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Message no. 1
From: saven160@*******.com (Stephen Spence)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:47:37 -0500
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Message no. 2
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:12:41 +0100
> Third:
>
> Using rigger 3 rules to integrate drones in combat with the pc’s we
>
> ran into a question of how much room does a drone need to build
>
> up speed. If a Vector Thrust drone is going to ram a door, how much
>
> room is needed to get up to its base speed (acceleration using
>
> those rules). If a drone has a base speed of acceleration of 10,
>
> and a “run multiplier” of 20, it is easy to figure how far the drone
>
> can move, but how do you figure its speed at a given point (to
>
> do ram test)?

Well, you need to use the following formulae:
v = a*t + v0
x = 1/2*a*t^2 + v0*t
where x is the distance travelled (m), a is the acceleration(m/s/s), v
the current speed (m/s), v0 the initial speed (m/s) and t the time (s).
a is equal to the drone's Acceleration rating times the pilot's number
of successes, divided by 3. (considering a constant acceleration)
Use the first formula to obtain the time required to reach the desired
speed. Once you've got that, the second formula will give you the
distance required to reach said speed.

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr@*****.fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 3
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:27:24 +0100
According to Stephen Spence, on Tuesday 02 December 2003 19:47 the word on
the street was...

> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV
class=RTE><BR>
> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New
> Roman" size=3>The gaming table that I am a part of just started a new
SR3
> game.</FONT></P>
> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New
> Roman" size=3>We have a few questions on rules that we would appreciate
> feedback</FONT></P>
> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New
> Roman" size=3>on.</FONT></P>

PLEASE switch that *%&(ing HTML off for future postings to this list... I
can't find the mailer you're using in the message headers, but it has to
be the worst-behaved one I've seen so far :(

Luckily I could switch my mailer to displaying the message as HTML, so I
could get at the text, but anyone using a mailer without that capability
will ismply be almost unable to read what you have to say...

> We have a mage that has a rating 1 weapon focus. When astraly
> projecting the rules are not clear on the damage inflicted. Assuming
> the weapon has a base damage of (Str)M, on the astral plane (projecting
> not just perceiving) we know you replace the strength with charisma,
> but the astral damage table is unclear on is it Charisma + (charisma)M,
> or does it just imply the strength being replaced by charisma.
> Example he has a 8 charisma, would he be doing 17M damage or 9M?

You use Charisma in place of Strength for everything on the astral plane.
If there is anything that you would do with Strength on the physical
plane, then you instead use Charisma while you're astrally projecting. So,
in your example, he would do 9M damage with the weapon focus -- it causes
(Charisma + rating)M, not (Strength + Charisma + rating)M.

> Does the shielding focus add dice to shielding over the mages initiate
> level? If a rank 3 initiate was using 3 spell pool dice for shielding,
> and used a level 1 shielding focus to add one more die, would the target
> number to cast a spell on the beings the mage is shielding be at a +4?

The text (on p. 45 of MITS) says that it works just like a spell defense
focus. The spell defense focus, in turn, says that the maximum number of
dice it can provide is equal to the magician's Spell Pool -- so if your
character has Intelligence 5, Willpower 6 and Magic 9 (IOW, a grade 3
initiate with no Magic points lost for any reason), you have a Spell Pool
of (5 + 6 + 9) / 3 = 6. Thus, you could gain a maximum of 6 shielding dice
from a shielding focus, regardless of how many dice you are actually using
to provide shielding.

--
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If you don't ask questions then you don't know why
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Message no. 4
From: cmd_jackryan@***.net (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:18:21 +0100
Am Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:27:24 +0100 hat Gurth <gurth@******.nl> geschrieben:

[SNIP Assorted Junk, looking like a HTML-webpage]

> PLEASE switch that *%&(ing HTML off for future postings to this list... I
> can't find the mailer you're using in the message headers, but it has to
> be the worst-behaved one I've seen so far :(

Outlook Express, it is always Outlook Express, or its bigger nastiness,
er, brother.

Hm, hasn't the mailing-daemon on the dumpshock-server no HTML-stripping?

I know that the yahoo!-mailinglists! do! have! this! feature!.
--
Phillip Gawlowski
Bastard GameMaster From Hell and General Idiot

"Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice."
- Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC (Ret.), regarding combat handgun training
Message no. 5
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:53:05 -0700
At 07:18 AM 12/3/2003, Phillip Gawlowski wrote:
>Am Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:27:24 +0100 hat Gurth <gurth@******.nl> geschrieben:
>
>[SNIP Assorted Junk, looking like a HTML-webpage]
>
>>PLEASE switch that *%&(ing HTML off for future postings to this list... I
>>can't find the mailer you're using in the message headers, but it has to
>>be the worst-behaved one I've seen so far :(
>
>Outlook Express, it is always Outlook Express, or its bigger nastiness,
>er, brother.
>
>Hm, hasn't the mailing-daemon on the dumpshock-server no HTML-stripping?
>
>I know that the yahoo!-mailinglists! do! have! this! feature!.

HTML stripping, no. Filtering based on the Content-Type: header, yes. I
just added a filter to block email with "html" in the Content-Type:
header. We'll see how it goes.

--
To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com
Message no. 6
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:02:29 +0100
From: "Graht" <davidb@****.imcprint.com>
<Snip>
> HTML stripping, no. Filtering based on the Content-Type: header, yes. I
> just added a filter to block email with "html" in the Content-Type:
> header. We'll see how it goes.

Well suddenly there won't be any mail on this list... but then what's the
difference :-(

Lars
Message no. 7
From: mikepaff@***.rr.com (Michael Paff)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:28:46 -0800
At 09:02 AM 12/5/03, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:

>Well suddenly there won't be any mail on this list... but then what's the
>difference :-(

If the block action also notifies the sender as to why it was blocked,
then they can take action to fix it instead of inflicting HTML formatting
on the rest of us.

Mike
Message no. 8
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:34:58 -0700
At 10:02 AM 12/5/2003, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:
From: "Graht" <davidb@****.imcprint.com>
<Snip>
> HTML stripping, no. Filtering based on the Content-Type: header, yes. I
> just added a filter to block email with "html" in the Content-Type:
> header. We'll see how it goes.

Well suddenly there won't be any mail on this list... but then what's the
difference :-(

ShadowRN has always forbidden html posts, and enforced that rule. All of
the current members send text only (Content-type: text/plain) posts. This
shouldn't affect current members.

If a new member sends an html file the mailserver will hold it and let the
administrators know so that we can let the new member know about the text
only policy without upsetting list members who can't receive html encoded
email.

--
To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com
Message no. 9
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:36:48 -0700
At 10:34 AM 12/5/2003, Graht wrote:
>At 10:02 AM 12/5/2003, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:
>>From: "Graht" <davidb@****.imcprint.com>
>><Snip>
>> > HTML stripping, no. Filtering based on the Content-Type: header, yes. I
>> > just added a filter to block email with "html" in the
Content-Type:
>> > header. We'll see how it goes.
>>
>>Well suddenly there won't be any mail on this list... but then what's the
>>difference :-(
>
>ShadowRN has always forbidden html posts, and enforced that rule. All of
>the current members send text only (Content-type: text/plain) posts. This
>shouldn't affect current members.
>
>If a new member sends an html file the mailserver will hold it and let the
>administrators know so that we can let the new member know about the text
>only policy without upsetting list members who can't receive html encoded
>email.

And, I left out a level of quoting. Sorry about that. It should have read
as above. :/

--
To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com
Message no. 10
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 19:16:54 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graht" <davidb@****.imcprint.com>
To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: assorted questions


> At 10:34 AM 12/5/2003, Graht wrote:
> >At 10:02 AM 12/5/2003, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:
> >>From: "Graht" <davidb@****.imcprint.com>
> >><Snip>
> >> > HTML stripping, no. Filtering based on the Content-Type: header,
[snip]
> To Life,
> -Graht
> ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
> http://www.graht.com
>
Did we actually answer that guy's questions?
--Anders
Message no. 11
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:20:12 +0100
At 10:34 AM 12/5/2003, Graht wrote:
>At 10:02 AM 12/5/2003, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:
>
>>Well suddenly there won't be any mail on this list... but then what's the
>>difference :-(
>
>ShadowRN has always forbidden html posts, and enforced that rule. All of
>the current members send text only (Content-type: text/plain) posts. This
>shouldn't affect current members.

But current members don't post any more :-(

I still remeber the days wher you could hardly keep up with the number of
posts, these days you can check one a week, and still be able to follow all
the discussions. Sad... (especially the fact that I don't contribute to
anything by posting this).

Lars
Message no. 12
From: DamionMilliken@*****.com.au (Damion Milliken)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:32:35 +1100
Lars writes:

> But current members don't post any more :-(
>
> I still remember the days where you could hardly keep up with the number of
> posts, these days you can check one a week, and still be able to follow all
> the discussions. Sad... (especially the fact that I don't contribute to
> anything by posting this).

Don't be too sad, Lars. The Forums are really really active. It's just a change in the
location of SR discussion, mostly. (I say "mostly" because Forums, being by
nature more accessible and less personal - i.e., not your email box - tend to also attract
a larger proportion of 'less desirable' internet elements :-()

--
Damion Milliken E-Mail: DamionMilliken@*****.com.au
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ICQ: 177734389 | MSN: DamionMilliken@*****.com.au | AIM/Y!: DamionMilliken
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Message no. 13
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:06:22 +0100
According to Anders Swenson, on Saturday 06 December 2003 04:16 the word on
the street was...

> Did we actually answer that guy's questions?

Yes. I answered the magic ones, and someone else (sorry, I can't remember
who :) gave an answer to the rigging ones. It used to be that pretty much
_any_ answer would provoke more discussion about it, though...

--
Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
If you don't ask questions then you don't know why
-> Probably NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

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Message no. 14
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:43:24 +1100 (EST)
--- Damion Milliken <DamionMilliken@*****.com.au>
wrote: > Lars writes:
>
> > But current members don't post any more :-(
> >
> > I still remember the days where you could hardly
> keep up with the number of
> > posts, these days you can check one a week, and
> still be able to follow all
> > the discussions. Sad... (especially the fact that
> I don't contribute to
> > anything by posting this).
>
> Don't be too sad, Lars. The Forums are really really
> active. It's just a change in the location of SR
> discussion, mostly. (I say "mostly" because Forums,
> being by nature more accessible and less personal -
> i.e., not your email box - tend to also attract a
> larger proportion of 'less desirable' internet
> elements :-()

Can you give us a Idea where some of these forums are
& do you frequent them yourselves, I don't mind a few
of the undesirables as I probabely am one of the
undesirables ;)

GZ

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New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time.
Message no. 15
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:02:00 -0700
At 02:20 AM 12/6/2003, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:
>At 10:34 AM 12/5/2003, Graht wrote:
> >At 10:02 AM 12/5/2003, Lars Wagner Hansen wrote:
> >
> >>Well suddenly there won't be any mail on this list... but then what's the
> >>difference :-(
> >
> >ShadowRN has always forbidden html posts, and enforced that rule. All of
> >the current members send text only (Content-type: text/plain) posts. This
> >shouldn't affect current members.
>
>But current members don't post any more :-(
>
>I still remeber the days wher you could hardly keep up with the number of
>posts, these days you can check one a week, and still be able to follow all
>the discussions. Sad... (especially the fact that I don't contribute to
>anything by posting this).

Yep, I remember those days to and miss them.

As near as I can tell the traffic on ShadowRN trickled off for two reasons.

1) FASA did a very good job with Shadowrun 3rd edition. There just aren't
very many holes in it and the rules are pretty clear. The vast majority of
Shadowrun 2nd discussions involved rules issues.

2) Message boards have become a lot more popular than mailing lists, and
the Dumpshock forums are very, very good (damn you Marc, Paolo, Dvixen,
Adam and the others who did such a great job setting that up and keeping it
running ;) I would participate on the message boards, but I can't keep up
with them :/

--
To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com
Message no. 16
From: valeuj@*****.navy.mil (Valeu, John W. EM3 (AS40 R-3))
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:22:17 +1000
>>I still remeber the days wher you could hardly keep up with the number of
>>posts, these days you can check one a week, and still be able to follow
all
>>the discussions. Sad... (especially the fact that I don't contribute to
>>anything by posting this).

>Yep, I remember those days to and miss them.

>As near as I can tell the traffic on ShadowRN trickled off for two reasons.

>1) FASA did a very good job with Shadowrun 3rd edition. There just aren't
>very many holes in it and the rules are pretty clear. The vast majority of

>Shadowrun 2nd discussions involved rules issues.

>2) Message boards have become a lot more popular than mailing lists, and
>the Dumpshock forums are very, very good (damn you Marc, Paolo, Dvixen,
>Adam and the others who did such a great job setting that up and keeping it

>running ;) I would participate on the message boards, but I can't keep up
>with them :/

Ok, guys, I get off watch in 5 hours. Since I'm currently underway, I don't
have web access anymore and I want at least 10 messages when I get back.

I need my SR fix.

At the very least can't we take some of the more.... interesting topics and
put them on the list to see what the rest of us think?
Message no. 17
From: gte138j@****.gatech.edu (Jeff Stewart)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:58:13 -0500 (EST)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Gurth wrote:

> > We have a mage that has a rating 1 weapon focus. When astraly
> > projecting the rules are not clear on the damage inflicted. Assuming
> > the weapon has a base damage of (Str)M, on the astral plane (projecting
> > not just perceiving) we know you replace the strength with charisma,
> > but the astral damage table is unclear on is it Charisma + (charisma)M,
> > or does it just imply the strength being replaced by charisma.
> > Example he has a 8 charisma, would he be doing 17M damage or 9M?
>
> You use Charisma in place of Strength for everything on the astral plane.
> If there is anything that you would do with Strength on the physical
> plane, then you instead use Charisma while you're astrally projecting. So,
> in your example, he would do 9M damage with the weapon focus -- it causes
> (Charisma + rating)M, not (Strength + Charisma + rating)M.

Out of curiosity - and mainly because I'm finally playing again - what
about an adepts Killing Hands power? The power itself seems to imply
that an adept gets to use his Strength instead of his charisma when
using killing hands and fighting against a spirit or any other
creature that cannot be harmed with normal weapons.

I'm not sure about this, but figured I'd toss it out to see if that
interpretation is just wrong or what. =)

Jeff Stewart | "Princess Di is wearing a new dress."
Email: gte138j@****.gatech.edu | - Matt Alexander stating THE TRUTH
|
Message no. 18
From: scott@**********.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:06:17 +0100
On Monday, Dec 8, 2003, at 19:58 Europe/Paris, Jeff Stewart wrote:

>
> Out of curiosity - and mainly because I'm finally playing again - what
> about an adepts Killing Hands power? The power itself seems to imply
> that an adept gets to use his Strength instead of his charisma when
> using killing hands and fighting against a spirit or any other
> creature that cannot be harmed with normal weapons.
>
> I'm not sure about this, but figured I'd toss it out to see if that
> interpretation is just wrong or what. =)
>
I would say that is true for a spirit in the physical plane.

If the adept is able to be present on the astral plane, then I would
say this power also allows the use of Strength as well.

--
Scott Harrison PGP Key ID: 0x0f0b5b86
Message no. 19
From: dhyde79@***.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:45:29 -0600
> On Monday, Dec 8, 2003, at 19:58 Europe/Paris, Jeff Stewart wrote:
>
>>
>> Out of curiosity - and mainly because I'm finally playing again - what
>> about an adepts Killing Hands power? The power itself seems to imply
>> that an adept gets to use his Strength instead of his charisma when
>> using killing hands and fighting against a spirit or any other
>> creature that cannot be harmed with normal weapons.
>>
>> I'm not sure about this, but figured I'd toss it out to see if that
>> interpretation is just wrong or what. =)
>>
> I would say that is true for a spirit in the physical plane.
>
> If the adept is able to be present on the astral plane, then I would
> say this power also allows the use of Strength as well.

I would actually disagree here, astral projection is supposed to be your
"spirit" projected forth of your physical body, therefore your physical
attributes are pointless in the astral plane, the exception obviously being
dual natured creatures...

But hey, that's just me......I've been right and wrong before....
Message no. 20
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:55:26 -0700
At 01:45 PM 12/8/2003, Derek Hyde wrote:
> > On Monday, Dec 8, 2003, at 19:58 Europe/Paris, Jeff Stewart wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity - and mainly because I'm finally playing again - what
> >> about an adepts Killing Hands power? The power itself seems to imply
> >> that an adept gets to use his Strength instead of his charisma when
> >> using killing hands and fighting against a spirit or any other
> >> creature that cannot be harmed with normal weapons.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure about this, but figured I'd toss it out to see if that
> >> interpretation is just wrong or what. =)
> >>
> > I would say that is true for a spirit in the physical plane.
> >
> > If the adept is able to be present on the astral plane, then I would
> > say this power also allows the use of Strength as well.
>
>I would actually disagree here, astral projection is supposed to be your
>"spirit" projected forth of your physical body, therefore your physical
>attributes are pointless in the astral plane, the exception obviously being
>dual natured creatures...
>
>But hey, that's just me......I've been right and wrong before....

But, when a Physical Adept is astrally perceiving they are dual natured and
can use their Killing Hand to attack an astral being. IIRC.

--
To Life,
-Graht
ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader II
http://www.graht.com
Message no. 21
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:01:00 +0100
> I would actually disagree here, astral projection is supposed to be
> your
> "spirit" projected forth of your physical body, therefore your physical
> attributes are pointless in the astral plane, the exception obviously
> being
> dual natured creatures...
>
> But hey, that's just me......I've been right and wrong before....

That's a rather moot point given that PhysAds don't have access to
astral projection (only perception)...
This said, if for some reason an Adept was astrally projecting I would
indeed have him use his Charisma (though I might allow the Enhanced
Physical Attribute: Strength power to apply). The books say that in the
astral you replace your Body, Quickness and Strength with Willpower,
Intelligence and Charisma respectively, so...

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr@*****.fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"


--
maxnoel_fr@*****.fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 22
From: DamionMilliken@*****.com.au (Damion Milliken)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:33:56 +1100
John writes:

> Ok, guys, I get off watch in 5 hours. Since I'm currently underway, I don't
> have web access anymore and I want at least 10 messages when I get back.
>
> I need my SR fix.
>
> At the very least can't we take some of the more.... interesting topics and
> put them on the list to see what the rest of us think?

This reminds me of an old discussion ... back in the dark ages (well, when web forums
didn't exist) newsgroups were a popular alternative to mailing lists. They were
essentially the same (more or less) as web forums, in that they were less
"permanent" and "intrusive" than mailing lists, but unlike web forums
they were a little difficult to get access to (as they required special news group
connecting/reading software). Anyway, there was once discussion of "portalling"
the relevant newsgroup to the SR mailing list, and vice-versa. So that any post to the
newsgroup got emailed to the SR list, and any email to the SR list got posted to the
newsgroup. I'd not expect the newsgroup to be especially active any more (much like the
list), but "portalling" them could increase the traffic on both.

As an addition, or rather extension, to this concept, it _might_ be possible (through some
tricky and intelligent coding and scripting) to "portal" connect the web forums
and the SR list as well...

--
Damion Milliken E-Mail: DamionMilliken@*****.com.au
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ICQ: 177734389 | MSN: DamionMilliken@*****.com.au | AIM/Y!: DamionMilliken
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Message no. 23
From: tjlanza@************.com (Timothy J. Lanza)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:30:52 -0500
At 03:45 PM 12/8/2003, Derek Hyde wrote:
>I would actually disagree here, astral projection is supposed to be your
>"spirit" projected forth of your physical body, therefore your physical
>attributes are pointless in the astral plane, the exception obviously being
>dual natured creatures...
>
>But hey, that's just me......I've been right and wrong before....

I agree. And your "exception" actually proves the rule.

When you are PROJECTING, you substitute Charisma for Strength.

In all other cases - astral perception, dual-natured, or fighting a
manifest spirt - you use your Strength. No substitution required.

--
Timothy J. Lanza
"When we can't dream any longer, we die." - Emma Goldman
Message no. 24
From: dhyde79@***.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:16:15 -0600
> At 03:45 PM 12/8/2003, Derek Hyde wrote:
>> I would actually disagree here, astral projection is supposed to be your
>> "spirit" projected forth of your physical body, therefore your physical
>> attributes are pointless in the astral plane, the exception obviously being
>> dual natured creatures...
>>
>> But hey, that's just me......I've been right and wrong before....
>
> I agree. And your "exception" actually proves the rule.
>
> When you are PROJECTING, you substitute Charisma for Strength.
>
> In all other cases - astral perception, dual-natured, or fighting a
> manifest spirt - you use your Strength. No substitution required.


If you're perceiving, you can only see astral, unless I'm wrong, (which is
fully possible) I don't think you can attack astral things, however, dual
natured I would say that yes, they'd keep strength, and if it's manifest
it's not astral so it wouldn't make any difference
Message no. 25
From: tjlanza@************.com (Timothy J. Lanza)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:24:55 -0500
At 01:16 AM 12/9/2003, Derek Hyde wrote:
>If you're perceiving, you can only see astral, unless I'm wrong, (which is
>fully possible) I don't think you can attack astral things, however, dual
>natured I would say that yes, they'd keep strength, and if it's manifest
>it's not astral so it wouldn't make any difference

Astral Perception is just like being Dual Natured, but you can shut it off.
You open yourself up to astral attack and can make astral attacks yourself.
However, just like a Dual Natured being, you're limited by your physical self.

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"When we can't dream any longer, we die." - Emma Goldman
Message no. 26
From: dhyde79@***.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:27:35 -0600
> Astral Perception is just like being Dual Natured, but you can shut it off.
> You open yourself up to astral attack and can make astral attacks yourself.
> However, just like a Dual Natured being, you're limited by your physical self.


Not that I'm doubting you but do you have a rulebook reference for that one?
That's what projection does, gives you a full astral form......I
thought......
Message no. 27
From: tjlanza@************.com (Timothy J. Lanza)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:42:12 -0500
At 01:27 AM 12/9/2003, Derek Hyde wrote:
> > Astral Perception is just like being Dual Natured, but you can shut it off.
> > You open yourself up to astral attack and can make astral attacks yourself.
> > However, just like a Dual Natured being, you're limited by your
> physical self.
>
>
>Not that I'm doubting you but do you have a rulebook reference for that one?
>That's what projection does, gives you a full astral form......I
>thought......

Page 171, right in the short description for "Astral Perception".

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Message no. 28
From: dhyde79@***.net (Derek Hyde)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:44:04 -0600
>>> Astral Perception is just like being Dual Natured, but you can shut it off.
>>> You open yourself up to astral attack and can make astral attacks yourself.
>>> However, just like a Dual Natured being, you're limited by your
>>> physical self.
>>
>>
>> Not that I'm doubting you but do you have a rulebook reference for that one?
>> That's what projection does, gives you a full astral form......I
>> thought......
>
> Page 171, right in the short description for "Astral Perception".

K, thanks, I'll take a look when I find myself a chance to dig out my book
;)
Message no. 29
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:57:49 +0100
According to Jeff Stewart, on Monday 08 December 2003 19:58 the word on the
street was...

> Out of curiosity - and mainly because I'm finally playing again - what
> about an adepts Killing Hands power? The power itself seems to imply
> that an adept gets to use his Strength instead of his charisma when
> using killing hands and fighting against a spirit or any other
> creature that cannot be harmed with normal weapons.

IMHO, I'd say it allows the adept to choose the Damage Level to be either
that of normal unarmed combat, or of his or her Killing Hands, but would
use Charisma rather than Strength in astral combat.

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Message no. 30
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:02:30 +0100
According to Damion Milliken, on Tuesday 09 December 2003 02:33 the word on
the street was...

> This reminds me of an old discussion ... back in the dark ages (well,
> when web forums didn't exist)

You surely mean the good old days, not the dark ages...

> Anyway, there was once discussion of "portalling" the relevant newsgroup
> to the SR mailing list, and vice-versa. So that any post to the
> newsgroup got emailed to the SR list, and any email to the SR list got
> posted to the newsgroup. I'd not expect the newsgroup to be especially
> active any more (much like the list), but "portalling" them could
> increase the traffic on both.

Are you talking about rec.games.frp.cyber, or some other newsgroup I'm not
aware of?

> As an addition, or rather extension, to this concept, it _might_ be
> possible (through some tricky and intelligent coding and scripting) to
> "portal" connect the web forums and the SR list as well...

We've talked about this before, as I recall; I don't doubt it's possible to
have each post made on the forums also cross-posted to this list, and
vice-versa, but as I said last time, I think we'll only run into
complaints from all sides: we on the mailing list will have a flood of
posts that don't seem to be connected (due to a lack of quoting) and so
will be hard to follow, while the forum regulars will get pages full of
posts that seem to repeat endlessly because they quote a lot more than a
typical forum does...

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Message no. 31
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:05:22 +0100
According to Derek Hyde, on Tuesday 09 December 2003 07:16 the word on the
street was...

> If you're perceiving, you can only see astral, unless I'm wrong, (which
> is fully possible) I don't think you can attack astral things, however,
> dual natured I would say that yes, they'd keep strength, and if it's
> manifest it's not astral so it wouldn't make any difference

If you are astrally perceiving, you are present on the astral plane and can
interact with it. You have a few drawbacks and minor differences compared
to astral projection (mostly that you can't go through walls etc. because
you'll bump into the physical object) but otherwise, you can do everything
that a projecting magician can. That includes fighting any astral critters
you happen to come across.

Think of it this way: an astrally-perceiving magician is exactly the same
as a dual-natured critter. The only difference is that the magician can
choose to _not_ be dual-natured anymore, while the critter can't.

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Message no. 32
From: DamionMilliken@*****.com.au (Damion Milliken)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:35:32 +1100
Gurth writes:

> > This reminds me of an old discussion ... back in the dark ages (well,
> > when web forums didn't exist)
>
> You surely mean the good old days, not the dark ages...

Yes, that would be a much better phrasing. I was thinking technologically, rather than
societally ;-).

> Are you talking about rec.games.frp.cyber, or some other newsgroup I'm not
> aware of?

That would be it, yes. I haven't been there for almost a decade, though. Anyone know if it
still exists?

> We've talked about this before, as I recall; I don't doubt it's possible

Yeah, you're right, as is rather often the case ;-).

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Message no. 33
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:42:29 +0100
According to Damion Milliken, on Tuesday 09 December 2003 12:35 the word on
the street was...

> > Are you talking about rec.games.frp.cyber
>
> That would be it, yes. I haven't been there for almost a decade, though.
> Anyone know if it still exists?

I have no idea... I know I've given it, and some other newsgroups, a few
tries over the past 10 years or so, but never really found them worth the
bother compared to mailing lists. (And WWW forums sit somewhere between
the two, for me.)

> Yeah, you're right, as is rather often the case ;-).

Don't encourage me :)

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Message no. 34
From: chris@*******.com (Chris Maxfield)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:42:33 +1100
Records show that at 11:42 PM on Tuesday 9/12/2003 AEDT, Gurth advised:
>According to Damion Milliken, on Tuesday 09 December 2003 12:35 the word on
>the street was...
>
>> > Are you talking about rec.games.frp.cyber
>> That would be it, yes. I haven't been there for almost a decade, though.
>> Anyone know if it still exists?
>
>I have no idea... I know I've given it, and some other newsgroups, a few
>tries over the past 10 years or so, but never really found them worth the
>bother compared to mailing lists. (And WWW forums sit somewhere between
>the two, for me.)

It's still there and still active though the posts are no more than about
one a day on average. The forums have affected that group as much as this list.

Chris
Message no. 35
From: l-hansen@*****.tele.dk (Lars Wagner Hansen)
Subject: assorted questions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:15:52 +0100
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
<Snip>
> Are you talking about rec.games.frp.cyber, or some other newsgroup I'm not
> aware of?

There is also: news:alt.games.shadowrun and alt.cyberpunk.gurps but neither
of those has much traffic.

> We've talked about this before, as I recall; I don't doubt it's possible
to
> have each post made on the forums also cross-posted to this list, and
> vice-versa, but as I said last time, I think we'll only run into
> complaints from all sides: we on the mailing list will have a flood of
> posts that don't seem to be connected (due to a lack of quoting) and so
> will be hard to follow, while the forum regulars will get pages full of
> posts that seem to repeat endlessly because they quote a lot more than a
> typical forum does...

If only you could choose to have the forums post delivered as e-mail, just
like you can with Yahoo-groups.

I personally would like that, as it would mean that I wouldn't tend to read
the same posts over and over again.

Lars

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