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Message no. 1
From: Egil Geir Brautaset <egilbra@***.UNIT.NO>
Subject: A technical question:
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 12:13:48 +0200
Sometimes I get the answers to postings to this list before I actually
get the postings themselves. Does anyone know why?


-- Egil <egilbra@***.unit.no>
Message no. 2
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: A technical question:
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 12:36:14 +0100
> Sometimes I get the answers to postings to this list before I actually
> get the postings themselves. Does anyone know why?

Timezones. Right now, over here, it's actually later on in
the day for you,
So, if I send something to you now, you shouldn't really get
it until _after_ it's been this time for you, but if the
Internet makes a mistake and sends my message the wrong way
round the world, you'll actually receive my answer yesterday,
before you even write the question.
Understand now?

Jackin' out...

/> Dodger
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Message no. 3
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: A technical question:
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 10:58:52 -0400
>>>>> "Egil" == Egil Geir Brautaset <egilbra@***.UNIT.NO>
writes:

Egil> Sometimes I get the answers to postings to this list before I actually
Egil> get the postings themselves. Does anyone know why?

To get to some places requires "hopping" through several different hosts. Some
of these hosts will queue messages in a smallest to largest order. So the
short answer gets passed through before the longer question.

Another possible reason is when one machine attempts to contact another and
fails because the target is busy, it (the question) goes to another host,
taking a longer route to get where it's going. Meanwhile the target host in
question frees up and accepts the next message (the answer) taking the short
route.

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Message no. 4
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: A technical question:
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 12:40:49 -0400
On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Egil Geir Brautaset wrote:

> Sometimes I get the answers to postings to this list before I actually
> get the postings themselves. Does anyone know why?
>
That happens to me, also. It has to do with the path the message
takes to get from HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl (where _is_ Hearn, geographically,
anyway?) to your mailbox -- sometimes different messages will take
different paths.
I've also noticed that shorter messages often get through faster
than the longer ones.
Message no. 5
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: A technical question:
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 13:17:04 -0500
On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> That happens to me, also. It has to do with the path the message
> takes to get from HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl (where _is_ Hearn, geographically,
> anyway?)

The netherlands. Dunno the exact city.

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <jweste%smtp@******.HZEELAND.NL>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 12:29:47 +0200
>message takes to get from HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl (where _is_ Hearn,
>geographically, anyway?) to your mailbox -- sometimes different

I don't know very much about these addresses, but the "nl" at the end
leads me to believe it's in the Netherlands (what you chummers tend to
call Holland, and which pisses me off real bad...)



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Gurth + "Ik kom u vrede en geluk brengen." +
+ (jweste%smtp@******.hzeeland.nl) + "MOOI! ZET MAAR IN DE GANG NEER!" +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Message no. 7
From: Egil Geir Brautaset <egilbra@***.UNIT.NO>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 17:03:27 +0200
On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Gurth wrote:

> >message takes to get from HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl (where _is_ Hearn,
> >geographically, anyway?) to your mailbox -- sometimes different
>
> I don't know very much about these addresses, but the "nl" at the end
> leads me to believe it's in the Netherlands (what you chummers tend to
> call Holland, and which pisses me off real bad...)

So enlighten us! Where/what is Holland then?

>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> + Gurth + "Ik kom u vrede en geluk brengen." +
> + (jweste%smtp@******.hzeeland.nl) + "MOOI! ZET MAAR IN DE GANG NEER!" +
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


-- Egil <egilbra@***.unit.no>
Message no. 8
From: Koert Vynckier <kvynckir@***.VUB.AC.BE>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 18:19:06 +0200
> > leads me to believe it's in the Netherlands (what you chummers tend to
> > call Holland, and which pisses me off real bad...)
> So enlighten us! Where/what is Holland then?
>
> -- Egil <egilbra@***.unit.no>
Holland is a part of The Netherlands, it's not T.N. (Nederland in Dutch).
Nederland is a country, Holland isn't.

NightOwl
Message no. 9
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:43:06 -0400
On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Koert Vynckier wrote:

> Holland is a part of The Netherlands, it's not T.N. (Nederland in Dutch).
> Nederland is a country, Holland isn't.
>
> NightOwl
>
NightOwl, Chill out..do you know how many times I was asked what country
I lived in back in the US, while I was living overseas in europe?? more
than I can count..Not everyone has all that good a grasp of
geography..The way I would handle it was tell whoever had asked that the
State I am from is Texas...and in this was I corrected the person without
scolding them for their lack of knowledge....
---------------------------GRANITE
Message no. 10
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:51:53 -0500
On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, C. Paul Douglas wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Koert Vynckier wrote:

> Holland is a part of The Netherlands, it's not T.N. (Nederland in Dutch).
> Nederland is a country, Holland isn't.
>
> NightOwl

Does anybody know if Holland would still have family records? Most of the
counties that were attacked by Germany had this information destroyed an
d I don't know if Holland was one of them.


--
Ahern T. Stephan
maxim@*******.mankato.msus.edu

"Artificial Intelligence Beats Real Stupidity"
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <jweste%smtp@******.HZEELAND.NL>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 12:39:43 +0200
>NightOwl, Chill out..do you know how many times I was asked what country
>I lived in back in the US, while I was living overseas in europe?? more
>than I can count..Not everyone has all that good a grasp of
>geography..The way I would handle it was tell whoever had asked that the
>State I am from is Texas...and in this was I corrected the person
>without scolding them for their lack of knowledge....

My guess is that those people got the words "country" and "state"
mixed
up. IMO, states are a pretty foreign concept to many Europeans. Plus,
from what I've seen and read, the average European knows more about
geography than the average American. No offense or anything :+)



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Gurth + "Ik kom u vrede en geluk brengen." +
+ (jweste%smtp@******.hzeeland.nl) + "MOOI! ZET MAAR IN DE GANG NEER!" +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Message no. 12
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 09:27:28 -0500
>NightOwl, Chill out..do you know how many times I was asked what country
>I lived in back in the US, while I was living overseas in europe?? more
>than I can count..Not everyone has all that good a grasp of
>geography..The way I would handle it was tell whoever had asked that the
>State I am from is Texas...and in this was I corrected the person without
>scolding them for their lack of knowledge....


But Granite, Texas _IS_ it's own country. Just ask them... :)

Matt- an out of place Texan
Message no. 13
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:19:56 -0400
On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Gurth wrote:
Plus,
> from what I've seen and read, the average European knows more about
> geography than the average American. No offense or anything :+)

None taken..I am forced to agree..as many kids in American schools way
back when I was going through geography class - I regretfully concidered
it a useless waiste of my time..So naturally, when I grew up and joined
the military....A big part of my job gets to be what is where and by the
way what is the city near that...So I have had to learn geography the hard
way. And of course, just as with history europeans live where it all
happened so it is much easier to grasp all the while many US students
view it as something very abstract..
-----------------GRANITE
Message no. 14
From: "C. Paul Douglas" <granite@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:27:09 -0400
On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Matt wrote:

> But Granite, Texas _IS_ it's own country. Just ask them... :)
>
> Matt- an out of place Texan
>
Well..this is true..And Texas is the only state that still retains the
right to susceed from the union [of course if they tried...], or break up
into 5 smaller states [but bigger is better]
------------------GRANITE - ANOTHER OUT OF PLACE TEXAN
Message no. 15
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 22:02:16 +0100
> On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Gurth wrote:
> Plus,
> > from what I've seen and read, the average European knows more about
> > geography than the average American. No offense or anything :+)

Hehee... My entire knowledge of American geography was learnt
as a result of being a roleplayer, mainly along the lines, of
"Where the hell _is_ Lake Geneva anyway?"
"Hmmm.. There it is! *points at Atlas* Beside that lake..."
"Say! There's Chicago! That's there FASA are..."
"And there's Bloomington... GDW..."
"There's Detroit as well... Palladium..."
"Where the fuck's Stone Mountain, though..."
"It's that place with the big carvings of people..."
"What? Mount Rushmore?"
"Noo! I dunno - Look it up in the Index for Chrissake..."
&c &c &c...

Quite a cool way of learning your geography, I'm sure you'll
admit.

By the way, I never knew where Seattle was until I started
playing Shadowrun...

:)
Jackin' out...

/> Dodger
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Message no. 16
From: "J. Long" <LONG2469@********.BITNET>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 16:35:13 -0500
>>NightOwl, Chill out..do you know how many times I was asked what country
>>I lived in back in the US, while I was living overseas in europe?? more
>>than I can count..Not everyone has all that good a grasp of
>>geography..The way I would handle it was tell whoever had asked that the
>>State I am from is Texas...and in this was I corrected the person
>>without scolding them for their lack of knowledge....
>
>My guess is that those people got the words "country" and "state"
mixed
>up. IMO, states are a pretty foreign concept to many Europeans. Plus,
>from what I've seen and read, the average European knows more about
>geography than the average American. No offense or anything :+)



Chummers:

My guess is that you are both a little correct, most European countries are
not even as large as some of our states here in the U.S. I.E. Germany is only
approximately 1/2 the size of the state of Texas. When we had visitors over
for an exchange concert from Danemark, they said upon leaving that "EVERYTHING
was Bigger in America." That pretty much sums it up for me. The European
countries are often too small to be further devided into state, the Ex-Soviet
union is a notable exception, which proves the rule.

Stay Frosty,

Jamison Long (AKA Neuromancer)
LONG2469@******.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
Gewehren, Gewehren, Gewehren, Meine leben wurde sein so bohren ohne siene
Message no. 17
From: "Brian W. Allison" <bwa550s@***.SMSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 18:28:02 -0500
On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, C. Paul Douglas wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Matt wrote:
>
> > But Granite, Texas _IS_ it's own country. Just ask them... :)
> >
> > Matt- an out of place Texan
> >
> Well..this is true..And Texas is the only state that still retains the
> right to susceed from the union [of course if they tried...], or break up
> into 5 smaller states [but bigger is better]

You know, Alaska considered splitting up into 2 states, each with 1/2 the
land.

They wanted to make Texas the 3rd largest state.

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Message no. 18
From: A cohort's CoHort <cohort@******.CONNECTED.COM>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 18:09:10 -0700
On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, C. Paul Douglas wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Matt wrote:
>
> > But Granite, Texas _IS_ it's own country. Just ask them... :)
> >
> > Matt- an out of place Texan
> >
> Well..this is true..And Texas is the only state that still retains the
> right to susceed from the union [of course if they tried...], or break up
> into 5 smaller states [but bigger is better]
> ------------------GRANITE - ANOTHER OUT OF PLACE TEXAN
But, then, of course, if my home country of Alaska decides to split, we
could make Texas the third largest state in the Union. and there is a
pretty big Successionist movement there.

cohort@******.connected.com
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Message no. 19
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 21:26:39 -0700
>> Plus,
>> > from what I've seen and read, the average European knows more about
>> > geography than the average American. No offense or anything :+)
>
> Hehee... My entire knowledge of American geography was learnt
> as a result of being a roleplayer, mainly along the lines, of
> "Where the hell _is_ Lake Geneva anyway?"
> "Hmmm.. There it is! *points at Atlas* Beside that lake..."
> "Say! There's Chicago! That's there FASA are..."
> "And there's Bloomington... GDW..."
> "There's Detroit as well... Palladium..."
> "Where the fuck's Stone Mountain, though..."
> "It's that place with the big carvings of people..."
> "What? Mount Rushmore?"
> "Noo! I dunno - Look it up in the Index for Chrissake..."
> &c &c &c...

HEY!!!!!!!

You forgot Honesdale PA - Home of "West End Games"

And if you can find this on a US map - congrats
"Its nearish to Scranton Pa
4 1/2 - 5 1/2 hours north of Philly"

I have evem been there :) (chorus concert didn't know West End Games was there
till later)

At least I think West End Games is still there - I"ll have to check.

Ps . American's are horrible about geography.

Think of it this way, Europeans probably are more knowledgable about the
geography because their contries are smaller. With American's our country is
bigger than Europe (I think) this has lead to a BIG ego problem of thinking
that geography is not that important. Europeans are much more aware of the
world around them because it is so close much closer.

Our other problem is of course the fact that we still think we are great - and
don't work at even being good anymore.


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Message no. 20
From: Unix_Kurs7044 <c7044@*****.RZ.UNI-REGENSBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 09:54:44 +0200
I'd just like to give a good translation for Jamison Long (AKA Neuromancer):

Waffen, Waffen, Waffen. Wie langweilig waere mein Leben ohne sie!

Think about it, ... St.Willkofer
Message no. 21
From: The Powerhouse <P.C.Steele@*********.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 11:10:14 +0100
In reply to J Gavigan .....

> By the way, I never knew where Seattle was until I started
> playing Shadowrun...

Well I had a rough idea where it was but I was amazed when one day I actually
glanced at an atlas and found out that Redmond, Bellvue et al were not imaginary
places !


Oh a point on states declaring independance, Britain has a similar <but not as
strong> thing with Yorkshire <my home county :) > where you're not English,
British or anything else, you're Yorkshire. Apparentlty a good few years ago
a little village near where I lived actually declared U.D.I. (unilateral
declaration of independance), the local pub landlord became Prime Minister,
the local bobby became home secretary and a local farmer became defense minister
<armed with a shotgun :) >, this was not so much Yorkshire speratism though as
a problem with local taxes (rates as they used to be called).

Phill.
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Department Of Electrical & Electronic Engineering | Political Correctness !
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Message no. 22
From: Can I play with madness <MKNABUSCH@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 11:35:41 -0400
We are not all horrible at geography. Heck, as a history
major (specializing in Medieval Europe) I find it interesting
and helpful to know my geography. Of course, I started learning
because my parents took an annual vacation/business trip and let
oops left my brother and I at home. So we would use the globe and
their itinerary to find where they were each night. Nice way to
spend a month with a babysitter.
Michael
aka Harlequin
And yes, later I did do which gaming co. was where.
Message no. 23
From: jacob hawkins <HAWKINSJ@********.WA.COM>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 20:04:50 +0200
If you want an accurate account of Seattle in the 2050's read 2XS. I
swear the author has lived in Seattle for a while or at least studied
the area. Living in the area, I was able to recognize the places the
characters went and realize exactly where the action was taking place.
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Message no. 24
From: Amadeus <S9310226@********.ICS.HAWAII.EDU>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 09:00:06 1000
>
> Oh a point on states declaring independance, Britain has a similar <but not as
> strong> thing with Yorkshire <my home county :) > where you're not English,
> British or anything else, you're Yorkshire.
> Phill.
That's the same way with the Scots. When I was living in Cambelltown
(a wee town in the Highlands & Islands part of Scotland), the last
thing the locals would admit was that they were "British" or anyway
associated with the English. In fact, every major election year,
Scotland tries to become independent of the United Kingdom. I even
remember Sean Connery campaigning for it...
Message no. 25
From: "J. Long" <LONG2469@********.BITNET>
Subject: Re: A technical question: - Reply
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 18:58:55 -0500
Date sent: 26-APR-1994 18:57:15


>I'd just like to give a good translation for Jamison Long (AKA Neuromancer):
>
>Waffen, Waffen, Waffen. Wie langweilig waere mein Leben ohne sie!
>
>Think about it, ... St.Willkofer

Thanks Chummer:

I guess I'm just not thinking to well lately, I appreciate the
proper traslation, and it wasn't till I look it up in my SR-II book that I
realized how woefully wrong my own translation was. Thanks again. :^)
_______________________________________________________________________________
Jamison J. Long (AKA Neuromancer, Flag Admiral, Jamie) [{Founder T.E.R.R.A}]
LONG2469@******.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU or LONG2469@********.bitnet

Alia iacta est. (The Die is Cast.) -Iulius Caesar, upon crossing the Rubicon.
{Also the Motto of T.E.R.R.A. [The Embry-Riddle Roleplaying Assoc.]}

Non est Ad Astra Mollis e Terris via.
(there is no easy path to the stars from earth.)
{my personal Motto}

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