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Message no. 1
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Assassins
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:19:20 -0500
How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract put
out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
messy. Not to mention very painful.

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Goodie!
Maybe it's those Rocket Skates I ordered from the ACME company!
The last pair backfired and almost blew my legs halfway to my Duodenum.
But I'll get that pesky Road Runner yet.
With My Life's Blood I swear it!

"Deadpool #3"

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Message no. 2
From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:36:04 -0600
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, NightLife wrote:

> How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract put
> out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
> messy. Not to mention very painful.

probably about the same amount you get paid on an average run. This it
these guys' business, you know. How much would _you_ expect to get paid
to geek someone? Well, expect to pay the same for somebody else.

-Q


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> Goodie!
> Maybe it's those Rocket Skates I ordered from the ACME company!
> The last pair backfired and almost blew my legs halfway to my Duodenum.
> But I'll get that pesky Road Runner yet.
> With My Life's Blood I swear it!
>
> "Deadpool #3"
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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human
stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
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Scott "Q" Meyer
Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer
Message no. 3
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:03:01 -0500
At 06:19 PM 2/18/97 -0500, NightLife wrote these timeless words:
>How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract put
>out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
>messy. Not to mention very painful.
>
Ok, it depends on several things... How much money is available to your
characyter regularly... I would expect it to cost at least twice your
average run earnings, at least... Probably more, especially if you want it
done by a professional (I assume we're talking about a pro, not a couple
street thugs with a Panther Assault!:)).

50K to 100K sounds like a decent amount to start with. probably upping the
fee a good deal for someone who's an Expert. Possibly even hitting half a
million...

Of course, if 5K nuyen is a lot for your charaxcter to have on him, then
maybe around 15 to 20K. However, if he regularly pulls down 50K+ runs, and
has a 1/2 million nuyen just sitting around, and he hasn't been saving,
just doesn't have anything to do with it, then q/w mill sounds about
right...:)

it all depends on teh power level and cash level of your game. Things like
this, for my game, would be a way to get rid of excess cash...:)

Bull
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Message no. 4
From: "M. Gotthard" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:06:12 +1000
> How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract pu=
t
> out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
> messy. Not to mention very painful.
>

It's usually a good idea to equate all things in ShadowRun to real life,
ie cost of food, etc. You can extend that to hits, etc. Apparently the
price for a hit over here is a measely $5000.

That sounds a little low, but I know guys who can do kneecaps for $50
(with baseball bats)

I'd have to say that if you want it done in the SR game, then expect to
pay about what the average team of runners would get for the job... in
our game that's about $150,000 ¥... not exactly cheap, but that's the
price you pay for professionalism.

Hell, (in our game) our characters would be more inclined to do the job
themselves, and if the target is too powerful for that, then they couldn't=

afford to hire anyone anyway.

One thing to think about is that if you hire a hitter, then you're
becoming the Johnson, and that gives your GM an opportunity to do all
those nasty things to you that you normally do to his Johnsons.

Bleach.
Message no. 5
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:18:12 +1100
> Hell, (in our game) our characters would be more inclined to do the job
> themselves, and if the target is too powerful for that, then they couldn't
> afford to hire anyone anyway.

Very true (thinking of a certain gang leader that made the mistake of
poisoning the person with the Vindictive flaw).

Bear in mind though that Shadowrunners aren't the only people who want
people dead. And the people wanted dead aren't always expensive to kill,
either.

> One thing to think about is that if you hire a hitter, then you're
> becoming the Johnson, and that gives your GM an opportunity to do all
> those nasty things to you that you normally do to his Johnsons.

We do mean things to Johnsons? Not so I remember?

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 6
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:29:12 -0800
>How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract put
>out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
>messy. Not to mention very painful.

Today, hits by a "professional" start at around 10K, and go up from
there. Things also depend on the profile on the person in question, if it's
just some wage slave that ratted on your character, that's no problem, but
if it's a high profile person, the cost would probably multiply,
exponentially. Take into account that some hitmen will probably charge
for the time that they take out to monitor the "hitee", and possibly
any extra equipment that they might need, like ceramic bullets... or that
wizzer new "Frozen Bullet Shooter(tm)."

I don't really know why you want it to be messy, as long as the
guy's dead, he's dead, whether his brain cells layer the wall or not.

Skye-blah.
Message no. 7
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:02:44 +0000
In message <199702182319.SAA07810@******.san.uc.edu>, NightLife
<habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU> writes
>How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract put
>out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
>messy. Not to mention very painful.

Really depends.

If it's Joe Shmoe in Auburn, for a few thousand newyen your local gang
may well handle it for you, or a member or two who want Their Big
Chance.

If it's a mid-rank corporate executive, I'd say thirty to a hundred
thousand depending on lots of things (their security, which corporation,
how much the corporation resented the loss, et cetera), where it had to
be done, how public, how messy (walking through Bellevue while splashed
with blood gets you noticed), time constraints...

If it's a shadowrunner with some rep (say, an NPC rival) or a high-level
exec or a celebrity many people have heard of, expect to pay big bucks:
on the first because of the difficulty of finding the guy and getting a
shot unobtrusively, on the other two because of their security and the
likely reprisals.



--
There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 8
From: Mark McKenna <mmckenn@*****.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:39:57 -0500
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, NightLife wrote:

> How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract put
> out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
> messy. Not to mention very painful.
>
>
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Nightlife Inc.
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> Goodie!
> Maybe it's those Rocket Skates I ordered from the ACME company!
> The last pair backfired and almost blew my legs halfway to my Duodenum.
> But I'll get that pesky Road Runner yet.
> With My Life's Blood I swear it!
>
> "Deadpool #3"
>
>
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I think I can elaborate on this one since i do this kinda work inside the
game from time to time, it depends on the mark(target) and how well that
mark's resources flow. If we are talking about a fixer, mob guy and the
such there's always a rival out there willing to do that job at cost, but
if we are talking Damian Knight, forget it you don't have enough money
even after you rob Zurich-Orbital. Anyways my point, the price depends on
how its do be done, when, where, who and what ever the Gm decides it
should be. But be careful working with rivals they tend to turn on you
also, spend the money and get a contact that is an assassin or higher a
shadowrun team, as long as the poor slot is killed painfully as you want
it who cares how it was done.
McKenna AKA Mr. White
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Message no. 9
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:55:41 -0500
> I don't really know why you want it to be messy, as long as the
>guy's dead, he's dead, whether his brain cells layer the wall or not.
>
>Skye-blah.
>

So the other player remebers not to screw with a certain character and not
to wave guns in my characters face. So I gather anywhere from 30k to 500K
for this little job may be easier to do it myself. Now I've got to get his
hands dirty.

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Goodie!
Maybe it's those Rocket Skates I ordered from the ACME company!
The last pair backfired and almost blew my legs halfway to my Duodenum.
But I'll get that pesky Road Runner yet.
With My Life's Blood I swear it!

"Deadpool #3"

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Message no. 10
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:58:44 -0500
>I think I can elaborate on this one since i do this kinda work inside the
>game from time to time, it depends on the mark(target) and how well that
>mark's resources flow. If we are talking about a fixer, mob guy and the
>such there's always a rival out there willing to do that job at cost, but
>if we are talking Damian Knight, forget it you don't have enough money
>even after you rob Zurich-Orbital.

No it's just another runner. Who's waved guns in one to many players faces
in the game.



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Goodie!
Maybe it's those Rocket Skates I ordered from the ACME company!
The last pair backfired and almost blew my legs halfway to my Duodenum.
But I'll get that pesky Road Runner yet.
With My Life's Blood I swear it!

"Deadpool #3"

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Message no. 11
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:29:36 +0000
On 18 Feb 97 at 18:19, NightLife wrote:
> How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract put
> out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
> messy. Not to mention very painful.
a) What you ask for is a killer, not an assassin. See - among others -
T. Pratchett's "Pyramids" for the difference.

b) What you gotta pay depends on some things.
- How much cash flow does your GM 8or do you) have in a game? If nuyen
are spent in the 100,000s, it'd be costier then in a campaign that
nets the runners mere 5,000 per run

- How fast you want "it" done. The faster, the more expensive.

- Of course, what position the target has. Flatlining Joe Average will
be much cheaper then having a Mafia Don killed.

- If you have some distasteful - and dangerous to the assassin/killer -
extra wishes (like messy, painful, ...) you pay extra.

As I don't know how much cash flow is usual in the campaing you are
running or participating in, I can't help you with exact numbers, but I
think about the pay the runners get for an (about) equally dangerous
run would be about right.
Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:55:10 +0100
Sascha Pabst said on 4:29/19 Feb 97...

> a) What you ask for is a killer, not an assassin. See - among others -
> T. Pratchett's "Pyramids" for the difference.

Hashishims :)

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Message no. 13
From: Tim Coxon <Tim.Ntoo@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:15:19 -0000
> >How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract
put
> >out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
> >messy. Not to mention very painful.
>
> Today, hits by a "professional" start at around 10K, and go up
from
> there.

/me checks behind his shoulder....Skye Why the Hell do you know that?

>Things also depend on the profile on the person in question, if it's
> just some wage slave that ratted on your character, that's no problem,
but
> if it's a high profile person, the cost would probably multiply,
> exponentially. Take into account that some hitmen will probably charge
> for the time that they take out to monitor the "hitee", and possibly
> any extra equipment that they might need, like ceramic bullets... or that
> wizzer new "Frozen Bullet Shooter(tm)."
Sorry, Accident Man got those a few years ago....(not the comic was called
TOXIC!), But I loved some of the way's he killed people...Hitee at a bus
stop so he shoot the tires out of a passing car with an ice bullet the car
swerves and takes out said hitee :)
The there was entering the hitee house and turning the gas on, when they
walk in you shoot an explosive round into the house...*KABOOM!!*.
I loved coming up with other idea's like that...
> I don't really know why you want it to be messy, as long as the
> guy's dead, he's dead, whether his brain cells layer the wall or not.
Skye for revenge...Which is worse one shot in the head dieing instantly or
a shot up the arse, taking hours to bleed to death in angony...I mean if he
is going to die why not make it painful?
(note the shooting up the arse comes from "things to do in denver when you
are dead" with the brilliant Mr Shhhh, hmm I might have to make a new npc
<gr>.
> Skye-blah.

And that was another thought from the black depths of my mind.
****Tim-Ntoo****
Tim.Ntoo@**********.com
Message no. 14
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:47:44 -0700
>How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a
>contract put out on someone.....

Hmmm..WEll 10K should be sufficient...

>IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to be
>messy. Not to mention very painful.

If you want something in particular..You might up it to 20K or so..But
you also have to keep in mind just how much real danger your clean up
man is going to have to deal with in order to accomplish your task..It
it a powerful person..well start digging out the dough.. if it the
corner stuffer shak chashier..2-7K should be more than sufficient..And
then you also need to keep in mind just who you want to do the job..Do
you want a real pro..or perhaps the local go-gangers...They will be in
totally different price brackets...But in most cases the 10K should be
more than sufficient...
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 15
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:46:23 -0500
Depending on how the job is done, you could probably find a desperate
squatter to push the target under a bus for 10 nuyen ...

20 if you want it to look like an accident ...

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com./users/bluewizard
"Let's go scare Al."
Message no. 16
From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:50:10 -0500
FWIW, some information on how much it costs to hire an assassin in Shadowrun
is detailed in the Underworld Sourcebook, along with a group of Sixth World
assassins known as Chimera, who hail from the former Soviet Empire and are
responsible for a number of recent hits in the Seattle area. They might have
even be good enough to have offed a certain late-UCAS president...

Steve K.
Underworld Sourcebook, coming soon (watch out for the assassins)
Message no. 17
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:14:13 -0500
>even be good enough to have offed a certain late-UCAS president...

That's just cruel taunting. :)

-=SwiftOne=-
(I have a friend who might just know the connection between Nadja Daviar and
a group that prefers to remain unnamed, but sometimes has been linked to the
number 20,000...)

:)
Message no. 18
From: Ashelock <woneal@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Assassins
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:17:27 -0005
On 18 Feb 97 at 18:19, NightLife wrote:

> How much on average in the SR universe would it cost to get a contract
> put out on someone. IE I really want this person dead. And I want it to
> be messy. Not to mention very painful.

Depends on who you ask to do it, who the target is and what specifically
you want done. For example, if the target is in a max-sec prison you
might get a death row inmate to do it for a few cartons of cigarettes. If
the target is a street shmuck you might get someone else from the streets
to "off" him in return for a few hundred, some drugs, or a nice gun. If
you want a professional, prices start at around 5k and go up from there
depending on the target and the caliber of the professional.
Off hand I'd say 5-10k for a hit on an average person by a "average"
assassin. And by "average assassin" I'm talking more of a thug hitman
than a real pro. If you wanted a pro, that's going to cost a lot more,
figure 5k at least just to get them to hear you out (non refundable), and
another 25-50k for a professional job. And that's if the target is Joe
Average Citizen. If you want someone who is protected by security,
bodyguards, etc., double the price. If the person is a real VIP, double
it again. For major targets, like Congressmen (and assuming you can find
a professional willing to do it), prices would be 10-25k just to get them
to listen and 250k+ to do the job.
--

Ashelock
mailto:woneal@*******.net

"They say it's a brave new world we're building. I say they're right,
and we'll all have to be pretty brave to live in it."
Message no. 19
From: toaster <toaster@************.COM>
Subject: Assassins
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:00:23 -0800
>
> This could easily be done in Shadowrun through the use of psychoactive
> chemicals and simsense technology to create ultra-loyal followers for
> some villanous corp or cult. They could easily become unstable and
> create problems for their employer as well as the players.
>
could do it better than they did it back then, too. imaginge the total
"heaven"
experience, with big light, having no body (or angel wings), booming
voices, yeah!
im getting inspired here!

-cyberspunk
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http://members.tripod.com/~glenn_royer

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