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Message no. 1
From: "Michael A. Kauffman" <mak9@******.EDU>
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 13:38:54 EST
Is there any information in print about Aztlan? All I can find is short
references to it in various SR products (NAN 1&2, Neo-NA, SRII) but nothing
solid just rumors and the like. I am trying to develop a campaign that will
take the players to Aztlan. Particularly the Yucatan Peninsula. If there is
not anything substantial in print, please post opinions you may have. My
interests are in their attitude toward Archeology (Mayan), what happened to
Belize (small country south of Mexico), access to transportation into and out
of , etc. Any suggestions will be appreciated.


Thanks,

Mike Kauffman
AKA Amonchare
Message no. 2
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:57:59 -0400
Greetings,

Has anyone confirmed the 'cast' of Aztlan ?

Definate:
The Big 'D' = Dunkelzahn
The Laughing Man = Harlequin
Hecate = Alachia
Wordsmyth = Ehran the Scribe

Unknown:
Jungle Cat = ? [Someone from Amazonia]
Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
Lady of the Court = ? [The Queen of Tir na nOg ?]
Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]
Brightlight = ? ???

jhm

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Message no. 3
From: "Randy Nickel (General)" <a-randyn@*********.com>
Subject: RE: Atzlan
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:33:22 -0700
Greetings,

Has anyone confirmed the 'cast' of Aztlan ?

Definate:
The Big 'D' = Dunkelzahn
The Laughing Man = Harlequin
Hecate = Alachia
Wordsmyth = Ehran the Scribe

Unknown:
Jungle Cat = ? [Someone from Amazonia]
Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
Lady of the Court = ? [The Queen of Tir na nOg ?]
Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]
Brightlight = ? ???

Actually I was wondering what Atzalan are you talking about? The
sourcebook? Or is there something else?

Randy
Message no. 4
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:28:31 -0400
Greetings,

30 Apr 96 14:33, "Randy Nickel (General)" <a-randyn@*********.com> wrote:

>RNG> Actually I was wondering what Atzalan are you talking about? The
>RNG> sourcebook? Or is there something else?

The sourcebook. There is a conversation with the above participants threaded
through the book.

jhm

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Message no. 5
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:48:19 GMT
> From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)

> Greetings,
>
> Has anyone confirmed the 'cast' of Aztlan ?
>
That means Atzlan sourcebook. At least i hope it does :)
This has been arround before but we do now have more info.

> Definate:
> The Big 'D' = Dunkelzahn
> The Laughing Man = Harlequin
> Hecate = Alachia
Are you sure about that one. I will have to check if that guess ahs
been shot down or not.

> Wordsmyth = Ehran the Scribe
>
> Unknown:
> Jungle Cat = ? [Someone from Amazonia]
Thats all i think anyone will manage for certain

> Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
Unconfirmed but a possibility.

> Lady of the Court = ? [The Queen of Tir na nOg ?]
Brane Deigh, is correct, she obviously represnets the Tir and is
'young' i.e. not born of the fourth world (prob spike baby) which all
fits.

> Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
> Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]
Captian Chaos say two Human mages. Assuming he is correct in that,
and he probably is then i don't know who they could be.

> Brightlight = ? ???
Ah Ha!
I actually guessed this one right he 'Leonardo Da Vinchi' from the
Novel 'Black Madonna' try copmaring the places the art is with page
66 of the Atzlan Sourcebook where they talk about Brightlight. This
one was directly confirmed by one of the freelancers on the list, i
would have posted a lot earlier but was far too busy for over a month
after the novel came out to post much and got beaten to it by someone
that actually knew.

====
Now Otaku.
Read 'black Madonna'. more info but on 'direct' answers.
Ambrose? - no info

>
> jhm
>
Mark
Message no. 6
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: RE: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:29:09 +0100
Randy Nickel (General) <shadowrn@********.itribe.net> said on 14:33/30 Apr
96...

> Has anyone confirmed the 'cast' of Aztlan ?
>
[snip]
>
> Actually I was wondering what Atzalan are you talking about? The
> sourcebook? Or is there something else?

The sourcebook. Although I don't own it, the names mentioned (which I
snipped) are those of the people making "shadow"-comments in the book. As
with VR2.0 and It, there was a big discussion about these folks on this
list last year, just after the Aztlan book came out.

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Message no. 7
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 96 19:42:10 +1030
>Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]

Umsondo is a Zulu word... I'd expect him to be one of the Shamans of the
elf nations in Southern Africa.


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Message no. 8
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:12:27 +0100 (BST)
|That means Atzlan sourcebook. At least i hope it does :)
|This has been arround before but we do now have more info.
|
|> Definate:
|> The Big 'D' = Dunkelzahn
|> The Laughing Man = Harlequin
|> Hecate = Alachia
|Are you sure about that one. I will have to check if that guess ahs
|been shot down or not.
|
|> Wordsmyth = Ehran the Scribe
|>
|> Unknown:
|> Jungle Cat = ? [Someone from Amazonia]
|Thats all i think anyone will manage for certain
|
|> Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
|Unconfirmed but a possibility.
You mean Urdli? He's in "Never Trust an Elf" as well.....

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Message no. 9
From: PDL@****.dacom.co.kr
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 96 21:25:18 PDT
---------------Original Message---------------
>Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]

Umsondo is a Zulu word... I'd expect him to be one of the Shamans of the
elf nations in Southern Africa.


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I interested in the Zulu nation. Anyone have any good
sources on it?

Patrick
Message no. 10
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 16:34:38 GMT
> From: PDL@****.dacom.co.kr

> > >Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
> >
> > Umsondo is a Zulu word... I'd expect him to be one of the Shamans
> > of the elf nations in Southern Africa.
>
> I interested in the Zulu nation. Anyone have any good
> sources on it?
>
No, there is very little data. It only actually shows up as far as i
know in one novel, 'Nosferatu' i think, but i'm working from
memory. (someone correct as needed).

The Zulu/ South African Elves Nation is the third Elven Nation
mentioned so Far the other being the Tir's of course.

These three places between them 'probably' match the 4th world
nations of 'wyrm wood (later Blood wood)', Shoistra [well the
spelling awful - the break away elven nation] and Thera [after all
their island blew up at the end of the fourth world so they will have
had to relocate, yes elves founded it though it rather diversified,
see an ED expert for more].

As to actually trying to pin down the solution to this one, plenty
folks have tried, failed, see the masses of ED-SR crossover stuff
some of it undersupported so big long arguements only if you have new
info [but do post if you have more info, with supporting
reference Much preffered] please a big thread on this will annoy some
folks.

> Patrick
>
Mark
Message no. 11
From: David van Nederveen Meerkerk <D.N.M.vanNederveen@***.ruu.nl>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:59:08 +0200 (MET DST)
> The Zulu/ South African Elves Nation is the third Elven Nation
> mentioned so Far the other being the Tir's of course.
Not true. We have the Duchy of Pomorya (or something like that) in the
germany sourcebook. of course these don't seem the "immortal, always
scheming" elves like the others. They just want to clean the sea.

VrGr

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Message no. 12
From: "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.COM>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 13:54:58 -0500 (CDT)
On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, J Hulley-Miller wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Has anyone confirmed the 'cast' of Aztlan ?
>

I think this one gets rehashed more often than PhysAd vs. StreetSammy. =)

[snip]

> Unknown:
[snip]
> Lady of the Court = ? [The Queen of Tir na nOg ?]

If you mean the Queen of the Seelie Court, Brane Deigh, you'd be
correct. She's more of the "spiritual leader" than the ruler of the
country... though, often times that difference is more academic than
anything else...

> Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
> Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]

The two are using otaku lingo that you can find in VR 2.0. I doubt it's
Lofwyr, because he'd probably have little concern for that... However,
speaking of Otaku and the Great Dragons, Hestaby in CalFree State is
rumored to have some connections with the "Spirits of the Machine". =)

> Brightlight = ? ???
>

The current rumor I've heard regarding this one is that it's Leo from
Black madona... I haven't read the book... that's just the concensus I
think they reached on rec.games.frp.cyber. Leo is also known as Leonardo
da Vinci. =)



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Message no. 13
From: Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 08:43:05 +1000 (EST)
> The Zulu/ South African Elves Nation is the third Elven Nation
> mentioned so Far the other being the Tir's of course.

There will be another Elven Nation in the Australian Sourcebook, it will
go by the name 'Tir Millae' or something like that. For those of you who
know Australia, it will be positioned on the Northern tip of Cape York
Peninsula


Ray.
Message no. 14
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 19:06:11 -0400
Greetings,

01 May 96 08:48, "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk> wrote:

>> Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
>> Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]
>MS> Captian Chaos say two Human mages. Assuming he is correct in that,
>MS> and he probably is then i don't know who they could be.

Where do you get this conversation from ? (pp?)

jhm

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Message no. 15
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 19:09:13 -0400
Greetings,

01 May 96 19:42, Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au> wrote:

>RW> Umsondo is a Zulu word... I'd expect him to be one of the Shamans of the
>RW> elf nations in Southern Africa.

What is the exact translation ? FASA seems to like names that link.

jhm

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Message no. 16
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 19:23:25 -0400
Greetings,

02 May 96 08:43, Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au> wrote:

>RM> There will be another Elven Nation in the Australian Sourcebook,

When is this due, and under what title ? Tnx.

jhm

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Message no. 17
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 19:11:41 -0400
Greetings,

01 May 96 12:12, "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> wrote:

>|> Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
>| Unconfirmed but a possibility.
>AH> You mean Urdli? He's in "Never Trust an Elf" as well.....

Yes... The reason I specified v3 is because in it he is aluded to as a Watcher
of some sort...

jhm

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Message no. 18
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 19:14:40 -0400
Greetings,

01 May 96 13:54, "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.COM> wrote:

>> Has anyone confirmed the 'cast' of Aztlan ?
>DBvS> I think this one gets rehashed more often than PhysAd vs. StreetSammy.

Sorry, I just joined the list recently.

>> Lady of the Court = ? [The Queen of Tir na nOg ?]
>DBvS> If you mean the Queen of the Seelie Court, Brane Deigh, [...]
>DBvS> though, often times that difference is more academic than
>DBvS> anything else...

Exactly :)

>> Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
>> Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]

>DBvS> The two are using otaku lingo that you can find in VR 2.0.

Good point. But that still doesnt explain whose faction they belong to.
Brightlight ?

>DBvS> The current rumor I've heard regarding this one is that it's Leo from
>DBvS> Black madona... I haven't read the book...

I read the book a few weeks before Atzlan. It does make sense, and I think he
might have been refered to as Brightlight.

jhm

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Message no. 19
From: Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 09:40:51 +1000 (EST)
On Wed, 1 May 1996, J Hulley-Miller wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> 02 May 96 08:43, Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au> wrote:
>
> >RM> There will be another Elven Nation in the Australian Sourcebook,
>
> When is this due, and under what title ? Tnx.

I don't know when it's due sorry. The guy that's writing it though
published his ideas in a magazine called 'Australian Realms' before FASA
got him to write the sourcebook. He's finished he's side, now it's just
up to FASA.
Message no. 20
From: Valerie A Olson <volson@********.ca>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 20:24:56 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, 2 May 1996, Ray Macey wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 1 May 1996, J Hulley-Miller wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > 02 May 96 08:43, Ray Macey <r.macey@*******.qut.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> > >RM> There will be another Elven Nation in the Australian Sourcebook,
> >
> > When is this due, and under what title ? Tnx.
>
> I don't know when it's due sorry. The guy that's writing it though
> published his ideas in a magazine called 'Australian Realms' before FASA
> got him to write the sourcebook. He's finished he's side, now it's just
> up to FASA.
>
I heard a rumour that FASA canned the project after they read the final
draft, way I hear it they just didn't like what the dude came up with.
Any one out there confirm or deny these rumours?

Cheers,
ROO-MAN.
Message no. 21
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:39:25 GMT
J Hulley-Miller writes
>
> 01 May 96 08:48, "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >> Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
> >> Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]


> >MS> Captian Chaos say two Human mages. Assuming he is correct in that,
> >MS> and he probably is then i don't know who they could be.
>
> Where do you get this conversation from ? (pp?)
>
Ah we have two different things here. Possibly overfast answering
of posts, don't know if i managed that or you, maybe misunderstanding.

The two human mages talking that captian chaos mentions are from
Cybertchnology the debate on cybermancy etc. I really mean etc,
things such as the 'astral pollution' in Atzlan and what really
happen to Thera/Atlantis at the end of the fourth world are also in
that conversation.


while the unknown 1&2 are presumably the guys from Atzlan - these are
not the same folks. We have no direct leads on thier ID's but the
Otaku lingo lead might be worth chasing.

Hope that clears things up

Mark
Message no. 22
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:36:22 +0100 (BST)
|
|Greetings,
|
|01 May 96 12:12, "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk> wrote:
|
|>|> Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
|>| Unconfirmed but a possibility.
|>AH> You mean Urdli? He's in "Never Trust an Elf" as well.....
|
|Yes... The reason I specified v3 is because in it he is aluded to as a Watcher
|of some sort...

I think he was just assigned to watch over the Spirit trap thingy that held
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Message no. 23
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 11:50:56 +0100
J Hulley-Miller <shadowrn@********.itribe.net> said on 19:23/ 1 May 96...

> >RM> There will be another Elven Nation in the Australian Sourcebook,
>
> When is this due, and under what title ? Tnx.

I don't know the title, but it should be out early next year (it was
planned for early *this* year, but has been postponed).

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Message no. 24
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Thu, 2 May 96 19:42:55 +1030
>01 May 96 19:42, Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au> wrote:
>
>>RW> Umsondo is a Zulu word... I'd expect him to be one of the Shamans of the
>>RW> elf nations in Southern Africa.
>
>What is the exact translation ? FASA seems to like names that link.

I don't have a clue... I'd have to ask my South African friend again.

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Message no. 25
From: "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.com>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:26:41 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 1 May 1996, J Hulley-Miller wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> 01 May 96 08:48, "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >> Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
> >> Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]
> >MS> Captian Chaos say two Human mages. Assuming he is correct in that,
> >MS> and he probably is then i don't know who they could be.
>
> Where do you get this conversation from ? (pp?)
>

The very back of the Aztlan Sourcebook.

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Message no. 26
From: Lady Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Atzlan
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 13:09:36 +1000 (EST)
> > The Zulu/ South African Elves Nation is the third Elven Nation
> > mentioned so Far the other being the Tir's of course.
>
> There will be another Elven Nation in the Australian Sourcebook, it will
> go by the name 'Tir Millae' or something like that. For those of you who
> know Australia, it will be positioned on the Northern tip of Cape York
> Peninsula

Hmmmm... how do we know? Please... do you know something we don't? :)

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