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Message no. 1
From: Jamz Jamz@*********.Net
Subject: Armor on the Astral Plane...
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:05:29 -0500
Per SR3, it states that Dual Natured creatures get their natural armor
on the Astral Plane. No biggy. Does this only apply to critters like dragons
and such? How about spirits (like true form insect spirits :) that when they
materialize on the physical plane, they get a natural armor (along with
their ItnW).
Do critters & spirits that have armor on the Astral plane, do they get
this armor for ALL attacks (astral combat & mana spells)?

One more thing while I'm on the armor kick...if you summon a greater
elemental with invocation per mits, and assign it say 2 points of armor...I
take it that these two points of armor are just added to the ItnW armor
value?? It doesn't really say, Steve?

Peace,
Jamz@*********.net
http://www.comnetcom.net/~jamz


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Message no. 2
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Armor on the Astral Plane...
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:36:04 -0500
: Per SR3, it states that Dual Natured creatures get their natural armor
:on the Astral Plane. No biggy. Does this only apply to critters like
dragons
:and such? How about spirits (like true form insect spirits :) that when
they
:materialize on the physical plane, they get a natural armor (along with
:their ItnW).

I'd say it aplies to bugs and dragons alike. When projecting, dual
natures would get "astral armor" if they had it (they do not get to use this
power whan dual) and would NOT get thier natural (physical) armor, I'd say.

: Do critters & spirits that have armor on the Astral plane, do they get
:this armor for ALL attacks (astral combat & mana spells)?

Astral combat, yes- that works like melee. Mana spells, no- normal
armor a dual might have does not affect those, afaik. "Astral Armor" might
work against mana spells and the like, although it does not mention
specifically that it should.

: One more thing while I'm on the armor kick...if you summon a greater
:elemental with invocation per mits, and assign it say 2 points of armor...I
:take it that these two points of armor are just added to the ItnW armor
:value?? It doesn't really say, Steve?

They would be like an Bug spirits armor, IMO. This is because all those
benefits reflect a more powerful physical form. If you want more ITNW,
increase the force of the elemental, which boosts its magical powers, not
its physical form.


Mongoose
Message no. 3
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Armor on the Astral Plane...
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:13:09 +0200
According to Jamz, at 14:05 on 30 Jun 99, the word on
the street was...

> Per SR3, it states that Dual Natured creatures get their natural
> armor on the Astral Plane. No biggy. Does this only apply to critters
> like dragons and such? How about spirits (like true form insect spirits
> :) that when they materialize on the physical plane, they get a natural
> armor (along with their ItnW).

All dual-nature critters that have natural armor also get it on the
astral. Dragons, certainly, but also insect spirits or any other creature
with natural armor. Armor that comes from Immunity to Normal Weapons power
would not work on the astral plane. Well, it might work (who knows?), but
they'll never get attacked with a normal weapon from the astral plane, so
it's easiest to say it doesn't work there.

> Do critters & spirits that have armor on the Astral plane, do they get
> this armor for ALL attacks (astral combat & mana spells)?

Spells are never affected by armor, so even mana spells cast at them from
the astral plane would not be affected by it.

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Message no. 4
From: Jamz Jamz@*********.Net
Subject: Armor on the Astral Plane...
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:07:14 -0500
> All dual-nature critters that have natural armor also get it on the
> astral. Dragons, certainly, but also insect spirits or any other creature
> with natural armor. Armor that comes from Immunity to Normal Weapons power
> would not work on the astral plane. Well, it might work (who knows?), but
> they'll never get attacked with a normal weapon from the astral plane, so
> it's easiest to say it doesn't work there.

So, in the case of True Form Bug Spirits, they're actually stronger once
they materialize? In effect, a PhysAd's best chance to hurt it with killing
hands would be when it's Astral only and before it materializes?

-Jamz
Message no. 5
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Armor on the Astral Plane...
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:41:37 +0200
According to Jamz, at 11:07 on 2 Jul 99, the word on
the street was...

> So, in the case of True Form Bug Spirits, they're actually stronger once
> they materialize? In effect, a PhysAd's best chance to hurt it with killing
> hands would be when it's Astral only and before it materializes?

That goes for most spirits. Earth elementals, for example, are harder to
kill when manifest (Body: F+4, Willpower: F, and ItNW) than when in astral
space (Body: F, Willpower: F, no immunity). With insect spirits the
differences between physical and astral forms are greater, but the basic
principle is the same.

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Message no. 6
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Armor on the Astral Plane...
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:03:15 -0500
:> All dual-nature critters that have natural armor also get it on the
:> astral. Dragons, certainly, but also insect spirits or any other creature
:> with natural armor. Armor that comes from Immunity to Normal Weapons
power
:> would not work on the astral plane. Well, it might work (who knows?), but
:> they'll never get attacked with a normal weapon from the astral plane, so
:> it's easiest to say it doesn't work there.
:
:So, in the case of True Form Bug Spirits, they're actually stronger once
:they materialize? In effect, a PhysAd's best chance to hurt it with
killing
:hands would be when it's Astral only and before it materializes?

Yes, if he can reach the astral form, that's a good move. That is true
for MANY spirits- manifest fire elementals have "flame aura", but thats no
probelm when they are purely astral. The physad would need astral
perception to do so, of course.
It is odd that a Bug fights against an astral mage more effectively
after manifesting- but if it did so, the mage could just back out of reach
and blast it with spells.

Mongoose
Message no. 7
From: Jamz Jamz@*********.Net
Subject: Armor on the Astral Plane...
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:29:30 -0500
> :> All dual-nature critters that have natural armor also get it on the
> :> astral. Dragons, certainly, but also insect spirits or any other
creature
> :> with natural armor. Armor that comes from Immunity to Normal Weapons
> power
> :> would not work on the astral plane. Well, it might work (who knows?),
but
> :> they'll never get attacked with a normal weapon from the astral plane,
so
> :> it's easiest to say it doesn't work there.
> :
> :So, in the case of True Form Bug Spirits, they're actually stronger once
> :they materialize? In effect, a PhysAd's best chance to hurt it with
> killing
> :hands would be when it's Astral only and before it materializes?
>
> Yes, if he can reach the astral form, that's a good move. That is
true
> for MANY spirits- manifest fire elementals have "flame aura", but thats no
> probelm when they are purely astral. The physad would need astral
> perception to do so, of course.
> It is odd that a Bug fights against an astral mage more effectively
> after manifesting- but if it did so, the mage could just back out of reach
> and blast it with spells.

I can see that it can get many benifits from materializing all of which
helps the spirit from being killed while on the physical plane. It's just
that spirits hate materializing and would rather stay on the astral plane. I
always believed that spirits where more powerful or it was more dangerous to
fight them on the astral plane and couldn't see why they would get added
benifits (on the astral side) when materializing.
I guess one way of looking at it is that the materialized essense on the
physical plane enshroud the astral form giving it protection while it's
astral self is bound and limited to the physical form it created??
I guess it's not so much of a rules question but more of a way of
thinking, trying to keep all the magic rules in a consistant theme of
thought...

Peace,
Jamz@*********.net
http://www.comnetcom.net/~jamz

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