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Message no. 1
From: ATREIDE - Aymeric RICHARD <arichard@****.IRESTE.FR>
Subject: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 15:32:35 +0100
We cannot ground through foci
We cannot ground through watchers
But we can through other spirits...
Can we ground through a magician, a vampire, a dragon or whatever you want ?

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Message no. 2
From: Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 11:36:31 -0400
On Thu, 18 May 1995, ATREIDE - Aymeric RICHARD wrote:

> We cannot ground through foci
> We cannot ground through watchers
> But we can through other spirits...
> Can we ground through a magician, a vampire, a dragon or whatever you want ?
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First you CAN ground through ACTIVE foci. Second ALL dual natured
beings can be grouned through(yes, vampires included). Third you cannot
ground through purely astral entities(such as watchers and non-manifested
spirits). You can ground througha astrally perceving or projecting
magician, but not one who is not astrally aware(as then he is considered
astrally inactive). There is a house rules stating that you can ground
through quickened/anchored spells and sustained physical spells, but I do
not use that rule.

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Message no. 3
From: Jani Fikouras <feanor@**********.UNI-BREMEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 18:14:52 +0200
We ???

> We cannot ground through foci

Official ruling sez you can.

> We cannot ground through watchers

Official ruling sez you can not.

> But we can through other spirits...

Official ruling sez you can.

> Can we ground through a magician, a vampire, a dragon or whatever you want ?

Official ruling sez you can ground through a projecting magician and
the spell will ground back to his body.

Sorry if I sounded like a smart-alek (sp?), but I've sortof
had it with these bash-astral-mages threads.

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Message no. 4
From: ATREIDE - Aymeric RICHARD <arichard@****.IRESTE.FR>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 18:21:31 +0100
Steve :
> > We cannot ground through foci
> First you CAN ground through ACTIVE foci...
Just a copy & paste error :)

> ... You can ground througha astrally perceving or projecting
> magician, but not one who is not astrally aware(as then he is considered
> astrally inactive)...
S/He must be aware of what ? Of that your about to geek him/her ?

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Message no. 5
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 12:20:34 -0400
>>>>> "ATREIDE" == ATREIDE <- Aymeric RICHARD
<arichard@***.ireste.fr>>
>>>>> writes:

ATREIDE> We cannot ground through foci

Yes, you can, if the focus is active.

ATREIDE> We cannot ground through watchers

Correct.

ATREIDE> But we can through other spirits...

Only if they've physically Manifested.

ATREIDE> Can we ground through a magician, a vampire, a dragon or
ATREIDE> whatever you want ?

You can ground through any dual-natured entitity.

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 18:53:55 +0200
>Can we ground through a magician, a vampire, a dragon or whatever you want ?

If they're dual-natured, yes. An astrally perceiving magician is
dual-natured, and so is any critter which has its Essence listed in brackets
( ), so you can ground through them -- they form a bridge between the astral
plane and the physical one.


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Message no. 7
From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:06:26 -0700
>Can we ground through a magician, a vampire, a dragon or whatever
you want ?

If they're dual-natured, yes. An astrally perceiving magician is
dual-natured, and so is any critter which has its Essence listed in
brackets
( ), so you can ground through them -- they form a bridge between
the astral
plane and the physical one.

> > There is no such thing as an imunity in SR.
>
> Yes there is. One bird in the PANA is immune to fire. It doesn't
get extra
> resistance dice or lower target numbers or anything, it just
isn't affected
> by fire at all.
> But that's the only case I can think of.

I guess that this is the exception that proves the rule then :)

so if you could tame this one bird and and have it fly wherever you
are projecting you could
cast fireballs through it without affecting it but affecting
everything else...

***JUST KIDDING***

sorry sorry - I don't want to start any Munchkin debate on
paranormals used
as spell recepticles.
Message no. 8
From: Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 16:01:31 -0400
On Thu, 18 May 1995, ATREIDE - Aymeric RICHARD wrote:

> Steve :
> > > We cannot ground through foci
> > First you CAN ground through ACTIVE foci...
> Just a copy & paste error :)
>
> > ... You can ground througha astrally perceving or projecting
> > magician, but not one who is not astrally aware(as then he is considered
> > astrally inactive)...
> S/He must be aware of what ? Of that your about to geek him/her ?

By astrally aware I means astrally perceiving, either through astral
perception or through astral projection.

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Message no. 9
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 20:46:12 -0400
>>>>> "Menard" == Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
writes:

Menard> By astrally aware I means astrally perceiving, either
Menard> through astral perception or through astral projection.

You may ground through an astrally perceiving mage (that includes
Physical Adepts), but not an astrally projecting mage. A perceiving mage
is dual-natured, but a projecting mage is not. You cannot ground through
a mage casting an instant spell because his brief moment of astral
perception isn't long enough to target, just as you cannot target an
instant spell.

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Message no. 10
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:34:49 +0930
ATREIDE - Aymeric RICHARD wrote:
>
> We cannot ground through foci

Uh? Yes, you can...

> We cannot ground through watchers

Well, that's right.

> But we can through other spirits...
> Can we ground through a magician, a vampire, a dragon or whatever you want ?

You can ground through any dual nature, or astrally projecting being. This
means magicians that are perceiving, vampires, dragons (yeah, right...),
you name it.

No, FAB is not dual natured.

Note that you can not ground through purely astral creatures (like spirits
in non-manifest form, or watchers, or ghosts).

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Message no. 11
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:58:09 +0930
Stainless Steel Rat wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Menard" == Menard Steve
<menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA> writes:
>
> Menard> By astrally aware I means astrally perceiving, either
> Menard> through astral perception or through astral projection.
>
> You may ground through an astrally perceiving mage (that includes
> Physical Adepts), but not an astrally projecting mage. A perceiving mage
> is dual-natured, but a projecting mage is not.

Uh? If you cast a physical spell at an astrally projecting being, the
effects take place at the location of the being's physical body. This
includes the old char-broiling fireballs tossed at the mage's unsuspecting
chummers (mentioned in the sourcebooks all the time). Sure sounds like
grounding to me.

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Message no. 12
From: Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 22:41:32 -0400
On Thu, 18 May 1995, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> >>>>> "Menard" == Menard Steve
<menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA> writes:
>
> Menard> By astrally aware I means astrally perceiving, either
> Menard> through astral perception or through astral projection.
>
> You may ground through an astrally perceiving mage (that includes
> Physical Adepts), but not an astrally projecting mage. A perceiving mage
> is dual-natured, but a projecting mage is not. You cannot ground through
> a mage casting an instant spell because his brief moment of astral
> perception isn't long enough to target, just as you cannot target an
> instant spell.
>
I am sorry but you CAN ground through an astrally projecting mage, the
spell grounds through his body. Of course, since his body is probably out
of sight only elemental effects will cause anything(like setting the
house aflame!)

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--- |\_/| Still The One and Only Wolfbane! ---
--- |o o| " Hey! Why ya lookin' at me so weird? Ain't ya 'ver seen a ---
--- \ / decker witha horn ?" --- Scy, Troll decker with a CC ---
--- 0 Steve Menard menars@***.UMontreal.Ca ---
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Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 09:53:31 +0200
>so if you could tame this one bird and and have it fly wherever you
>are projecting you could
>cast fireballs through it without affecting it but affecting
>everything else...
>
>***JUST KIDDING***

You could kill the bird anyway, as the Fire Resistance power only works
against mundane fire; against magical fire, it functions as Immunity to
Fire: the critter gets twice its Essence in extra dice to resist magical fires.

BTW, I was wrong about Fire Resistance being the only "true" immunity.
Immunity to Cold totally protects the "user" from all normal cold, even if
the temperature is near 0 Kelvin, while giving 2x Essence extra dice to
resist magical cold, and of course Immunity to Age is a real immunity as
well. But apart from these, I don't think there are any powers that make
someone/thing fully immune to anything (and you'll notice that even the ones
mentioned here have drawbacks, usually where it comes to magic)


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Message no. 14
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 09:54:56 -0400
>>>>> "Menard" == Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
writes:

Menard> I am sorry but you CAN ground through an astrally projecting
Menard> mage, the spell grounds through his body. Of course, since his
Menard> body is probably out of sight only elemental effects will cause
Menard> anything(like setting the house aflame!)

D'uh... right.

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Message no. 15
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Astral entities grounding
Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 17:27:23 -0700
On Thu, 18 May 1995, ATREIDE - Aymeric RICHARD wrote:

> We cannot ground through foci

You can ground through foci. The easiest is, of course, the Force 1
Spell lock.

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