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Message no. 1
From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: A short rant from Steve
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:54:26 -0500
OK, I'll try and make this brief.

<rant mode: on>
It has come to my attention that some of the things I have posted on this
list (notably, my version of the Magical Edges from Shadowrun Companion) have
become the subject of, shall we say, heated debate between some listmembers
and people at FASA, namely Mike Mulvihill. I'd very much like to clear up a
few things about my position on such things.

First of all, I am not an employee of FASA Corporation. I am a freelance
writer who happens to do a lot of work for FASA Corporation. My answers do
not carry ANY "official" weight (whatever the hell that is) other than what
they are accorded by people who get them. My opinions on this list are just
that, my opinion, just like any other listmember.

Secondly, Mike Mulvihill is the Shadowrun Developer. He's the guy who makes
the calls and his rulings ARE the official cannon of the game. However, Mike
(understandably) doesn't like to make official rulings online that may be
contradicted down the line by a later book. He has told me he doesn't
consider anything "official" until it sees print in an actual Shadowrun book.
He much prefers to leave rules-interpretation up to individual gamemasters
and players and put "official" rulings in print rather than tossing them off
online.

Mike and I don't agree on everything (who does?). However, when it comes to
Shadowrun, Mike is "the Man." If he chooses to rewrite a particular rule to
suit what he feels works best for the game, I have no argument with him.
Please do not take anything I post here and wave it in Mike's face to say
"see, Steve thinks you're wrong, too!" Mike already knows my opinions on
things. Please do not presume to speak for me based on what I say here on the
list.

I enjoy being on the list, and posting replies to people when I can, but
things like this make me wary about answering questions at all. I don't want
to regret offering my opinions and suggestions to people, so I must ask
everyone to please keep in mind that what I offer is not the "official"
answer. If what Mike (or any employee of FASA) has to say on the matter
disagrees with what I said, then I'm wrong and they're right.

That doesn't mean you can't use my suggestion, it just means, in the official
cannon of the game, it's not how it's done. I use tons of unofficial rules in
my Shadowrun games, stuff that I can tell you will NEVER become official. I'm
sure most of you do, too.

In short, if you have a question, I'll do my best to answer it, if I have
time, just like any other listmember. If you have a bone to pick with FASA,
leave me out of it.

On a related topic, I'd just like to say that I think Mike does a kick-ass
job as Shadowrun Developer. The game hasn't been as vital and cool in years,
immortal silliness and Horrors are on the decline, and some cool stuff is
being done with long-neglected aspects of the Sixth World.

I know Mike isn't necessarily answering rules-questions to everyone's
satisfaction, but c'mon, give the guy a break. He's in charge of putting out
eight game books a year, working on a third edition of the game, planning
product for the following year, doing contracts, working with distributors
(foreign and domestic), approving card-game and novel stuff, keeping in touch
with pushy authors like me <grin> AND handling conventions and online stuff
about the game. That's a lot of work. I'm just a writer. I can afford to take
time to answer some questions at my leisure, but I don't get a tenth of the
email that Mike does. If you must judge Mike's work, judge it based on the
products FASA puts out, not by how he handles his email.
<rant mode: off>

We now return you to your regularly scheduled SHADOWRN list.

Take care,
Steve Kenson
Message no. 2
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: A short rant from Steve
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:38:21 EST
<counter rant:On>
<set flame=off>
<set tone=respectful+defensive>

> It has come to my attention that some of the things I have posted on
> this list (notably, my version of the Magical Edges from Shadowrun
> Companion) have become the subject of, shall we say, heated debate
> between some listmembers and people at FASA, namely Mike Mulvihill.
> I'd very much like to clear up a few things about my position on
> such things.

Hopefully I am not one of those listmembers. I am indeed debating
with FASAMike on this very subject, but I hope that I am not one of
those mentioned because:

1) I acknowledged that you had not claimed to give an official
version, that you had stated that you COULD NOT give an official
version, and that you had nothing to do with my request beyond giving
the list your version after many of us complained.

2) I am more looking for a clarification for 3rd edition and/or later
printings.

> In short, if you have a question, I'll do my best to answer it, if I
> have time, just like any other listmember. If you have a bone to
> pick with FASA, leave me out of it.

I greatly enjoy having you on the list, besides...your answers may
not carry "official" weight, but (at least within my group) the
opinion of the writer does matter. (and you are the writer for quite
a bit). I made a point of leaving you out of my discussion with
FASAMike....

In short....I'm not sure what I'm saying here. I guess since I have
been mailing FASAMike about just what you mentioned, I feel a little
defensive. If I am one of the ones in question, view this as a
defense. If I'm not...view this as a....well...I don't know.

In defense of all of us swarming FASAMike with emails: One thing I
have not like about FASA's SR work so far is the lack of on-line
support. Compare even SR's versus Battletech's Web Page. SR has no
FAQ's, no errata (when I asked for one, FASAMike said none was
planned because as they are discovered the errors are fixed in later
printings.) While I fully understand that the printed rules are only
guidelines for us, I also completely understand why someone would ask
for a rule clarification. When a ruling comes up (such as the
Magical Talent Edges) that is broadly disliked, I also understand
writing and asking for it to be changed later...Guidelines or not, if
most people don't use it, perhaps it should be changed.

Then again, if these people don't write in with the respect that is
deserved by a company and the people who HAVE given us a great game,
well then they deserve to be flamed to death.

Comments?
-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 3
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: A short rant from Steve
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:12:42 +0000
On 2 Dec 97 at 15:54, Steve Kenson wrote:
> OK, I'll try and make this brief.
> <rant mode: on>
[snip]
> <rant mode: off>
People, take the time to think about what Steve told us: Mike has a
real big workload. I don't think there's need to have each tiny rules
question answered by our Dark Lord of High - leave him time enough to
organize new products!

Steve, I liked your ideas to magic a lot. Although I disagreed on
(minor) points, they were very valuable for me and the group I GM for
(although _they_ might disagree *grin*). I hope you didn't get into
trouple just because some people decided to draw you into a personal
rules discussion with FASA, as I'd hate to loose the insights of the
(freelance) author of Awakenings... :-)

Sascha
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Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: A short rant from Steve
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:06:35 +0100
Brett Borger said on 18:38/ 2 Dec 97...

> SR has no FAQ's, no errata (when I asked for one, FASAMike said none was
> planned because as they are discovered the errors are fixed in later
> printings.)

That makes absolutely no sense. It's very good that known errors are
corrected in future printings, but does FASAMike expect us to buy a new
book every time it gets reprinted or something? It would be a simple
matter to add to an errata when you're correcting a mistake that's been
discovered in a book.

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Message no. 5
From: John Penta <johndevil@****.COM>
Subject: Re: A short rant from Steve
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:02:33 -0500
On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:54:26 -0500 Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
writes:
>On a related topic, I'd just like to say that I think Mike does a
>kick-ass
>job as Shadowrun Developer. The game hasn't been as vital and cool in
>years,
>immortal silliness and Horrors are on the decline, and some cool stuff
>is
>being done with long-neglected aspects of the Sixth World.
>
>I know Mike isn't necessarily answering rules-questions to everyone's
>satisfaction, but c'mon, give the guy a break. He's in charge of
>putting out
>eight game books a year, working on a third edition of the game,
>planning
>product for the following year, doing contracts, working with
>distributors
>(foreign and domestic), approving card-game and novel stuff, keeping
>in touch
>with pushy authors like me <grin> AND handling conventions and online
>stuff
>about the game. That's a lot of work. I'm just a writer. I can afford
>to take
>time to answer some questions at my leisure, but I don't get a tenth
>of the
>email that Mike does. If you must judge Mike's work, judge it based on
>the
>products FASA puts out, not by how he handles his email.
OK, thanks...now can we get some semi-official info on places outside of
North America which haven't been covered? Say, all of Asia, Australia,
Antarctica(at a suggestion from a player in my forming campaign. I
immediately whacked him, but it did *sound* kinda cool.), etc. Also add
in continental Europe outside of Germany(Are the European SBs still in
print?). My feeling is there's a *gold mine* of potential story-lines. Oh
yeah....Chances are, small parts of Arabia woulda been saved(Remember,
Israel only got hit by a GAS attack. They chucked nukes in LIBYA.
ecologically, whole different part of the world.) from vaporization.

John

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