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Message no. 1
From: Andy Minor andyman@****.pyro.net
Subject: Astral Projection through living things?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:18:47 -0500 (CDT)
I've been going through the revisions to magic in SR3, and it seems to
indicate that Astrally Projecting Magicians can pass through living
organisms at will. Am I reading this right?

Used to be, in SRII, Astrally Projecting magicians were bounded by living
things. They couldn't pass through people, plants, animals, etc. So as a
method of magical security (before FAB or before it became common, or at
least for those who couldn't afford the expense of FAB), corps could grow
large amounts of ivy on their walls to keep out astral "peekers."

Now, MitS has the screaming leeches as a form of Astral security, and
mundanes get that creepy/cold feeling when mages pass though them on the
astral plane.

Do I have this right? Is ivy completely useless as an astral wall now, as
living things don't act as barriers, only awakened or astrally active
beings? Are the early strains of FAB useless as well?

Just trying to adjust to the new system.

Thanks for your help,
Andy

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Andy Minor
Andyman@****.net
Message no. 2
From: Steadfast laughingman@*******.de
Subject: Astral Projection through living things?
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:48:24 +0200
Andy Minor schrieb:

> I've been going through the revisions to magic in SR3, and it seems to
> indicate that Astrally Projecting Magicians can pass through living
> organisms at will. Am I reading this right?

Yes, this is right. With all the implications that follow. But to be
precise, Astral entities can only pass through mundane living beeings,
anything that is awakened one way or the other, meaning astral active,
blocks movement. Also, the great mother Earth is the last "natural"
line of defense on this planet against astral intruders (or fleeing
ones if you want). An astral beeing can not pass through the earth.
Its solid on the astral.

> Used to be, in SRII, Astrally Projecting magicians were bounded by living
> things. They couldn't pass through people, plants, animals, etc. So as a
> method of magical security (before FAB or before it became common, or at
> least for those who couldn't afford the expense of FAB), corps could grow
> large amounts of ivy on their walls to keep out astral "peekers."

Lets say, that not only the corps did grow some protective Ivy. But
yes, that was a valid and mostly successfull try.

> Now, MitS has the screaming leeches as a form of Astral security, and
> mundanes get that creepy/cold feeling when mages pass though them on the
> astral plane.

Not only do the Corps have the Leech Constructs, but they also got
some other things at hand. For example the guardian vines, an astral
active, awakened form of ivy. Expect some of those scientific research
labs to be set underground now. Also the wards section is powered up
with alarm wards taking the lead. Crucial parts of a possible to be
astrally invaded section of a Corp can be secured by means of
Biofiber, a dual natured plant that, because it is astrally present
blocks LOS and movement.

> Do I have this right? Is ivy completely useless as an astral wall now, as
> living things don't act as barriers, only awakened or astrally active
> beings? Are the early strains of FAB useless as well?

Yes ivy is useless in regard to block astral movement. FAB (strain 1)
still detects astral intruders because it dies when an astral form
passes through it and theeby changing its colour.
Strain 2 of the FAT is now (and to assume it for the "old" days,
always was) dual natured so it still blocks movement if it is
cultivated in tanks set into walls or section of it. If the strain 2
is airborne, then it only prevents the astral form to switch to 6000
km per hour and imposes a +2 penalty for perception tests. Strain 3 is
outright nasty, read that section an dcry. Or rejoice if you are GM
:o)

> Just trying to adjust to the new system.

Try to and always read the lines carefully, sometimes there are only
some slight changes.

> Thanks for your help,
> Andy

Hope it helped

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---> Steadfast
The one, the only.
That is, if you do not count the others.

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Message no. 3
From: Michael & Linda Frankl mlfrankl@*****.msn.com
Subject: Astral Projection through living things?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:08:36 -0400
Steadfast quoth:
>Yes, this is right. With all the implications that follow. But to be
>precise, Astral entities can only pass through mundane living beeings,
>anything that is awakened one way or the other, meaning astral active,
>blocks movement. Also, the great mother Earth is the last "natural"
>line of defense on this planet against astral intruders (or fleeing
>ones if you want). An astral beeing can not pass through the earth.
>Its solid on the astral.


Actually if you read pages 80 and 82 in MiTS an astral form can pass through
mother Earth. It's slow, rather like digging, but it can happen because the
Earth is such a diffused form.

;)

Mike, aka Smilin' Jack
Message no. 4
From: Lloyd Vance ljvance@*******.edu
Subject: Astral Projection through living things?
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:18:30
At 07:08 PM 7/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Steadfast quoth:
>>Yes, this is right. With all the implications that follow. But to be
>>precise, Astral entities can only pass through mundane living beeings,
>>anything that is awakened one way or the other, meaning astral active,
>>blocks movement. Also, the great mother Earth is the last "natural"
>>line of defense on this planet against astral intruders (or fleeing
>>ones if you want). An astral beeing can not pass through the earth.
>>Its solid on the astral.
>
>
>Actually if you read pages 80 and 82 in MiTS an astral form can pass through
>mother Earth. It's slow, rather like digging, but it can happen because the
>Earth is such a diffused form.
>
>;)
>
>Mike, aka Smilin' Jack

Also, earth elementals can aid movement through Earth, don't forget.

The Hamm
aka Lloyd Vance
Message no. 5
From: Steadfast laughingman@*******.de
Subject: Astral Projection through living things?
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 02:42:30 +0200
And so it came to happen that Lloyd Vance wrote in reply to Mike, aka
Smilin' Jack:

> >Steadfast quoth:
> >>Yes, this is right. With all the implications that follow. But to be
> >>precise, Astral entities can only pass through mundane living beeings,
> >>anything that is awakened one way or the other, meaning astral active,
> >>blocks movement. Also, the great mother Earth is the last "natural"
> >>line of defense on this planet against astral intruders (or fleeing
> >>ones if you want). An astral beeing can not pass through the earth.
> >>Its solid on the astral.
> >
> >
> >Actually if you read pages 80 and 82 in MiTS an astral form can pass through
> >mother Earth. It's slow, rather like digging, but it can happen because the
> >Earth is such a diffused form.
> >
> >;)
> >
> >Mike, aka Smilin' Jack
>
> Also, earth elementals can aid movement through Earth, don't forget.

Just one word:

Damn_it_your_right_sloppy_sloppy_of_me!

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---> Steadfast
The one, the only.
That is, if you do not count the others.

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