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Message no. 1
From: Cobra <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Article from France
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 01:18:16 +0200
A french RPG magazine (Casus Belli) published a special article on SR stuff.
The interesting point is that they say (and I don't think they lie... :) it
is approved by FASA.
If you ask me, it sucks. But if you're somehow interested, I can send
something about it to the list.
The general subject is about an organization fighting against horrors by
using some new kind of cyberware...

- Cobra.
Message no. 2
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:23:59 -0700
> If you ask me, it sucks. But if you're somehow interested, I can send
> something about it to the list.
> The general subject is about an organization fighting against horrors by
> using some new kind of cyberware...

I would be interested in hearing more about it...
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The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
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No Matter Where You Go, There You Are. - B.Bonsai
Message no. 3
From: Hedley <hedley@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:14:16 -0500
>A french RPG magazine (Casus Belli) published a special article on SR
stuff.
>The interesting point is that they say (and I don't think they lie... :) it
>is approved by FASA.
>If you ask me, it sucks. But if you're somehow interested, I can send
>something about it to the list.
>The general subject is about an organization fighting against horrors by
>using some new kind of cyberware...


Please do. I'd love to see it.

Hedley
http://box.pcnetinc.com/hedley/shadowrun
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Message no. 4
From: Cobra <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 04:24:07 +0200
>>A french RPG magazine (Casus Belli) published a special article on SR
>stuff.
>>The interesting point is that they say (and I don't think they lie...
>:) it
>>is approved by FASA.
>>If you ask me, it sucks. But if you're somehow interested, I can send
>>something about it to the list.
>>The general subject is about an organization fighting against horrors
>by
>>using some new kind of cyberware...
>
> I'm very interested... parlay vou english, si vou play. :)

"Parlez vous anglais s'il vous plait ?" but it's a good beginning ! :)
Yep. I'll try something better than usual but that's not done ! :)

I won't translate the entire article but will rather try to resume it.
It all begins with a dwarf engineer from SK. He was doing some research
about brand new cyberware when his family was killed by a horrible
creature. He tried to face it and succeeded in capturing it. The reason
given for this success is that the horror played with him and under
estimated him. I would say that the horror must have been a small one (if
this adjective exists for an horror ! :).

He then discovered that others such creatures existed in the world (the
dates given for this article is somewhere during 2058 so I would say it's
after the dragon heart trilogy) and decided to create an organization
dedicated to fighting the horrors.

The organization is quite classic. They keep a close eye on who enters and
always move the HQ (actualy, the HQ is a big copter which never stays on
the same location more than some years). The founder somehow found that the
horrors were trying to open a gate to allow the other ones to enter the
world. To succeed in this ritual, they had to use some nodes of power i.e.
sites where magic is very powerful (there are some exemples in sourcebooks
and/or novels as you already know - In the article, they estimate the
number as no more than 300).


About horrors :
I won't insult you by telling something written in ED, H'back or Horrors
book that you must have read. In the article they gave descriptions of
powers, abilities and weaknesses of horrors which I don't agree with. Here
it is :
* Horrors need a host to survive in the world (the explanation could be a
too low mana level). They somehow consume the corpse (i.e. Essence) they're
in which needs them to always find new hosts. When they enter a body, they
get access to all the skills of the guy and add bonuses to attributes : I
don't have the article here so I'll have to give it later if you really
want 'em.
* They have some usual powers. Nothing really new. I don't remember them
having regeneration but it should be a good add.
* They're immune to magic (all magic ! Even physads')
* Their weaknesses are : Orichalcum and LASER rays (why ? They don't give
any explanation... :( ).

Now let's go on the organization :
The founder (I don't think I'll remember his name - especialy at this
time... :( ) made 2 big discoveries :
* First, he did cyberware enhancements which I really don't like. Here it
is : He used so tatoos to implant cyberware on epiderm. Being implanted on
epiderm gives them the reason to apply a very low essence cost (see below).
In the tatoos, they implant nanomachines to modify organism. Technically,
it gives +2d6 to initiative and +? to quickness (something like 4) applied
on reaction.
With these tatoos, they give big boots and gloves (I think that's the worst
part) that grant other bonuses when worn (they're supposed to work in
conjonction with tatoos). Bonuses are quite monstrous : Something like +5 S
with gloves and +5 B with boots (again, why ?). In addition, gloves have
lasers which do 2L on normal beings but 6S on horrors (!!!) and a gun
firing orichalcum ammo (I don't think they ever saw the cost of orichalcum
!). Boots have mechanism to jump more 6 meters !

The reason why all the members of the organization use this cyberware is
that they need use their essence to detect horrors (using a special gem.
Again, see below). Otherwise, horrors are undetectable. The test is Essence
(4 to 6).
The cost for this is E 1 !!!
* He did (with mages) gems (magical foci) that use a part of the initial
horror he succeded to capture. This gem allow them to detect horrors (with
an essence roll), do a ritual to close the doors (placed on sites of power)
and prevent them from being possessed by horrors.
* More generaly. The organization recruits only *good* people willing to
save the world. They can only be 300 because they use parts of the initial
horror to create the necessary gems. With 300 members, they managed to keep
the horror alive but can't be sure to keep it alive if they create a new
gem. The members aren't well paid and often use to have an other work. They
are all incognito and are called by the HQ. They have no way to call the HQ.

That's it ! Well... Not entirely but it seems a good abstract ! :)
As you can see, it's not very good but perhaps it has some interesting
ideas (hidden somewhere... :)

When I read the article, I thought about some things I'll send you :
* I thought about the initial horror not being imprisonned but rather
manipulating this organization to control useful and powerful individuals.
It would feed on their devotion, their pain (when fighting horrors), their
joys (when successing)... So, why fighting other horrors ?
There are 2 possibilities : The first is that it could begin to like humans
in its own point of view. The other is to keep all this food for itself.
This could seem a bit stupid but not that much. If horrors form some kind
of society, perhaps the hierarchy is given by the number of food they
gathered or by the size of their territory. In both cases, it would become
one of the most powerful if it succeeds to keep earth for itself !
* I'll never allow the piece of cyberware they give because there is
already bioware to enhance characters without essence loss.
* I would make some modifications to horrors : They don't acquire skills
from host (they have their own), each is different from the others, they
aren't vulnerables to LASER rays. And that's only a beginning !

I would like to finish with this : Please FASA, don't make every
proposition official ! If you don't have time to read the proposition (I
can understand it), just don't make it official ! And if you read it, feel
free to add some modifications. :)

- Cobra.
Message no. 5
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:13:57 -0400
<french munchkin article snipped>

Good Lord Man! Epidermal cyberware, battle boots and gloves firing lasers,
and a giant perpetually in the air helicopter as the HQ?!?!?

Actually, I think I can see the flawed logic behind the lasers...horrors
are "darkness," in ED there's that anti-Horror group the Lightbearers
(which this seems to be a SR version, badly done), and since lasers are
focused light, they must surely hurt the darkness of the Horrors more than
normal weapons would! Ack.

That, I can guarantee, did NOT have the approval of Mike Mulvihill at FASA.

I mean that whole thing is just pyscho! How do you say "munchkin" in French?

Ick. No thanks.

Erik J.


"Forgive me FASA for I have sinned. It has been 6 days since I last played
Shadowrun and 15 days since I last bought a SRTCG booster pack."
Message no. 6
From: Cobra <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:33:08 +0200
>Good Lord Man! Epidermal cyberware, battle boots and gloves firing lasers,
>and a giant perpetually in the air helicopter as the HQ?!?!?

Hek. I didn't write it ! I just gave you an abstract. And I warned you ! :)

>Actually, I think I can see the flawed logic behind the lasers...horrors
>are "darkness," in ED there's that anti-Horror group the Lightbearers
>(which this seems to be a SR version, badly done), and since lasers are
>focused light, they must surely hurt the darkness of the Horrors more than
>normal weapons would! Ack.
>
>That, I can guarantee, did NOT have the approval of Mike Mulvihill at FASA.

They wrote it was approved by Mike Mulvihill ! Believe it or not...
I think that because he doesn't like horrors, he didn't spend time to read
this article. Otherwise... Well... I prefer not thinking about it... :)

>I mean that whole thing is just pyscho! How do you say "munchkin" in
French?

The usual term is "Gros Bill". And yep I agree.

- Cobra.
Message no. 7
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:44:37 -0500
At 04:24 AM 97-04-08 +0200, you wrote:
>
>* I would make some modifications to horrors : They don't acquire skills
>from host (they have their own), each is different from the others, they
>aren't vulnerables to LASER rays. And that's only a beginning !

Actually I think Lasers might be the by product of some E-Mail I droped
(some FASA bigwig whose name I can't remember, I think it was Mike) in
which I suggested as there is no physical seperation from a lasers damaged
dealing medium and the body of the caster laser weapons would work simular
to say a bow and arrow when dealing with spirits. Of course if I remember
correctly the FASA guy basically said he didn't think this would work
(though he did give the OK for injecting insectacide into bug spirits via
DMSO weaponry). Of course this makes a certain amount of in game sence.
Dunkezhlan tell Knight about the horrors, night figures out that lasers
will work against them and bingo you see a 2000% reduction in the cost of
an MP III (not to mention a vehicular laser that if I'm interperating the
new rules right does 15S vehicular armor peircing damage. Rather a nice
thing to have if you need to take down a horror don't you think.

SteveD
>
>I would like to finish with this : Please FASA, don't make every
>proposition official ! If you don't have time to read the proposition (I

>can understand it), just don't make it official ! And if you read it, feel
>free to add some modifications. :)
>
> - Cobra.
>
Stephen Delear
University of Missouri-Columbia
Check out my Photo Message Board at http://www.missouri.edu/~c715591
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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:29:29 +0100
And verily, did Cobra hastily scribble thusly...
|
|>Good Lord Man! Epidermal cyberware, battle boots and gloves firing lasers,
|>and a giant perpetually in the air helicopter as the HQ?!?!?
|
|Hek. I didn't write it ! I just gave you an abstract. And I warned you ! :)

I think you meen extract, not abstract....
:)


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Message no. 9
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:41:42 +0000
> |Hek. I didn't write it ! I just gave you an abstract. And I warned you ! :)
>
> I think you meen extract, not abstract....
> :)

Actually, I think he meant abstract. An abstract (in this sense) is
sort of a introductory summary (there's a thought). The term is used
a lot in U.S. scientific papers. [And elsewhere I'm sure, but that's
the only place I've run into it]

-=SwiftOne=-
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie
Message no. 10
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:23:01 -0400
Once upon a time, Brett Borger wrote;

>Actually, I think he meant abstract. An abstract (in this sense) is
>sort of a introductory summary (there's a thought). The term is used
>a lot in U.S. scientific papers. [And elsewhere I'm sure, but that's
>the only place I've run into it]

I've also seen it used in online archives to give an overview for
the software stored there.

-MC23-
Two, TWO uses. Ah, ah, ha! <crashing of thunder>
Message no. 11
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:23:42 +0000
> > |Hek. I didn't write it ! I just gave you an abstract. And I warned you ! :)
> >
> > I think you meen extract, not abstract....
> > :)
>
> Actually, I think he meant abstract. An abstract (in this sense) is
> sort of a introductory summary (there's a thought). The term is used
> a lot in U.S. scientific papers. [And elsewhere I'm sure, but that's
> the only place I've run into it]

You don't mean exerpt ??? Or summary, It seemed to be quite long to
be 'just' an introductory.
What are you, a teacher, a Prof an f*cking IE ??? ;)

PROF. DR DR. h.c. Raven (or what did you think who I am to teach you
???)
<draws his lifetime ticket and beats feet (you all know those
stairs)>
--Raven

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Message no. 12
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:02:49 -0400
At 04:23 PM 4/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
> -MC23-
>Two, TWO uses. Ah, ah, ha! <crashing of thunder>
>

YES!!! Anytime The Count is invoked it's a good thing!

Erik J.

I grew up watching that show...
Message no. 13
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:23:49 -0500
> PROF. DR DR. h.c. Raven (or what did you think who I am to teach you
> ???)
> <draws his lifetime ticket and beats feet (you all know those
> stairs)>

Question... what are these stairs that everyone keeps referring to? I assume
its some in-joke that didn't make it into the FAQ
Message no. 14
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:00:46 EDT
In a message dated 4/9/98 6:31:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
nexx@********.NET writes:

> Question... what are these stairs that everyone keeps referring to? I
assume
> its some in-joke that didn't make it into the FAQ
>
(strange noise, with which after some deductive reasoning is applied, is found
to be the sound of Keith's jaw hitting the desk top)

Wow, I thought everyone knew. I guess they aren't talked about as much as
they once were. Wow, is this where I say "the good ol' days" sounding like
Archie and Edith Bunker???? :)

Nexx, the "Stairs" are the ultimate source of enjoyment and a decreed sacred
sanctum that are nominally supported by Gurth. They've been through many
remodellings, the most recent that I recall being after Barbie's last big
event of "bad boy" finger pointing. They are the only true secure "carp
shelter", with the exception of a snuck in Carp bomb of course :)

Very hard to really describe, you would have had to have been there to hide
within their place of safety to truly understand them.

-K (who is going to quit the melodramatic B$ before he gets himself even more
sick than he already was)
Message no. 15
From: Wyrmy The powerful <elfman@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:26:03 -0500
> Very hard to really describe, you would have had to have been there to hide
> within their place of safety to truly understand them.
>
I've even hid there, I have even snuck in a carp bomb,and launched it at
someone who was trying to carp me as I went in.Talk about
security.(Binder: I still have that anchored Pop Popcorn spell.Comes in
useful for a little 'ole sammy that has only Just began a career as a
sammy.):^)

--
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If you are a dreeamer, a wisher,
A liar, a magic jelly bean buyer,
Come In!
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Message no. 16
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:27:38 -0500
> Wow, I thought everyone knew. I guess they aren't talked about as much as
> they once were. Wow, is this where I say "the good ol' days" sounding like
> Archie and Edith Bunker???? :)

I've only been on the list a few weeks, so I don't know all the in-jokes, yet.
BTW, I'm almost done with my PAoNA update to the Physical Adept powers. I
just have to finish one weakness and type it up.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
************
Yet, I'm also a man who's constantly strivin' for a perfection I'll never
achieve... and probably wouldn't even recognize it if I did.
-Logan, in issue 124 of "Wolverine"
***********
Am Moireach Mor!
Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:47:22 +0100
And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
|
|At 04:23 PM 4/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
|>
|> -MC23-
|>Two, TWO uses. Ah, ah, ha! <crashing of thunder>
|>
|
|YES!!! Anytime The Count is invoked it's a good thing!
|
|Erik J.
|
|I grew up watching that show...
|

Even *I* grew up watching that programme...
Although it's not been the same since they jazzed up the title sequence...
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Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:50:57 +0100
And verily, did Nexx hastily scribble thusly...
|
|> PROF. DR DR. h.c. Raven (or what did you think who I am to teach you
|> ???)
|> <draws his lifetime ticket and beats feet (you all know those
|> stairs)>
|
|Question... what are these stairs that everyone keeps referring to? I assume
|its some in-joke that didn't make it into the FAQ
|

Don't tell me Gurths stairs aren't in the FAQ... PLEASE!
OK... Gurths stairs are a carp proof shelter used by people when it looks
like they deserve a good thwapping. It was originally just a little cubbyhole
but the list members started renovating it, and it's now a nice, home away
from home... TV, Cable, Fridge and lots of comfy cushions...
We also extended it, so it's capable of fitting a lot of us in at once...
(A sort of flame war Carp protection facility...)
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Message no. 19
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:54:58 -0500
At 03:33 AM 98-04-09 +0200, you wrote:
>>Good Lord Man! Epidermal cyberware, battle boots and gloves firing lasers,
>>and a giant perpetually in the air helicopter as the HQ?!?!?
>
>Hek. I didn't write it ! I just gave you an abstract. And I warned you ! :)
>
>
Some ideas are worse the others. On the other hand some form of nuclear
powered Zephalen would make a good backup battle command for a corp (same
model as the plane the US with all the gear to start WWIII. Even if the
ground HQ goes up in flames you can still have your leaders makind
decisions from a relativly safe place). Also I can't see gloves firing
combat lasers but I can see a special glove with a build in "tool kit" one
tool being a small laser (or in the finger of a cyberhand, think jewel
theives here). As for Epidermal cyberware no way would I let somebody have
something that gives +3d6 at .05 essence. On the other hand a tattoo the
excreated some form ot toxin (that the user was somehow protected from) or
some other kind of low level cyber effect could be cool (as could magic,
i.e. the cover from awakenings). I'm not talking about anything overlly
usefull but I like the idea of the Yak hitman who can kill with a touch
from the dragon tattoo on his right hand.

Basically the ideas have applications just not the ones in the adventure.

SteveD
Stephen Delear
University of Missouri-Columbia
Check out my Photo Message Board at http://www.missouri.edu/~c715591
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the shutter" Ansel Adams
Message no. 20
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:08:54 -0500
> I'm not talking about anything overlly
> usefull but I like the idea of the Yak hitman who can kill with a touch
> from the dragon tattoo on his right hand.

Actually, I converted the Venom power for Critters into a Phys Ad
ability, and having it work from a tattoo would be pretty cool.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bardagh
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
************
Yet, I'm also a man who's constantly strivin' for a perfection I'll never
achieve... and probably wouldn't even recognize it if I did.
-Logan, in issue 124 of "Wolverine"
***********
Am Moireach Mor!
Message no. 21
From: Raven <florian.goll@******.UNI-WEIMAR.DE>
Subject: Re: Article from France
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:36:26 +0000
> From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>

> theives here). As for Epidermal cyberware no way would I let somebody have
> something that gives +3d6 at .05 essence. On the other hand a tattoo the
> excreated some form ot toxin (that the user was somehow protected from) or
> some other kind of low level cyber effect could be cool (as could magic,
> i.e. the cover from awakenings).
Well.... MAYbe (and yes its a big may before the be) this initiative
just works against horrors and is magically enhanced (and no, I won't
use the 'G' word here).
So it would just be another one shot weapon, and not useful against
'normal' characters. (Maybe I'll make up some stats later).

--Raven

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