print identification takes up a little bit of space.

About the strippers wearing, they don't wear much, but they do have those
little purse thingies.
Thanks for helpping me fill out the details Holly.

EMFA John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
"Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a
matter of time."
Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Holly Feray)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 18:40:01 2001
>
> Although it states in SR3 that the Credstick is about the size of a
> pencil
> and tapered at one end with a keyring on the other. I guess
> retinal/DNA/Finger print identification takes up a little bit of
> space.
>
> About the strippers wearing, they don't wear much, but they do have
> those
> little purse thingies.
> Thanks for helpping me fill out the details Holly.
>

The book says that is the size, but that only means that the cred stick
is that size produced by that company so what are other companies sticks
like and why would they have changed from the credit cards they are
today?

Actually strippers wear a lot in the strip clubs I have been in. The
Colorado Bar and Grill (a men's club)in Houston the ladies wear sexy and
lingerie clothes but there is a lot of fabric there before they begin to
strip. (I got in because I hosted my best friend's bachelor party)

Holly

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Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Wed Sep 26 20:40:01 2001
>> Although it states in SR3 that the Credstick is about the size of a
>> pencil
>> and tapered at one end with a keyring on the other. I guess
>> retinal/DNA/Finger print identification takes up a little bit of
>> space.
>>
>> About the strippers wearing, they don't wear much, but they do have
>> those
>> little purse thingies.
>> Thanks for helpping me fill out the details Holly.


>The book says that is the size, but that only means that the cred stick
>is that size produced by that company so what are other companies sticks
>like and why would they have changed from the credit cards they are
>today?

I thought that the shape was the standard for credsticks. Is it mentioned
in NAGNA or anywhere else that there are other styles of 'sticks? You might
have something there.

>Actually strippers wear a lot in the strip clubs I have been in. The
>Colorado Bar and Grill (a men's club)in Houston the ladies wear sexy and
>lingerie clothes but there is a lot of fabric there before they begin to
>strip. (I got in because I hosted my best friend's bachelor party)

Over at Deja Vu's the girls only wear two or three piece outfits (and those
weren't much), but it's a totally nude, 18 and over (non-alcoholic
establishment) and there wasn't a lot for them to take off.

Now, before this degenerates into something worse, I'm ending this thread.
Thanks for helpping to flesh out the idea.

EMFA John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
"Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a
matter of time."
Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Thu Sep 27 00:05:04 2001
In a message dated 9/26/2001 6:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ldytinne@****.com writes:

<< The book says that is the size, but that only means that the cred stick
is that size produced by that company so what are other companies sticks
like and why would they have changed from the credit cards they are
today? >>


Most of the official canon I've seen depicts a credstick as just that. A
stick. Tapered at the end like a pencil just like the other poster said. In
the old Sega game even, if you go to a telecomm terminal it shows the slot
for a credstick which is just a round port. I think it shows that on some of
the book covers too, but I'd have to doublecheck on that and I'm being lazy.
::grin::
Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Eleanor Holmes)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Thu Sep 27 02:50:05 2001
At 04:36 PM 26/09/2001 -0800, Valeu John EMFA wrote:
>
>>The book says that is the size, but that only means that the cred stick
>>is that size produced by that company so what are other companies sticks
>>like and why would they have changed from the credit cards they are
>>today?
>
>I thought that the shape was the standard for credsticks. Is it mentioned
>in NAGNA or anywhere else that there are other styles of 'sticks? You might
>have something there.

I can't see why they wouldn't have all adopted a standard size and shape,
otherwise credstick readers would have to have eighteen different ports and
swipes and slots, just to support all the different kinds of credstick.

Think of it as if each bank produced its credit cards with different
dimensions - an ATM would have to have a couple of dozen different sized
slots (and internal mechanisms) to be able to read the majority of popular
cards out there. There's vast market pressure to adopt standards, and if
there's no commercial value in deviating from those standards, companies
don't do it.

Lady Jestyr
"If you can't be a good example, then you'll just
have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird
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Message no. 20
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Damion Milliken)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Thu Sep 27 05:05:01 2001
Eleanor Holmes writes:

> I can't see why they wouldn't have all adopted a standard size and shape,
> otherwise credstick readers would have to have eighteen different ports and
> swipes and slots, just to support all the different kinds of credstick.
>
> Think of it as if each bank produced its credit cards with different
> dimensions - an ATM would have to have a couple of dozen different sized
> slots (and internal mechanisms) to be able to read the majority of popular
> cards out there. There's vast market pressure to adopt standards, and if
> there's no commercial value in deviating from those standards, companies
> don't do it.

I seem to remember reading somewhere (Germany Sourcebook perhaps?) that many
European countries used a "credstick" that was more like a PCMCIA card (like
a fat credit card). Adapters were available for these cards that stuck a
small credstick "nib" on the end so that you could insert them into North
American credstick readers.

In a similar vein, I could easily envision that if the adapter circuitry in
the "nib" was all that was important, then you could have "credsticks"
of
any size and shape, so long as it had a "nib" to insert into the reader.
Heck, you could even have a "nib" that had a wireless communication system,
and your actual credstick details could be stored in headware memory or
elsewhere entirely.

This is how I see credsticks in SR. The interface circuitry has been
standardised, as has the comunications protocols, but otherwise individuals
and companies are able to customise to their hearts content.

A cool idea would be to have a "nib" in a fingertip compartment, and your
credstick and data in headware memory. That way you'd just need to stick
your finger in the credstick socket, and you wouldn't have to carry a 'stick
around at all. Good for when you're mugged ;-).

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Message no. 21
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Thu Sep 27 05:45:01 2001
According to Valeu John EMFA, on Wed, 26 Sep 2001 the word on the street was...

> Well, following the scenario, Zippy was coming onto him and well, he took
> it as an invitation.

I think you're thinking of the character named "Zaney" in the First Run
version of Food Fight. She was called Wendy in the original version in SR1.

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Message no. 22
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Thu Sep 27 05:45:04 2001
According to Eleanor Holmes, on Thu, 27 Sep 2001 the word on the street was...

> Think of it as if each bank produced its credit cards with different
> dimensions - an ATM would have to have a couple of dozen different sized
> slots (and internal mechanisms) to be able to read the majority of
> popular cards out there. There's vast market pressure to adopt standards,
> and if there's no commercial value in deviating from those standards,
> companies don't do it.

In many cases, they do if the technology is new -- then everyone wants to see
their own version of the tech adopted as the standard that everyone else
should conform to. A good example is the chip cards we've got here in the
Netherlands, which you can use to pay with without having to punch in a PIN
number (I can't remember what they're called in English): we ended up with
two different systems because one of the largest banks, which has the
advantage of being part of the postal services, decided on one system, and
all the other banks chose another one. It's all built into the same credit
card-sized cards, but because the protocols and whatnot are different,
they're not interchangeable. Only now, something like five years after these
were first introduced, has the first bank decided to switch to the system
used by the others.

You can see this in a lot of tech fields, so I could certainly see this
happening with credsticks: many countries develop the same kind of thing
around the same time, but all use a different system. (Or even have different
systems in the same country.) Only after some time will the impopular ones
disappear, or some countries decide that compatibility with foreign systems
is important. After that you get a standard written up, which will usually be
the one that's the de facto standard already -- anyone remember the
Betamax/VHS/V2000 war? It was won by VHS not because that was so good (in
fact it was the worst of the three), but because it was popular (and _that_
was largely due to the availability of porn movies on VHS).

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Message no. 23
From: shadowrn@*********.com (BD)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Thu Sep 27 14:30:01 2001
--- Damion Milliken <dam01@***.edu.au> wrote:
> OTOH, the Willpower idea would only work if your players and their
> characters went along with it. It would be unlikely to work on, for
> instance, a chromed to the max androgynous sammy who had had it's
> genitals
> removed to "improve it's capcity for clear thought" <grin>. Now that
> sounds like an interesting character concept... :-)

Been there, run that. :)

Part of my rationalization for that character's decision was that I've
always been partial to the idea that vastly reduced essence also reduces
sex drive... this builds on the whole 'loss of humanity' thing. But then
again, I think most players don't roleplay majorly cybered characters well
enough. Kid Stealth from some of the novels (Into the Shadows?) seems to
me to be a good example of what a 0.1 Essence freak would really be like...
antisocial to the max. If you've got less than 2 Essence, you should have
some personality issues. If you've got less than 1, you should be
downright -different-...

====-Boondocker

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Message no. 24
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Sebastian Wiers)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Fri Sep 28 08:55:01 2001
>The dancer is not only an employee, but Ms. Johnson. She gives the one
>player the mission
>specifics during her routine (to avoid suspicion, natch). I figured the
>player would have to roll
>Willpower (TN: Dancer's Charisma) to try and remember the details without
be
>distracted.

Are you saying that when a mostly or fully naked member of the attractive
sex tells you what they desire from you, you don't pay attention?
Experience and science would indicate otherwise to me; adrenaline is both a
sexual hormone and one that enhances mnemonic retention and learning.

There's also the (in the games I played, at least) very high probability
that your runner group has runners of both genders and sexual persuasions,
meaning maybe half of them are gonna be distracted (if nudity and sexual
behavior is something that matters to them), sure, but not aroused.

-Mongoose
Message no. 25
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Valeu John EMFA)
Subject: A new kind of meet
Date: Fri Sep 28 13:40:01 2001
>>The dancer is not only an employee, but Ms. Johnson. She gives the one
>>player the mission
>>specifics during her routine (to avoid suspicion, natch). I figured the
>>player would have to roll
>>Willpower (TN: Dancer's Charisma) to try and remember the details without
>>be distracted.

>Are you saying that when a mostly or fully naked member of the attractive
>sex tells you what they desire from you, you don't pay attention?
>Experience and science would indicate otherwise to me; adrenaline is both a
>sexual hormone and one that enhances mnemonic retention and learning.

>There's also the (in the games I played, at least) very high probability
>that your runner group has runners of both genders and sexual persuasions,
>meaning maybe half of them are gonna be distracted (if nudity and sexual
>behavior is something that matters to them), sure, but not aroused.

<<Engage SoCal personality>>
Dude....
Dude....
Dude....
I'm on a big gray Navy ship filled with a bunch of males that either have
only played males, or will not play a female character right now for various
reasons. Remember that only saying,
"God blessed Man with two heads, but only enough blood to operated one at a
time"?
We only have one female runner and a female NPC girlfriend of another
player.
Granted either one of the females could also be chosen (last night proved
that...), but this was made specificly for my one player.

EMFA John Valeu
-AKA- TimeKeeper
"Don't put off tomorrow what you can do today, because it's just a
matter of time."

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