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Message no. 1
From: William Gallas <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:12:48 +0100
All this makes the spell an effective tool if used in open spaces or when
the shaman doesn't want to go anywhere, but not a handy choice in most
buildings.

Any thoughts?

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:50:23 +0100
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Subject: Re: Karma Pool query
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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 07:34:09 -0700
-David
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Bull - in - the - box
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And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
|But the human brain doesn't store information 100%. It saves memory
|as symbols. If you try to remember an event (the last gaming
|session) you'll find you can remember the flow and sequence of
|events, what your feelings were, what the percieved feelings of your
|friends were, and some specifics that really stood out (like if Bull
|wore a Hawaiian shirt). But try to remember other details (what
|everyone was wearing, etc) and you'll find that you can't (unless you
|have total recall).

Ahhhh, but the memories are still there, even if you can't access them.
(As any good hypnotist and a session in regression (hey, that rhymed!) will
prove.)

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:26:59 -0500
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From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: [OT] CMOS batteries (was Re: Sniper rifles)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19971231073425.1b2f8d3c@*****.com>; from Bull on W
Message no. 3
From: Russ Myrick <ceedawg@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:41:24 -0600
Paul J. Adam wrote:

> In article <dc177d13.34aa4691@***.com>, JonSzeto <JonSzeto@***.COM>
> writes
> >It still doesn't solve the
> >problem of firing the M-16 in MOPP, however. (And personally, I don't
> think it
> >can be solved---not technically, and not with the M-16, anyway. The
> M-16 uses
> >iron sights, which requires the user to put his cheek right up
> against the
> >butstock. The eyelets prevent this, thus preventing proper sight
> picture. To
> >get around this practically requires developing some sort of
> form-fitting mask
> >that virtually melds with the contours of the skin. The more
> practical
> >alternative is training soldiers to tilt the M-16 45 degrees inward
> and
> >cocking the head slightly---still not the best method of aiming, but
> better
> >than nothing.)

I'm getting in to this discussion a little late, but it seems we are
talking about sighting problems with respirators & gas masks, no?

Currently frontline troops have available, but rarely used passive
IR/thermographic optics that attach to the lenses of the M17 family of
gas masks. These are to be used with the "hotspot" laser aiming devices
that can be connected to a variety of weapons. Hotspot projects a
sighting point, calibrated to the weapons "battle zero", on to the
target, which can be set to either visible (red dot) or IR (appears as a
white dot in the optics & invisible to unaided vision). The idea is to
allow the troop to employ the weapon with out having to compensate for
sight picture missalignment caused by the bulk of the mask.

Presently I know of only a very few special ops units who make use of
this, even though it is not a restricted use system, and is available
for general issue.

ceedawg
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:19:46 -0800
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> > > Last time I heard - and don't quote me on this - the Dragon Heart Saga
> > > is being considered canon. In it, Ryan Mercury manages to meld into the
> > > background of the astral by leaning against a tree and modifying his
> > > aura. Now, if Mercury turn
Message no. 4
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:34:10 +0100
-Lorden
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:11:23 +0100
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From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Organization: Affilated Artists
Subject: Re: An Opposing View (Re: SR3 Magic Terms)
I
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:46:47 +0100
>It involves
>dealing out seven cards which represent places, items, people,
>events, and emotions. The goal of the game is to tell a story using
>the cards. You're also delt three "endings". And the story told has
>to use one of the three endings (they lived happily ever after, she
>found her love, the evil was banished, etc). Other players can take
>over the story if your story contains something on one of their
>cards.
>
>Anyway, you could deal out cards to players and challenge them to use
>the cards in the game. The game has a definite fantasy element, so
>you might have to take out some cards. But that gives you the
>opportunity to put in cards of your own :)
>
Agreed... THis is also something that could work... And I have that game
already, BTW :]

YOu expected otherwise? :}

Bull
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:03:02 -0500
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From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Bull - in - the - box
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Besides, from what I understand the campaign involved isn't
precisely a normal power level one :)

Why, whatever do you mean? ;-)

Steven A. Tinner
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:46:46 +0100
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From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
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Subject: Re: Spirits,
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:46:46 +0100
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From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
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Subject: Re: Sniper rifles
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Zixx said on 20:50/ 2 Jan 98...

> > I don't see why it should be impossible to make LP ammo into a belt -- all
> > you need are belt links that fit the cartridge cases. Now I grant you that
> > it'll be very unlikely you'll find those, since I know of no pistol (RL or
> > SR) that uses belted ammo, but it's nonetheless possible to make such a
> > belt.
>
> Guess you got that wrong.

In what way am I "wrong" here? You can make any modern ammo into a belt,
given belt links of the right size.

> Just imagine a drek-hot Sammy ask his fixer about "light pistol ammo".
> ".22 FMJs", would be nice. It's just a matter of realsim and detail....

Even though the player is asking for "light pistol ammo", the character is
asking for ".22 F
Message no. 7
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 04:53:25 PST
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:19:54 +0000
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From: Andy Gardner <A.Gardner@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Crash of '29
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All of the other notes on this subject assume on big thing.
Once you've had your data wiped and your hardware burned you just buy
some replacement hardware parts and recover the back-ups.

Even assuming that your backups are OK, whose going to pay for the
replacement parts ? The moneys in the bank. So is the virus, say
bye-bye to your current bank balance.
I know, I'll pay by credit card. So you use their card machine,
which sends the data via th matrix. Say hello to th virus again.
Even if you get the order through you'll find that the hardware
company can't supply you. Their stock catalogue and their records of
whether you've paid or not are gone.
Oh yes, then there's the delivery companies route planner.....

With a crash that big even the most basic tasks can become very
difficult.

Fox on the Net
ICQ UIN - 5239612
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Message no. 8
From: Andy Gardner <A.Gardner@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:24:07 +0000
The way the investing appears to work (as far as I have been able to
determine in character) is that the Insect Shaman creates the anchor
point and places the Insect Spirit larva into it. Depending on how
much effort the shaman put into it (Target number and Drain) the
larva then consumes it's hosts essence at a varying rate until it
reaches it's full force and the host has no essence left. It then
hatches.

This can be considered consistent with SR, especially if you know
about ED. I know only a little about ED and I know that a little
knowledge can be a dangerous thing, but here goes.
In ED everything has a True Pattern. This pattern creates the
physical body. In magical terms you could say that it is a mold
which shapes the energy of creation (etheric ?) which then is
perceived on the physical plane as the body.
(AFAIK that is how IE's work, they have strenghtened their
True Pattern so that it no longer ages.)
When the insect spirit starts consuming it's host it also starts
consuming the hosts true pattern.
If it succeeds completely then the host is completely destroyed and a
true-form emerges. If it doesn't succeed completely then the closer
it gets the more the true pattern reflects the insect nature, and the
closer the visible body becomes to an insect.
This ties in with the summoning table on Page 102 of the 2nd
Grimoire.

I know that this ties in with the debate on Auras and Astral bodies
from earlier. I'm going to add to the debate that this is a Game,.
not RL and that to a certain extent they are trying to make SR and ED
internally consistent. I don't know who FASA are doing this in house
but hopefully they can be drawn out into giving an answer.

Fox on the Net
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Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not
Message no. 9
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:06:15 -0700
In comparison the Falklands campaign, seems to have been a much
better planned and much closer run thing against an some
what capable opponent. A much better teacher.




David Hinkley
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:44:48 -0700
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On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, AirWisp wrote:

> In a message dated 98-01-02 20:27:10 EST, you write:
>
> > Now here's a thought, using a system similar to what's on the Aguilar
> > helicopter, design a sub similar to the "Red October."
>
> Are you referring to the Impellor Drive that the Red October had ? Check out
> Amphibous Assault Package III in the R2 ...

That works, to a degree if a similar package were developed for a
submarine, though I still think you would need a better stealth system to
create the same effect, perhaps using RAM as well except designed to fool
sonar.

Bruce aka Rendar, the educated Ork Street Samurai.

"The Shadows are your friend. Intelligence, your ally. Negotiation, your
companion. Violence, your lover...but frag, chaos is your wife!"
-Summary of the run's results to a Johnson.
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Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:31:10 +0100
>
> I'm currently involved in a run in Bug City.
> Very early on we came across somebody who was cornered and the Insect
> Shaman had just, in the previous action, invested the person. Since the
> investation takes a long while an immediate banishing was tried and was

If they stopped it that quick, I'd rule there was no damage done. I
doubt the spirit had time to really do any damage. The "victim" might
have some nightmares about bug for awhile, but that's as far as it would
probably go. But basically, because as you said before, the rules are a
bit nebulous, your GM is free to do pretty much whatever.

>
> The way the investing appears to work (as far as I have been able to
> determine in character) is that the Insect Shaman creates the anchor
> point and places the Insect Spirit larva into it. Depending on how much
> effort the shaman put into it (Target number and Drain) the larva then
> consumes it's hosts essence at a varying rate until it reaches it's full
> force and the host has no essence left. It then hatches.

That pretty much they way I read it as well. I always sort of envisioned
the process something like that episode from Battlestar Galactica
"Carrylon", if anyone remembers that one.

>
> This can be considered consistent with SR, especially if you know
> about ED. I know only a little about ED and I know that a little
> knowledge can be a dangerous thing, but here goes.

Yup, very dangerous since, basically, there is no official link between
ED and SR. Sure, lots of crossovers in novels, and those pesky IEs, and a
number of other things (even found an ED Axe in the Denver Boxed Set), as
well as vague references. And sure, the two have lots of similarities and
it just screams "connection" to most of us, but officially there is none.
Some of the stuff in ED and SR may have been written with the same ideas
in mind, but which is which is a guess cause there is no official word.
That said...

> In ED everything has a True Pattern. This pattern creates the
> physical body. In magical terms you could say that it is a mold
> which shapes the energy of creation (etheric ?) which then is
> perceived on the physical plane as the body.
> (AFAIK that is how IE's work, they have strenghtened their
> True Pattern so that it no longer ages.)
> When the insect spirit starts consuming it's host it also starts
> consuming the hosts true pattern.
> If it succeeds completely then the host is completely destroyed and a
> true-form emerges. If it doesn't succeed completely then the closer it
> gets the more the true pattern reflects the insect nature, and the closer
> the visible body becomes to an insect. This ties in with the summoning
> table on Page 102 of the 2nd Grimoire.

... that sounds prett
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:31:11 +0100
Spike said on 12:56/ 3 Jan 98...

> But if he has no combat pool, it's impossible to counter-attack, because you
> don't have any dice to counter-attack with!

The other way around: without Combat Pool, you can't go into full defense
(i.e. trying to make the attacker miss you) per SRII rules. Anyone can
counter-attack, even those without Unarmed Combat skill, simply by
defaulting from something else, but full defense isn't an option if you
don't have Combat Pool or a Threat Rating.

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Message no. 12
From: Russ Myrick <ceedawg@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:43:49 -0600
I agree with you on continued development of Conjuring ... and the mixing of
Conjuring and Sorcery would need to be worked out more as we continue in this
...

> >I am going to ponder this some more ...
>
> Okay, I will too.
>
Thanks,

Mike

"When all else fails, Hellblast will do just finely."
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Dust wrote ...

> I just got Cybertechnology for Christmas,

I got it shortly after it came out ...

> Pretty damn interesting book if you ask me. I'm glad I didn't get
> it when I first started playing because the urge to create a munchkinish
> player would have been too great.

Unfortunately that was our first mistake ... though things have calmed down
somewhat her
Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Another barriers question (not related to the psychokinetic
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:42:45 +0100
And it's unreliability.
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David R. Lowe wrote:
>
> <snip crash stuff>
>
> Most of the theories I've seen about the Crash have involved corrupted
> data. What if it was the OS itself that caused the problem? Either a
> deliberate or accidental flaw in the dominant operating system that
> inherently corrupted all data it was working with?

Well I'm going to open a whole can of worms here. What about the
references that where made in the
novel Clockwork asylum Saying it was someones core war virus code that
got loose...
The OS would be be

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