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Message no. 1
From: Rune Fostervoll <runefo@***.UIO.NO>
Subject: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 05:30:35 +0000
I had this dream..

I was in a mansion; a visitor. The walls were hung with art; the
roofs marble and gold. The floor was earthen, muddy. I was sitting by
a table in a cellar, talking with a mute, eating. The mute looked a
lot like Daedalus in VtM(the series) but nor really.. he was reading
from a 1000+ page, old diary. The first half was why, the second how,
someone had had been tortured. One section described how they had
opened cuts in his face, then stitching them and sealing them with
pitch. They had taken their time, possibly several years. Melissa,
the lady of the house, had left in her wheelchair early in the meal.
I no longer remember just what I ate.. perhaps just as well. I looked
at one of the muddy ponds; it looked like it was shot with blood. We
became worried about Melissa, ran upstairs, and found her in the bed,
writhing. Next to the bed was a burning pentacle inside which was a
reagent glass over a bunsen burner. She was having seizures; the mute
took care of her while I stamped out the fire.

I woke about then, and wondered about a question this group perhaps
can answer..

Can you inscribe a magical circle on cloth and carry it around,
folded?

(Before anyone wonder, I do not know *anyone* named Melissa.).
--
Rune Fostervoll

"But the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we no not of."
Message no. 2
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 05:39:19 -0600
At 05:30 6/26/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I had this dream..
>
><Snipped dream>

And you people said my futuristic racing cars dream was weird? :P

>Can you inscribe a magical circle on cloth and carry it around,
>folded?

I would say no..
I don't know if they'res any rules that talk about this, but if you ask me,
it would be wrong to fold it, at least. It should be preserved as is, IMO.

>(Before anyone wonder, I do not know *anyone* named Melissa.).

Blah, I do.. Sort of a nice ending for her, IMO <g>

-Aj
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Message no. 3
From: Greg Wright <greg.wright@*******.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:54:10 +0100
>Original Message-----
From: Rune Fostervoll [SMTP:runefo@***.UIO.NO]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 1997 6:31 AM
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
Subject: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)

I had this dream..

> <snip>
>
>
>Can you inscribe a magical circle on cloth and carry it around,
>folded?
>
> I would say no as the balance of the magic with the environment would be
>off sink and would give strange results
>
>(Before anyone wonder, I do not know *anyone* named Melissa.).
>
>I DO
>
>Grim_Reaper@********.com
>
>It sure is a Shocking, when death comes a knocking.
Message no. 4
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:47:16 -0700
> I had this dream..

You were fortunate to remember such detail..You should try and turn
this into a larger story...

> I woke about then, and wondered about a question this group perhaps
> can answer..

Rune..Your weird..After that dream..you start thinking about SR....
;P

> Can you inscribe a magical circle on cloth and carry it around,
> folded?

My ruling would be no..as there is more to a magic circle..than a bit
of stain on cloth..and they are usually quite large..filling a whole
room at least..It would become impracticle to fold up such large
pieces of cloth and carry it around just in case..and as others have
said..this is a portal/conection to the astral/metaplanes and when
you disturb its form you break the conection...
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 5
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:15:20 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-26 08:00:00 EDT, runefo@***.UIO.NO (Rune Fostervoll)
writes:

<<
Can you inscribe a magical circle on cloth and carry it around,
folded?

(Before anyone wonder, I do not know *anyone* named Melissa.).
-- >>


Outside of the game modes, the Necronomicon an Al Azif both give indications
of being able to do such...

Inside of game modes, I would say it would be possible, but there would have
to be a "set up time" for making certain the portable materials are properly
usable...magical conjuring especially are nasty...a fold in the cloth would
mean a disruption in the circle's delineal flow of power (I know, big words,
but that is what it would mean).
-Keith
Message no. 6
From: Khayman <gunnerhansen@********.DK>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:40:11 +0000
On 26 Jun 97 at 19:15, J. Keith Henry wrote:

> Outside of the game modes, the Necronomicon an Al Azif both give indications
> of being able to do such...
>
Whooops, one of the oldest CoC mistakes. The Necronomicon, by the Mad
Arab is _not_ historical. It was invented by HPL when he was 12 or so
(yes a talented young man). Trust me. Its pure fiction.

> Inside of game modes, I would say it would be possible, but there would have
> to be a "set up time" for making certain the portable materials are
properly
> usable...magical conjuring especially are nasty...a fold in the cloth would
> mean a disruption in the circle's delineal flow of power (I know, big words,
> but that is what it would mean).
> -Keith

Yes I agree. Magical symbols has to be written on something sturdy
and lasting. But then again wizards carry them n their robes all the
time. This gotta be one of the good old: the GM decides ; )

-Khayman
Mikkel Hansen, Denmark, Maribo 4930 EMail: gunnerhansen@********.dk
Homepage: http://cybercom.dk/remote/mikkel/greenman.htm
"Alas, ice surround me, my hand burns itself on the icyness!
Alas, thirst is in me, it craves after your thirst." -Nietzsche (my trsl.)
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Message no. 7
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:53:26 EDT
On Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:40:11 +0000 Khayman <gunnerhansen@********.DK>
writes:
>On 26 Jun 97 at 19:15, J. Keith Henry wrote:
>
>> Outside of the game modes, the Necronomicon an Al Azif both give
indications
>> of being able to do such...
>>
>Whooops, one of the oldest CoC mistakes. The Necronomicon, by the Mad
>Arab is _not_ historical. It was invented by HPL when he was 12 or so
>(yes a talented young man). Trust me. Its pure fiction.

... and *good* too.

>Yes I agree. Magical symbols has to be written on something sturdy
>and lasting. But then again wizards carry them n their robes all the
>time. This gotta be one of the good old: the GM decides ; )

I see nothing wrong with inscribing a hermetic circle on some sort of
fabric. I don't hink it really matters what the surface is, only that
the circle remains intact. This of course means that something
drawn/painted on a *large* sheet of something that is going to be rolled
up and stuff is probably going to suffer a bit more wear and tear that
something inscribed on a wood, stone, or linoleum floor. I do agree with
the idea that you can't just pull it out of your pocket, unfold it and
whip up a nice spirit... some care would probably need to be taken to
ensure that it's all in order (but nothing like the hours that creating a
whole new one would take).

~Tim (who thinks mages would have a *much* easier time explaining away
the large intricate design on their rug...)
Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:04:17 +0100
I wish I had vivid dreams like that.....
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Message no. 9
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:37:25 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-28 07:26:07 EDT, gunnerhansen@********.DK (Khayman)
writes:

> Whooops, one of the oldest CoC mistakes. The Necronomicon, by the Mad
> Arab is _not_ historical. It was invented by HPL when he was 12 or so
> (yes a talented young man). Trust me. Its pure fiction.

>>>[Trouble is Khayman, it's based upon something that is mentioned in
historical reference...and much of HPL took it from came from there, it's
called the Bible...Al Azif was used as a reference guide as well, though for
different sources such as Ereshkigal and Namtar (which is yet another
'nickname' for a different being entirely...) the Nomicon is sort of a
"Wizard's Handbook", and sadly it is the only piece of literature that can be
readily purchased in -most- areas of the United States on the subject of
purely alternate 'religion' without having it been banned by some other
organization or having to go look in "Talismongera Obscurae" (aka, backhole
bookstores).
And besides, as you so noted, it's a fictional work, which means you -could-
use it to reference to/for another fictional work (SR).]<<<
Message no. 10
From: Khayman <gunnerhansen@********.DK>
Subject: Re: A strange dream(off topic) and a question (on topic)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:49:48 +0000
On 28 Jun 97 at 11:37, J. Keith Henry wrote:

> >>>[Trouble is Khayman, it's based upon something that is mentioned in
> historical reference...and much of HPL took it from came from there, it's
> called the Bible...Al Azif was used as a reference guide as well, though for
> different sources such as Ereshkigal and Namtar (which is yet another
> 'nickname' for a different being entirely...) the Nomicon is sort of a
> "Wizard's Handbook", and sadly it is the only piece of literature that can
be
> readily purchased in -most- areas of the United States on the subject of
> purely alternate 'religion' without having it been banned by some other
> organization or having to go look in "Talismongera Obscurae" (aka, backhole
> bookstores).

Hmmm, yes. All fiction is based upon reality, isn't it. And much of
our civilization is based upon the Bible. I have a copy of a Nomicon
fake, which is also a quite talented piece of work, mixing assyrian
mythology/astrology/astronomy with historical and geographical facts.
But of course its still quite interesting, itnit? : )
"la mayyaitan ma qadiran yatabaqa sarmadi fa itha yaji ashshuthath
almautu qad yantahi - Abdul alhazred"

"Demons with dog faces is closing in on the peremiter of this my
sanctity. Alien lines appear, carved in my door and my walls (...)
A wind has risen. The dark waters move. This is the book of the
servant of the Gods... -AA"

Those are quotes from that copy. The latter is my translation from
Danish, so bear with me. : )

> And besides, as you so noted, it's a fictional work, which means you
> -could- use it to reference to/for another fictional work (SR).]<<<

I agree. I didn't state otherwise, did I?

-Khayman
Mikkel Hansen, Denmark, Maribo 4930 EMail: gunnerhansen@********.dk
Homepage: http://cybercom.dk/remote/mikkel/greenman.htm
"Alas, ice surround me, my hand burns itself on the icyness!
Alas, thirst is in me, it craves after your thirst." -Nietzsche (my trsl.)
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