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Message no. 1
From: bd_92@*****.com (b d)
Subject: Arcology Floor Height [was Re: ShadowRN Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1]
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:39:11 -0700 (PDT)
--- JS Bracher <JSB@**************.net> wrote:
> 2cm flooring is really small. Even with future tech
> materials, 2cm might
> not support lots of weight. I've worked in file
> rooms in skyscrapers, and
> those rooms have reinforced floors to support the
> weight of all the
> paper. And that is with modern materials. Now in
> the future I'm sure
> we'll finally have paperless offices, but there is
> still the weight of
> people + furniture to carry.
>
> A way to get around the lack of space for ducting in
> floors is to put it
> all in walls. This means thicker walls, and rooms
> stacked in the building
> to accommodate this. This is already done in some
> modern
> construction. All the bathrooms + kitchens (all
> rooms that need water
> in/out) are in a "column" in the building, so only
> one wall has to be wide
> enough to run the piping. Wiring is different, of
> course. But you can
> pack a lot of wiring into a 5x10cm space. Just have
> lots of such conduits
> running up and down. This would also serve to
> maintain current in the case
> of failure. Circuits would be vertical, not
> horizontal. If you took out a
> conduit, power would fail in an area covering
> several floors, but on a
> given floor, you could just go next door and have
> power again. This would
> mean runners trying to black out a floor would have
> a much tougher time.
>
> I'm still stuck on 2cm floors. That's not even an
> inch. Could it be a
> typo? 20cm is much more useful. That is space
> enough for flooring/ceiling
> material, joists, and ducting.
>


That's what the troll posted in the arcology
walkthrough when all the deckers talked about it. Heck
we are rewriting it so let's just nix it, put in 6cm
worth of space and design it better. rememmber this
whole place is modular i.e. SCIRE so everything
including the walls can be changed and modified on a
moments notcie. I would still say everything would
come from overhead and run down into the walls and
have the walls themselves hold the plugs and outlets.

Pillars would work but how would that fit into the
modularity of the arcology.

PS a ziggaraunt is like a pyrmiad only squatter and
more stable. Not as steep as a pyrmaid..

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Message no. 2
From: rifter72@*****.com (Michael Brabitz)
Subject: Arcology Floor Height [was Re: ShadowRN Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1]
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:09:40 -0700 (PDT)
--- JS Bracher <JSB@**************.net> wrote:
> 2cm flooring is really small. Even with future tech
> materials, 2cm might
> not support lots of weight. I've worked in file

2cm wouldn't cut it, you would need between 18" to 48"
for the flooring depented on which floor.

> rooms in skyscrapers, and
> those rooms have reinforced floors to support the
> weight of all the
> paper. And that is with modern materials. Now in
> the future I'm sure
> we'll finally have paperless offices, but there is
> still the weight of
> people + furniture to carry.
>
> A way to get around the lack of space for ducting in
> floors is to put it
> all in walls. This means thicker walls, and rooms
> stacked in the building
> to accommodate this. This is already done in some
> modern
> construction. All the bathrooms + kitchens (all
> rooms that need water
> in/out) are in a "column" in the building, so only
> one wall has to be wide
> enough to run the piping. Wiring is different, of
> course. But you can
> pack a lot of wiring into a 5x10cm space. Just have
> lots of such conduits
> running up and down. This would also serve to
> maintain current in the case
> of failure. Circuits would be vertical, not
> horizontal. If you took out a
> conduit, power would fail in an area covering
> several floors, but on a
> given floor, you could just go next door and have
> power again. This would
> mean runners trying to black out a floor would have
> a much tougher time.
>
> I'm still stuck on 2cm floors. That's not even an
> inch. Could it be a
> typo? 20cm is much more useful. That is space
> enough for flooring/ceiling
> material, joists, and ducting.
>
> At 09:10 AM 9/19/2002 -0700, b d wrote:
>
> >--- Anders Swenson <anders@**********.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:13:29 -0700 (PDT)
> > > b d <bd_92@*****.com> wrote:
> > > > I just read the book last nite. It said the
> floors
> > > on
> > > > avg were 2.8m tall, whether that is correct or
> not
> > > > remains to be seen but the building is mostly
> made
> > > for
> > > > humanoids of shorter stature than a troll and
> the
> > > > stance of renraku has been quite standoffish
> when
> > > it
> > > > comes to metahumans....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > So Trolls are not accommodated. OK, what's the
> > > standard for space
> > > between skyscraper floors?
> > > --Anders
> >
> >
> >currently or in the book? The book said 2.8 with
> 2cm
> >for thickness in the flooring structure. I would
> say
> >that the arcology is much taller as you would have
> to
> >have room to put in cable, water pipes etc. and i
> >highly doubt 2cm is enough space to do that in.
> >
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Message no. 3
From: Gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Arcology Floor Height [was Re: ShadowRN Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1]
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:17:08 +0200
According to JS Bracher, on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 the word on the street was...

> >ziggaraunt
>
> ziggaraut

Just so all of you know and can adjust your spelling, the word is
"ziggurat" :)

> In addition to moving power, water & sewage, we also need to move
> air. Lots of air. In and out. Not only for respiration of those
> inside, but also for heating and cooling. This is an enclosed space.
> The building and and enclosed air mass will get very warm from the heat
> of the bodies and lights and appliances. So we need to move the air out
> to cool the building (and people) and we need to get fresh/cool air in.
> These ducts are the largest in modern buildings, and nothing modern comes
> close to the size of this structure.

But you don't need to put the huge pipes under the ceiling. Instead, you
can devote a central (vertical) core of the building to it, or (in a
building like the Arcology) set floorspace aside for it.

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