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Message no. 1
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: art question
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:05:30 +1000
There is a picture, I'm pretty sure it's in the SR3 book for the human race
type, of a man with a chrome falcon on his arm. Now obviously a real bird
couldn't fly if it's feathers were replaced by metal, so my questuion is:
Has anyone made a drone in the shape of a falcon? Can you? Maybe if the body
was a lighter than air compartment, and rotors were hidden under the wings?
I have little experience with drones, but I am interested in this and other
animal shaped drones for the fetishist rigger.
Message no. 2
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: art question
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:32:10 -0400
Simon and Fiona wrote:
>
> There is a picture, I'm pretty sure it's in the SR3 book for the human race
> type, of a man with a chrome falcon on his arm.

I didn't interpet that as a chrome falcon, I figured that the artist
didn't want to (or know how to) draw feathers.




> Now obviously a real bird
> couldn't fly if it's feathers were replaced by metal, so my questuion is:
> Has anyone made a drone in the shape of a falcon? Can you?

Can it be done? Yes. Does it have to be metal? No.

You can you composite materials for the main body and internal
structure of the wings and have a stiff film for the feathers. It
would be too hard, IMO, to get it to fly by flapping its wings. There
are "toy" birds available that do fly limited distances by flapping
wings.


> Maybe if the body
> was a lighter than air compartment, and rotors were hidden under the wings?

This is another way to do it as well.

> I have little experience with drones, but I am interested in this and other
> animal shaped drones for the fetishist rigger.

Obviously you've looked into the Arachnoid drone from R2.

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Message no. 3
From: NaCl(aq) jed7466@******.isc.rit.edu
Subject: art question
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:56:41 -0400
Iridios wrote:

> Simon and Fiona wrote:
> >
> > There is a picture, I'm pretty sure it's in the SR3 book for the human race
> > type, of a man with a chrome falcon on his arm.
>
> I didn't interpet that as a chrome falcon, I figured that the artist
> didn't want to (or know how to) draw feathers.
>
> > Now obviously a real bird
> > couldn't fly if it's feathers were replaced by metal, so my questuion is:
> > Has anyone made a drone in the shape of a falcon? Can you?
>
> Can it be done? Yes. Does it have to be metal? No.
>
> You can you composite materials for the main body and internal
> structure of the wings and have a stiff film for the feathers. It
> would be too hard, IMO, to get it to fly by flapping its wings. There
> are "toy" birds available that do fly limited distances by flapping
> wings.
>
> > Maybe if the body
> > was a lighter than air compartment, and rotors were hidden under the wings?
>
> This is another way to do it as well.
>
> > I have little experience with drones, but I am interested in this and other
> > animal shaped drones for the fetishist rigger.
>
> Obviously you've looked into the Arachnoid drone from R2.
>

Ooooh. Then you could have an army of animal drones. . .and if you were a shaman,
they could look like your totem . .. :)


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Message no. 4
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: art question
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:11:06 -0500
:Simon and Fiona wrote:
:>
:> There is a picture, I'm pretty sure it's in the SR3 book for the human
race
:> type, of a man with a chrome falcon on his arm.

P. 49, I presume? That could easily be a sky spirit, air elemental, or
ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.

:I didn't interpet that as a chrome falcon, I figured that the artist
:didn't want to (or know how to) draw feathers.


I know some folks don't like the recent art, but isn;t is silly to
assume the head of FASA's art depeartment was to lazy or didn't know how to
draw feathers?

:> I have little experience with drones, but I am interested in this and
other
:> animal shaped drones for the fetishist rigger.

The simplest thing to do is to take a normal drone with the aproximatley
the performance specs and size that would fit the animal, give it
appropriate limbs (if needed), add a bit to the markup (unique / special
vehicle), and assume the apearance and locomotion differences are just a
cosmetic effect.

Mongoose

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Message no. 5
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: art question
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:28:58 GMT
>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>There is a picture, I'm pretty sure it's in the SR3 book for the human race
>type, of a man with a chrome falcon on his arm. Now obviously a real bird
>couldn't fly if it's feathers were replaced by metal, so my questuion is:
>Has anyone made a drone in the shape of a falcon? Can you? Maybe if the
>body
>was a lighter than air compartment, and rotors were hidden under the wings?
>I have little experience with drones, but I am interested in this and other
>animal shaped drones for the fetishist rigger.

There are loads of cyberhound drones out there on the net, I'm sure a falcon
drone would not be a million miles away from that.

Phil

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Message no. 6
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: art question
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:53:08 GMT
>From: "Sebastian Wiers" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
>:> There is a picture, I'm pretty sure it's in the SR3 book for the human
>race
>:> type, of a man with a chrome falcon on his arm.
>
> P. 49, I presume? That could easily be a sky spirit, air elemental,
>or
>ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
>datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.

It does say Jason, street samuri which does not lend itself to magical
ability; but who knows? :)>

Phil
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Message no. 7
From: Iridios iridios@*****.com
Subject: art question
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:58:57 -0400
Sebastian Wiers wrote:
>
> :Simon and Fiona wrote:
> :>
> :> There is a picture, I'm pretty sure it's in the SR3 book for the human
> race
> :> type, of a man with a chrome falcon on his arm.
>
> P. 49, I presume? That could easily be a sky spirit, air elemental, or
> ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
> datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.
>
> :I didn't interpet that as a chrome falcon, I figured that the artist
> :didn't want to (or know how to) draw feathers.
>
> I know some folks don't like the recent art, but isn;t is silly to
> assume the head of FASA's art depeartment was to lazy or didn't know how to
> draw feathers?

I didn't say the artist (I didn't realize it was the head artist) was
lazy. I said the artist may not have wanted to, possibly because of a
lack of time?

As far as not being able to, There are lots of people who can draw
very well and still have rough times on certain details. My S.O. is
and artist and a good one to boot, but still can't draw geometric or
technical looking items.

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Message no. 8
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: art question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:53:28 +0200
According to Phil Smith, at 18:53 on 17 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> > P. 49, I presume? That could easily be a sky spirit, air elemental,
> >or
> >ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
> >datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.
>
> It does say Jason, street samuri which does not lend itself to magical
> ability; but who knows? :)>

It need not be _his_ spirit, does it? There could be a shaman standing
just outside the picture who asked this Jason character to hold a spirit
for him until he gets back :)

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Message no. 9
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: art question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:17:17 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Thursday, May 18, 2000 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: art question


According to Phil Smith, at 18:53 on 17 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> > P. 49, I presume? That could easily be a sky spirit, air elemental,
> >or
> >ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
> >datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.
>
> It does say Jason, street samuri which does not lend itself to magical
> ability; but who knows? :)>

It need not be _his_ spirit, does it? There could be a shaman standing
just outside the picture who asked this Jason character to hold a spirit
for him until he gets back :)

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Ah Gurth, and here I was thinking you were the sensible one here :?)
Message no. 10
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: art question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:08:32 -0500
:> > P. 49, I presume? That could easily be a sky spirit, air
elemental,
:> >or
:> >ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
:> >datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.
:>
:> It does say Jason, street samuri which does not lend itself to magical
:> ability; but who knows? :)>

Well, the guy on p 48 doesn' match my idea of "Roweena, rigger". And I
REALLY don't think of the guy on p.50 as "Stella for Star, Mage".

Mongoose

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: art question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:36:56 +0200
According to Simon and Fiona, at 21:17 on 18 May 00, the word on the
street was...

> Ah Gurth, and here I was thinking you were the sensible one here :?)

I am. When I want to be :)

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Message no. 12
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: art question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:00:29 GMT
>From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
> > >That could easily be a sky spirit, air elemental,
> > >or
> > >ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
> > >datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.
> >
> > It does say Jason, street samuri which does not lend itself to magical
> > ability; but who knows? :)>
>
>It need not be _his_ spirit, does it? There could be a shaman standing
>just outside the picture who asked this Jason character to hold a spirit
>for him until he gets back :)

Or maybe young Jason liked the metal-falcon-on-arm look and asked his shaman
friend to knock him one together for the neat little picture he was getting
done for the new addition of SR :)>

Phil
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Message no. 13
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: art question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:16:40 GMT
>From: "Sebastian Wiers" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
>:> It does say Jason, street samuri which does not lend itself to magical
>:> ability; but who knows? :)>
>
> Well, the guy on p 48 doesn' match my idea of "Roweena, rigger". And
>I
>REALLY don't think of the guy on p.50 as "Stella for Star, Mage".

Oh I don't know; the elf guy has a wire around his hip and with those
spindly arms he sure as hell isn't a fighter. The ork guy isn't the
steriotyope mage but he could still do magical (yes even with a cyberam) and
the troll is certainly a bear shamen.

It just occoured to me that Jason has a a cyberarm as well. He also looks
quite native american so that could be an explanation for the falcon... no
actually; it couldn't, but its the best idea I have at the minute. :)>

Phil
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Message no. 14
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: art question
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:48:30 +1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Smith <phil_urbanhell@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: art question



>Or maybe young Jason liked the metal-falcon-on-arm look and asked his
shaman
>friend to knock him one together for the neat little picture he was getting
>done for the new addition of SR :)>
>
>Phil


Maybe Jason just has a thing for metal birds, and walks around Seattle's
streets with a statue on his arm, making caw caw noises whenever someone
gets to close.
Message no. 15
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: art question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:59:24 -0700 (PDT)
> > Ah Gurth, and here I was thinking you were the
sensible one here :?)
>
> I am. When I want to be :)

But it's all relative, isn't it, Simon.

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beside him...*


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Message no. 16
From: Manolis Skoulikas great_worm@*****.com
Subject: art question
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:54:27 +0300
Gurth wrote:
>
> According to Phil Smith, at 18:53 on 17 May 00, the word on the street
> was...
>
> > > P. 49, I presume? That could easily be a sky spirit, air elemental,
> > >or
> > >ally spirit. Just because the guy who's arm its on has a gun and a
> > >datajack, doesn't mean he's not magically gifted.
> >
> > It does say Jason, street samuri which does not lend itself to magical
> > ability; but who knows? :)>
>
> It need not be _his_ spirit, does it? There could be a shaman standing
> just outside the picture who asked this Jason character to hold a spirit
> for him until he gets back :)
>
Or it could be a bound free spirit the sammie keeps as a friend
(feeding it karma and all). :)
Don't forget mundanes can bind a free spirit also!

the wiz

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