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Message no. 1
From: Dwayne MacKinnon <910252m@******.ACADIAU.CA>
Subject: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 17:06:09 -0400
Well,
My subject line pretty much says it all..... when you armor plate a
vehicle, do you consider the plating noticeable? This is quite important,
IMHO..... a rigger normally wants a nice, inconspicuous rigged car for
the minor stuff, but he (or she, let's not be sexist :) will still want to
armor the sucker somewhat. So what's the opinion? Can a person tell by
looking at a vehicle that it's been armored?

DMK

--
"I can't afford to make any exceptions. Once word gets out that a pirate has
gone soft people start to disobey him and it's nothing but work, work, work
all the time." - The Man in Black, from The Princess Bride

Dwayne MacKinnon My opinions are my own, never
910252m@******.acadiau.ca those of my employer.
Message no. 2
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:37:09 +1100
DMK writes:

> My subject line pretty much says it all..... when you armor plate a
> vehicle, do you consider the plating noticeable? This is quite important,
> IMHO..... a rigger normally wants a nice, inconspicuous rigged car for
> the minor stuff, but he (or she, let's not be sexist :) will still want to
> armor the sucker somewhat. So what's the opinion? Can a person tell by
> looking at a vehicle that it's been armored?

Take a sqiz in the RBB, and you'll see that many vehicles have armour and it
is very inconspicuous. However, if you were to start to put on extra armour
plating, then I think that it would be noticable. Maybe one point more could
be added without obviousness, but any more than that I would say would be
evident to anyone observing.

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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Message no. 3
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:22:30 EST
Damion writes:

> Maybe one point more could
> be added without obviousness, but any more than that I would say
would be
> evident to anyone observing.

Maybe not. A lot can be done with paint and body work. And the RBB
does not say wether adding armor is actually _adding_armor plate.
Maybe the plate is just stronger and possibly a little thicker. Kinda
like adding memory in decks. You do not add more chips, you add it
in one big block.

Another question. In the RBB, it says that added armor reduces
speed for every addition point added past a certain threshold. SRII
rules state that armor is three times that of SRI. Would you make
these speed reductions for every three points or the regular one
point? Seems to me that it would be the former, but FASA is strange
when it comes to vehicle rules.


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Message no. 4
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:56:29 +1100
Shadowdancer writes:

> Maybe not. A lot can be done with paint and body work. And the RBB
> does not say wether adding armor is actually _adding_armor plate.
> Maybe the plate is just stronger and possibly a little thicker. Kinda
> like adding memory in decks. You do not add more chips, you add it
> in one big block.

Yeah, makes sense for vehicles that already have armour. It'd be more effort
and probably more costly though. It'd also be a bit more difficult for
vehicles that didn't have armour to begin with too.

> Another question. In the RBB, it says that added armor reduces
> speed for every addition point added past a certain threshold. SRII
> rules state that armor is three times that of SRI. Would you make
> these speed reductions for every three points or the regular one
> point? Seems to me that it would be the former, but FASA is strange
> when it comes to vehicle rules.

Modify your vehicle as per the RBB, do everything as per the RBB, then just
take the armour rating and triple it. So, no, the speed reduction isn't
tripled.

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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Message no. 5
From: "Wow, Reality. That's a switch" <MHILLIARD@****.ALBION.EDU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:47:57 -0500
I read somewhere that the US Navy has used a kind of foamed kevlar to
retrofit older ships with extra armor. This certainly wouldn't be noticable.
Most likely other kinds of soft armor have been developed in the Shadowrun
universe-hell, if you're rich enough, dikote your car! =)

Phelan
Message no. 6
From: The GREAT Cornholio <mruane@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:28:35 -0700
On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Shadowdancer wrote:

> Another question. In the RBB, it says that added armor reduces
> speed for every addition point added past a certain threshold. SRII
> rules state that armor is three times that of SRI. Would you make
> these speed reductions for every three points or the regular one
> point? Seems to me that it would be the former, but FASA is strange
> when it comes to vehicle rules.

I'd have to say that the armor value is tripled and the penalty is only
applied to one point, not the three. One point of armor=3 points in SRII.

Mike

P.S. Coco IS cuckoo. Poor old Jerry Springer is going to be eaten by
Coco.
Message no. 7
From: Matt Hufstetler <gt2778a@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 01:19:37 -0500
>
> Damion writes:
>
> > Maybe one point more could
> > be added without obviousness, but any more than that I would say
> would be
> > evident to anyone observing.
>
> Maybe not. A lot can be done with paint and body work. And the RBB
> does not say wether adding armor is actually _adding_armor plate.
> Maybe the plate is just stronger and possibly a little thicker. Kinda
> like adding memory in decks. You do not add more chips, you add it
> in one big block.
>

Yeah, but if the street cop comes up and kicks yer van.... well, then
things could get conspicuous.

Matt H.
Message no. 8
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:48:57 +1100
Pelan writes:

> I read somewhere that the US Navy has used a kind of foamed kevlar to
> retrofit older ships with extra armor. This certainly wouldn't be noticable.

Well, I dunno. If it's foamed it could quite well be bulky, and having
plastic stuff stuck on the side of your sedan would be a tad odd.

> Most likely other kinds of soft armor have been developed in the Shadowrun
> universe-hell, if you're rich enough, dikote your car! =)

Hmmm, dikoted cars. Expensive, flashy, you'll never need to redo the
paintwork again, but dikote ain't that effective, no way in hell the expense
would be warranted from a purely armour rating point of view. For the style
on the other hand... :-)

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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Message no. 9
From: Star <KADAMS@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:03:19 EST
Phelan writes:
> I read somewhere that the US Navy has used a kind of foamed
kevlar to
> retrofit older ships with extra armor. This certainly wouldn't be
noticable.
> Most likely other kinds of soft armor have been developed in the
Shadowrun
> universe-hell, if you're rich enough, dikote your car! =)

How would you open your doors? Seriously though. How much would
the armour increase? And would it be worth the nuyen?
Your friendly celestial orb,
Star
Message no. 10
From: Matt Hufstetler <gt2778a@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:48:39 -0500
>
> Phelan writes:
> > I read somewhere that the US Navy has used a kind of foamed
> kevlar to
> > retrofit older ships with extra armor. This certainly wouldn't be
> noticable.
> > Most likely other kinds of soft armor have been developed in the
> Shadowrun
> > universe-hell, if you're rich enough, dikote your car! =)
>
> How would you open your doors? Seriously though. How much would
> the armour increase? And would it be worth the nuyen?
> Your friendly celestial orb,
> Star
>
Yeah, but you would NEVER have to wax the damn thing again......
Matt H.
Message no. 11
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:21:25 +1100
Star writes:

> How would you open your doors? Seriously though. How much would
> the armour increase? And would it be worth the nuyen?

Well, you could open your doors providing that you were not silly enough to
dikote them all closed - dikote each part separately. As for the armour
increase, well, it wouldn't be a hell of a lot. Dikote adds, what, about +1
Ballistic and Impact? That's equivalent to +1 Body effectively for a
vehicle, not even vehicular armour. And, no, for the protection value alone
it would most certainly not be worth the money. (Look pretty darn impressive
though.)

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Damion Milliken University of Wollongong e-mail: u9467882@***.edu.au

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Message no. 12
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Armor Plating - Noticeable?
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:21:32 EST
Star writes:

> How would you open your doors? Seriously though. How much
would
> the armour increase? And would it be worth the nuyen?

Dikote only increase barriers by 1. So your Nightsky would have an
armor rating of 10 rather then 9. And no, it is not worth it. 1000=Y=
for 100sq.cm. is an enormous sum for an entire car. My
guestimations would bring the surface area to about 50-60 sq.meters!
(only a guess!!!) This brings the cost to 50-60,000 =Y=!!! Like Damion
said, nice paint job, little worth to armor.


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