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Message no. 1
From: Screaming in Digital <zzkeanej@****.WINTHROP.EDU>
Subject: A quick question
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:35:05 -0500
Hiya --

Just a quick question that's been bothering me ever since I gave a damn
about the SR2 magic system. Does one's magic rating affect the maximum
force rating of one's spells? If so, please tell me where to look.

TIA,
Jamie
Message no. 2
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: A quick question
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 16:44:55 +0100
> Just a quick question that's been bothering me ever since I gave a damn
> about the SR2 magic system. Does one's magic rating affect the maximum
> force rating of one's spells? If so, please tell me where to look.

No, it just helps you to get stun drain and not physical.

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Message no. 3
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: A quick question
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:20:30 -0500
>>>>> "Screaming" == Screaming in Digital
<zzkeanej@****.WINTHROP.EDU>
>>>>> writes:

Screaming> Just a quick question that's been bothering me ever since I
Screaming> gave a damn about the SR2 magic system. Does one's magic
Screaming> rating affect the maximum force rating of one's spells? If
Screaming> so, please tell me where to look.

No; it just sets the threshold between which damage from spell drain is
physical or stun. If the force of the spell is less than or equal to
your magic rating the drain applies to your mental/stun track; if the
force is greater than your magic rating, the drain applies to your
physical track.

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Message no. 4
From: "John W. Carter" <scarterjw@****.TRISTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: A quick question
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:59:59 -0500
>Just a quick question that's been bothering me ever since I gave a damn
>about the SR2 magic system. Does one's magic rating affect the maximum


>force rating of one's spells? If so, please tell me where to look.
>
>TIA,
>Jamie

I don't happen to have the SRII rule book on me, but I do know that one's
Magic rating has an effect on the Force of spells that the caster can SAFELY
take.

Any spell with a force greater than the caster's Magic rating takes the Drain
as PHYSICAL DAMAGE as opposed to the usual stun. (Think twice about a
spellcaster with a Magic rating of 1 casting a force-10 Hellblast...)

It's somewhere in the magic section I guess, but it is there.

John Carter
...My, what a big mouth you have...
Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: A quick question
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:30:54 +0100
>Just a quick question that's been bothering me ever since I gave a damn
>about the SR2 magic system. Does one's magic rating affect the maximum
>force rating of one's spells? If so, please tell me where to look.

Yes, it does... if you cast a spell with a Force greater than your Magic
rating you take Physical drain instead of Stun. I don't know where it is in
the rulebook exactly (try the Magic chapter :), but it's definitely in there...


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Message no. 6
From: LISETTE M THERIOT <psy_lmt@***.LAMAR.EDU>
Subject: Re: A quick question
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:35:14 -0600
>Just a quick question that's been bothering me ever since I gave a damn
>about the SR2 magic system. Does one's magic rating affect the maximum
>force rating of one's spells? If so, please tell me where to look.

You Betcha! If the force of your spell is higher than your Magic rating, the
Drain is Physical instead of Stun.
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Geoff Haacke)
Subject: A quick question
Date: Wed May 9 22:05:00 2001
> From: "Peter Kristiansen" <psk@*****.stofanet.dk>
> Uuh.. I got this one, ehem: No. Nothing about the
> Colt Manhunter has
> changed.
>
> Peter


Thanks for all the info folks!


====Geoff Haacke
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Message no. 8
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:18:55 -0500
does anyone know of a character generator for MacOSX (or even for os9?)

getting rid of my winbox and going to sorely miss the chargen app for
windows...
Message no. 9
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:36:22 +0200
Le 18 avr. 2004, à 23:18, Derek Hyde a écrit :

> does anyone know of a character generator for MacOSX (or even for os9?)
>
> getting rid of my winbox and going to sorely miss the chargen app for
> windows...

AFAIK there is none at the moment. I'm learning ObjC/Cocoa though; if
someone decides to start a project to write one, I'd be interested in
joining it.

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 10
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:40:41 -0500
On Apr 18, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Max Noel wrote:

>
> Le 18 avr. 2004, à 23:18, Derek Hyde a écrit :
>
>> does anyone know of a character generator for MacOSX (or even for
>> os9?)
>>
>> getting rid of my winbox and going to sorely miss the chargen app for
>> windows...
>
> AFAIK there is none at the moment. I'm learning ObjC/Cocoa though; if
> someone decides to start a project to write one, I'd be interested in
> joining it.

no good.... :( I don't wanna hafta run VirtualPC on my mac laptop just
so I can keep my SR stuff on it....
Message no. 11
From: tjlanza@************.com (Timothy J. Lanza)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:03:24 -0400
At 05:40 PM 4/18/2004, Derek Hyde wrote:
>On Apr 18, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Max Noel wrote:
>>Le 18 avr. 2004, à 23:18, Derek Hyde a écrit :
>>>does anyone know of a character generator for MacOSX (or even for os9?)
>>>
>>>getting rid of my winbox and going to sorely miss the chargen app for
>>>windows...
>>
>> AFAIK there is none at the moment. I'm learning ObjC/Cocoa
>> though; if someone decides to start a project to write one, I'd be
>> interested in joining it.
>
>no good.... :( I don't wanna hafta run VirtualPC on my mac laptop just so
>I can keep my SR stuff on it....

Object C and Cocoa is what native Mac OS-X applications are written in.

--
Timothy J. Lanza
"When we can't dream any longer, we die." - Emma Goldman
Message no. 12
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:19:36 -0500
On Apr 18, 2004, at 5:03 PM, Timothy J. Lanza wrote:

> At 05:40 PM 4/18/2004, Derek Hyde wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Max Noel wrote:
>>> Le 18 avr. 2004, à 23:18, Derek Hyde a écrit :
>>>> does anyone know of a character generator for MacOSX (or even for
>>>> os9?)
>>>>
>>>> getting rid of my winbox and going to sorely miss the chargen app
>>>> for windows...
>>>
>>> AFAIK there is none at the moment. I'm learning ObjC/Cocoa
>>> though; if someone decides to start a project to write one, I'd be
>>> interested in joining it.
>>
>> no good.... :( I don't wanna hafta run VirtualPC on my mac laptop
>> just so I can keep my SR stuff on it....
>
> Object C and Cocoa is what native Mac OS-X applications are written in.

yes, I know, but if there isn't a generator then I'll have to use
virtualPC so I can put win98 or something like that on my mac so I can
still use the old generator
Message no. 13
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 02:34:19 +0200
> Object C and Cocoa is what native Mac OS-X applications are written in.

<nitpick> Actually, you can also write native OSX apps in C/C++, as
those languages are easy to interconnect with Objective-C. You can even
write pure C/C++ progs if you use the Carbon API.</nitpick>

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 14
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:00:33 -0500
k.....so is there any easy way to convert visual basic into something
that runs on a mac? i.e. realbasic or something like that?


On Apr 18, 2004, at 7:34 PM, Max Noel wrote:

>> Object C and Cocoa is what native Mac OS-X applications are written
>> in.
>
> <nitpick> Actually, you can also write native OSX apps in C/C++, as
> those languages are easy to interconnect with Objective-C. You can
> even write pure C/C++ progs if you use the Carbon API.</nitpick>
>
> -- Wild_Cat
> maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
> "Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
> and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge
> a perfect, immortal machine?"
>
Message no. 15
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:44:44 +0200
Le 19 avr. 2004, à 04:00, Derek Hyde a écrit :

> k.....so is there any easy way to convert visual basic into something
> that runs on a mac? i.e. realbasic or something like that?

Visual Basic is a 100% proprietary language, wholly controlled by
Microsoft, and programs written in it will only run in Windows (even
then, they require a lot of DLL's). So I'm afraid no.
Then again, why someone would choose to use that abomination of a
programming language is beyond me.

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 16
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:04:23 +0200
According to Derek Hyde, on Monday 19 April 2004 04:00 the word on the
street was...

> k.....so is there any easy way to convert visual basic into something
> that runs on a mac? i.e. realbasic or something like that?

The one time I looked at the web site for Real Basic, it mentioned it can
import Visual Basic code. As I've never used it, I have no idea how well
this will work, or if it'd work on non-Windows machines, but there is at
least the possibility that it does.

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Message no. 17
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:07:21 +0200
According to Max Noel, on Monday 19 April 2004 09:44 the word on the street
was...

> Then again, why someone would choose to use that abomination of a
> programming language is beyond me.

Because it's easy to learn and fairly easy to use? I looked at using
C(+++++whatever) once, and can't make heads or tails of what I even need
to write and compile a program. This is probably because I haven't
bothered buying a 500-page book on the subject, but I do know that I
taught myself VB using nothing but my fairly limited knowledge of Sinclair
Basic and VB's help files. Which is why I use Python these days :)

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Message no. 18
From: james@****.uow.edu.au (James Niall Zealey)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:11:24 +1000
> Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
>
> Because it's easy to learn and fairly easy to use? I looked at using
> C(+++++whatever) once, and can't make heads or tails of what I even need
> to write and compile a program. This is probably because I haven't
> bothered buying a 500-page book on the subject, but I do know that I
> taught myself VB using nothing but my fairly limited knowledge of Sinclair
> Basic and VB's help files. Which is why I use Python these days :)
>

If you're willing to use microsoft's tools, then all you need is visual
c++. It's pretty much the same as vb, but you have to select the option
to just give you a normal program first.

Personally I don't see why people don't just use java. Way easier than
VC++, way more powerful than VB. And it runs on any system you want to
use it on (as long as they've installed java... which isn't difficult)
Message no. 19
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:59:33 +0200
According to James Niall Zealey, on Tuesday 20 April 2004 01:11 the word on
the street was...

> If you're willing to use microsoft's tools, then all you need is visual
> c++. It's pretty much the same as vb, but you have to select the option
> to just give you a normal program first.

Except that the reason I looked into C was because I wanted to write Linux
software. I've got this feeling Visual C++ won't let you do that :)

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Message no. 20
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:40:36 +0200
G> According to James Niall Zealey, on Tuesday 20 April 2004 01:11 the word on
G> the street was...

>> If you're willing to use microsoft's tools, then all you need is visual
>> c++. It's pretty much the same as vb, but you have to select the option
>> to just give you a normal program first.

G> Except that the reason I looked into C was because I wanted to write Linux
G> software. I've got this feeling Visual C++ won't let you do that :)


---------------------------------------------

write code with Microsoft Visual Studio and compile it with gcc, that
should work if you look out for pittfalls like functions only
implemented for MS Products, maybe its a good idea to cross check
functions which are uncommon to you.
Message no. 21
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:47:45 +0200
According to Hexren, on Tuesday 20 April 2004 16:40 the word on the street
was...

> write code with Microsoft Visual Studio and compile it with gcc, that
> should work if you look out for pittfalls like functions only
> implemented for MS Products, maybe its a good idea to cross check
> functions which are uncommon to you.

This assumes I know what I'm doing, while in fact my knowledge only goes as
deep as "./configure, make, make install" :) Not to mention that I don't
think it'd be very handy to have to keep re-booting your computer just to
see if the latest change to the program actually works as it's supposed
to...

Although I must say that Real Basic seems to look promising...

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-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

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O V? PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D+ G+ e h! !r y?
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Message no. 22
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:55:40 +0200
G> According to Hexren, on Tuesday 20 April 2004 16:40 the word on the street
G> was...

>> write code with Microsoft Visual Studio and compile it with gcc, that
>> should work if you look out for pittfalls like functions only
>> implemented for MS Products, maybe its a good idea to cross check
>> functions which are uncommon to you.

G> This assumes I know what I'm doing, while in fact my knowledge only goes as
G> deep as "./configure, make, make install" :) Not to mention that I don't
G> think it'd be very handy to have to keep re-booting your computer just to
G> see if the latest change to the program actually works as it's supposed
G> to...

G> Although I must say that Real Basic seems to look promising...


---------------------------------------------,

Well what are you programming then ?
But yes if you have a dual boot system what I suggested is
impractical. Maybe use Borland ?
Message no. 23
From: adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:00:55 -0400
On 20-Apr-04, at 1:47 PM, Gurth wrote:

> Although I must say that Real Basic seems to look promising...

I've goofed around with RealBasic a little bit, and I think it should
suit your needs fine. I was able to quickly create cross-platform apps,
although the 'look and feel' is a little bit off - if you were doing
really polished stuff, you'd probably need to write some OS-specific
code to properly align widgets - that or know the GUI-building tools
better than I do... which wouldn't be too difficult. :)

Best,
Adam

--
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Editor, The Shadowrun Supplemental :: http://tss.dumpshock.com
Message no. 24
From: me@******.net (Hexren)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:15:02 +0200
---------------------------------------------

is the mentioned chargen app avaiable in source ?
Message no. 25
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:48:36 +0200
According to Hexren, on Tuesday 20 April 2004 19:55 the word on the street
was...

> Well what are you programming then ?

Nothing specific, really :)


According to Adam Jury, on Tuesday 20 April 2004 20:00 the word on the
street was...

> I've goofed around with RealBasic a little bit, and I think it should
> suit your needs fine.

Thanks for the confirmation :) Now all I need to do is find a copy to try
out somewhere...

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Message no. 26
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:22:00 -0500
On Apr 19, 2004, at 2:44 AM, Max Noel wrote:

>
> Le 19 avr. 2004, à 04:00, Derek Hyde a écrit :
>
>> k.....so is there any easy way to convert visual basic into something
>> that runs on a mac? i.e. realbasic or something like that?
>
> Visual Basic is a 100% proprietary language, wholly controlled by
> Microsoft, and programs written in it will only run in Windows (even
> then, they require a lot of DLL's). So I'm afraid no.
> Then again, why someone would choose to use that abomination of a
> programming language is beyond me.
>
>
that may be the case but it's what nsrcg was written in so......that's
what I'm trying to figure out how to convert
Message no. 27
From: datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:25:27 -0500
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:47:45 +0200, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:

> According to Hexren, on Tuesday 20 April 2004 16:40 the word on the
> street
> was...
>
>> write code with Microsoft Visual Studio and compile it with gcc, that

My students are doing that very thing. Many of them use Visual Studio to
write their assignments, although they can use what they please, but my
auto-grading script compiles with gcc and runs on a linux machine.

Me? I write code in jEdit and compile using gcc on my windows box. Of
course, since both of those are cross-platform apps, I do the same if I
happen to be using a linux box. Having never had occasion or use a Mac
for development, I can't say I'd do the same, but I should be able to.

>> should work if you look out for pittfalls like functions only
>> implemented for MS Products, maybe its a good idea to cross check
>> functions which are uncommon to you.

Or, just write according to the *standard*. Although buying the actual
standard from ISO is way too expensive, there are some great online
version of the standard. If you follow them, you don't have to worry
about one particular compiler rejecting your code.

> This assumes I know what I'm doing, while in fact my knowledge only goes
> as
> deep as "./configure, make, make install"

No need to do even that when installing cygwin and gcc, vim, or emacs
under that. You just 2xClick setup.exe choose your mirror and what to
install and it just works. [Well, 'cept for X.]

> Not to mention that I don't
> think it'd be very handy to have to keep re-booting your computer just to
> see if the latest change to the program actually works as it's supposed
> to...

Just use gcc under cygwin or djgpp, both are easy ways to get gcc running
under windows.

--
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Message no. 28
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:18:56 +0200
Le 21 avr. 2004, à 21:25, Da Twink Daddy a écrit :

> Just use gcc under cygwin or djgpp, both are easy ways to get gcc
> running under windows.

There's also Dev-C++ from Bloodshed Software, a free Windows IDE which
uses gcc as a C/C++ compiler.

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"


--
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"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 29
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:36:34 -0500
> Le 21 avr. 2004, à 21:25, Da Twink Daddy a écrit :
>
>> Just use gcc under cygwin or djgpp, both are easy ways to get gcc
>> running under windows.
>
> There's also Dev-C++ from Bloodshed Software, a free Windows IDE
> which uses gcc as a C/C++ compiler.
>
any idea whether or not the xcode tools disc with macOS 10.3 is worth
loading in an attempt to convert the app?
Message no. 30
From: james@****.uow.edu.au (James Niall Zealey)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:06:54 +1000
> Hexren <me@******.net>
>
> write code with Microsoft Visual Studio and compile it with gcc, that
> should work if you look out for pittfalls like functions only
> implemented for MS Products, maybe its a good idea to cross check
> functions which are uncommon to you.
>
>

If you're going to do this, you may as well just find a nice linux-based
editor and go with that. Once you've stopped using microsoft's
proprietary functions, you've basically given away any reason to use
their suite.
Message no. 31
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:52:09 -0500
>
>> I've goofed around with RealBasic a little bit, and I think it should
>> suit your needs fine.
>
> Thanks for the confirmation :) Now all I need to do is find a copy to
> try
> out somewhere...
>
well.....there's good news for you gurth, and great news for any of the
mac-users that've been wanting a character generator....

for gurth...

www.realbasic.com

you can download a demo version from there as well as the visual basic
convertor, which, from what I can tell, takes VB sourcecode and
modifies it to work with realbasic....which brings me to the good news
for the mac users such as myself....

I've contacted the person that wrote the NSRCG and requested the
sourcecode for the app and will be converting it to realbasic and,
provided he's willing to go along with it, will do the conversion and
tweaking myself and will get it compiled and able to be used and will
have him put it back up on his site since it's his program, I'll have
just ported it to a better operating system ;)
Message no. 32
From: datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:21:30 -0500
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:06:54 +1000, James Niall Zealey
<james@****.uow.edu.au> wrote:

>> Hexren <me@******.net>
> >
>> write code with Microsoft Visual Studio and compile it with gcc, that
>> should work if you look out for pittfalls like functions only
>> implemented for MS Products, maybe its a good idea to cross check
>> functions which are uncommon to you.
>>
>>
>
> If you're going to do this, you may as well just find a nice linux-based
> editor and go with that. Once you've stopped using microsoft's
> proprietary functions, you've basically given away any reason to use
> their suite.

Not really. The intellisense features along with the incremental compiler
and linker are sohpisticated tools that make sense to use even if you are
coding to the standard. Some IDEs attempt to emulate intellisense (and
I'm sure some have them before MSVC) but I haven't used an IDE or editor
plugin that did as good a job. Incremental compile and link has to be
built into the compiler, and it doesn't really make sense with gcc's
interface, so any gcc front-end will lack them as will any non-IDE
development suite.

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Message no. 33
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:18:02 +0200
Le 22 avr. 2004, à 10:21, Da Twink Daddy a écrit :

> Not really. The intellisense features along with the incremental
> compiler and linker are sohpisticated tools that make sense to use
> even if you are coding to the standard. Some IDEs attempt to emulate
> intellisense (and I'm sure some have them before MSVC) but I haven't
> used an IDE or editor plugin that did as good a job. Incremental
> compile and link has to be built into the compiler, and it doesn't
> really make sense with gcc's interface, so any gcc front-end will lack
> them as will any non-IDE development suite.

XCode seems to be doing it just fine. It's got some cool features,
such as ZeroLink (run without linking), predictive compiling or being
able to modify a program while it's running (all of this for debug
builds, of course). It uses GCC, and comes for free with OS X 10.3.

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 34
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:24:57 +0200
Le 22 avr. 2004, à 05:52, Derek Hyde a écrit :

> I've contacted the person that wrote the NSRCG and requested the
> sourcecode for the app and will be converting it to realbasic and,
> provided he's willing to go along with it, will do the conversion and
> tweaking myself and will get it compiled and able to be used and will
> have him put it back up on his site since it's his program, I'll have
> just ported it to a better operating system ;)

That's strange, I could have sworn it was written in C/C++ using MFC
classes, not in VB... If that's the case, it could become harder to
convert to RealBasic, but then it might be possible to re-use the
backend, and rewrite the frontend to use Cocoa or Carbon.
In any case, good luck with your project. I still think I'll write a
Cocoa chargen app once I've finished learning it, though.

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr at yahoo dot fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 35
From: d_hyde@***.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:36:21 -0500
On Apr 22, 2004, at 5:24 AM, Max Noel wrote:

>
> That's strange, I could have sworn it was written in C/C++ using MFC
> classes, not in VB... If that's the case, it could become harder to
> convert to RealBasic, but then it might be possible to re-use the
> backend, and rewrite the frontend to use Cocoa or Carbon.
> In any case, good luck with your project. I still think I'll write a
> Cocoa chargen app once I've finished learning it, though.
>
nope, he says it's visual basic 6, so that should be good for
realbasic, and I've started tinkering in xcode tools too in an attempt
to see if I can't come up with a new version of it as well....although,
if I'm going to have to hard code it all, I'm definatly not going to
put all the time and pain into putting all of the netbooks info in it,
and probably just the 3rd edition books....unless of course I can get
it to use the NSRCG's dat files which he's said were free to use as
needed
Message no. 36
From: datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:52:59 -0500
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:18:02 +0200, Max Noel <maxnoel_fr@*****.fr> wrote:

>
> Le 22 avr. 2004, à 10:21, Da Twink Daddy a écrit :
>
>> Not really. The intellisense features along with the incremental
>> compiler and linker are sohpisticated tools that make sense to use even
>> if you are coding to the standard. Some IDEs attempt to emulate
>> intellisense (and I'm sure some have them before MSVC) but I haven't
>> used an IDE or editor plugin that did as good a job. Incremental
>> compile and link has to be built into the compiler, and it doesn't
>> really make sense with gcc's interface, so any gcc front-end will lack
>> them as will any non-IDE development suite.
>
> XCode seems to be doing it just fine. It's got some cool features, such
> as ZeroLink (run without linking), predictive compiling or being able to
> modify a program while it's running (all of this for debug builds, of
> course). It uses GCC, and comes for free with OS X 10.3.

Clearly it is far more than a GCC front-end. Zerolink would certainly
require some changes to the object file generation (replacing static
function calls with the equivalent of a dll call). I'm not sure what
predictive compiling is, but it sounds a lot like prefetching in a web
browser, great when the app is running alone, not so great if you are
multi-tasking.

Still it sounds really awesome. I'm glad there's a good, free IDE
available for Mac OS X.

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Message no. 37
From: connor@*******.com (Adam Brown)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:06:17 -0500
> In any case, good luck with your project. I still think I'll write a
> Cocoa chargen app once I've finished learning it, though.
>
> -- Wild_Cat

I've been in the process of brushing up my programming skills and
trying to learn the whole Obj-C/Cocoa stuff. I plan on trying to do a
chargen app in the near future and perhaps we should see if our goals
and ideas are compatible enough to put our heads together and focus our
efforts on a single app.

I'm hoping once the semester ends I'll be familiar enough to start work
on it anyways. So, if anyone's interested in talking it up, email me
privately.
Message no. 38
From: connor@*******.com (Adam Brown)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:09:32 -0500
On Apr 23, 2004, at 04:06 AM, Adam Brown wrote:

>> In any case, good luck with your project. I still think I'll write a
>> Cocoa chargen app once I've finished learning it, though.
>>
>> -- Wild_Cat
>
> I've been in the process of brushing up my programming skills and
> trying to learn the whole Obj-C/Cocoa stuff. I plan on trying to do a
> chargen app in the near future and perhaps we should see if our goals
> and ideas are compatible enough to put our heads together and focus
> our efforts on a single app.
>
> I'm hoping once the semester ends I'll be familiar enough to start
> work on it anyways. So, if anyone's interested in talking it up, email
> me privately.

oops, lost my sig... the email is connor@*******.com

--
Adam Brown
connor@*******.com
Message no. 39
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: A Quick Question
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:21:00 +0200
Le 22 avr. 2004, à 18:52, Da Twink Daddy a écrit :

> Clearly it is far more than a GCC front-end. Zerolink would certainly
> require some changes to the object file generation (replacing static
> function calls with the equivalent of a dll call).

I'm not sure exactly how XCode does this; it seems to be generating
what it calls a "Zerolink launcher", which I assume is some sort of
dynamically linked executable.

> I'm not sure what predictive compiling is, but it sounds a lot like
> prefetching in a web browser, great when the app is running alone, not
> so great if you are multi-tasking.

More or less, yes. Single-CPU machines take quite a performance hit
when it's activated, which is why I don't use it. Besides, my programs
aren't exactly huge (yet) and don't require a lot of time to compile
anyway.

--
Wild_Cat
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"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"

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