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Message no. 1
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Availability (was Re: Physads and weapon foci)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:20:09 +0100
Lady Jestyr said on 8:01/30 Apr 97...

> ... but according to the rules, all that using SI does is it lets you
> take 2 off the availability target number. If you've got a decent street
> et you can probably get the focus without street index anyway!
> (of course, who knows what registration procedures you have to go to buy
> it legally, but that's not the point).

Going by Shadowtech (page 102), you're correct. SRII, however, turns it
around and gives a +2 (plus two) to the Availability for buying from an
illegal source. Paraphrased, SRII page 184 says that if you want to obtain
an item through illegal channels, the fixer (or whoever tries to locate
the item for you) gets to roll Equipment Acquisition or Etiquette against
a TN equal to the Availability +2. Once the item has been found, the cost
is equal to the base price multiplied by the Street Index.

The question here is now if SRII's +2 is a typo and should be -2, or if
the SRII rules are a revision and should be used in place of the
Shadowtech ones -- after all SRII came out later.

Note that it isn't mentioned who should roll if you want to buy the same
item in a store, or through other legal channels. Also not mentioned is
that the SI doesn't apply to legally-bought items, but that's pretty
obvious IMO.


WARNING! My house rules follow!

The way I handle Availability is that the character (not the fixer) rolls
an Etiquette test against the Availability TN, after stating whether he is
looking for the item on the street or in stores. I don't modify the TN
at all for illegal channels, and the SI applies only when bought on the
street, naturally.

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Message no. 2
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Availability (was Re: Physads and weapon foci)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:11:22 -0700
---Gurth wrote:
>
> WARNING! My house rules follow!
>
> The way I handle Availability is that the character (not the fixer)
rolls
> an Etiquette test against the Availability TN, after stating whether
he is
> looking for the item on the street or in stores. I don't modify the
TN
> at all for illegal channels, and the SI applies only when bought on
the
> street, naturally.

That's pretty much how we play it as well. Buying an item legally, I
only require a credstick test to see if the Runner's fake ID comes up
as D-code. Buying black market means there's no risk to the fake ID,
but it requires the character make an etiquette test at the
(unmodified) availabilty and you pay street index.

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Message no. 3
From: "NATHAN M. CHATFIELD" <s1183038@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Availability (was Re: Physads and weapon foci)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 13:33:54 +1000
On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Gurth wrote:

dd> Lady Jestyr said on 8:01/30 Apr 97...
>
> > ... but according to the rules, all that using SI does is it lets you
> > take 2 off the availability target number. If you've got a decent street
> > et you can probably get the focus without street index anyway!
> > (of course, who knows what registration procedures you have to go to buy
> > it legally, but that's not the point).
>
> The question here is now if SRII's +2 is a typo and should be -2, or if
> the SRII rules are a revision and should be used in place of the
> Shadowtech ones -- after all SRII came out later.

The +2 means that the person how is looking for you doesn't really put
thier heart into looking for it there fore the target number modifier.

The -2 means that you are really after that peice of equipment and you
try your best to try and find it.

---- Phantom ----
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Availability (was Re: Physads and weapon foci)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:39:26 +0100
NATHAN M. CHATFIELD said on 13:33/ 1 May 97...

> > The question here is now if SRII's +2 is a typo and should be -2, or if
> > the SRII rules are a revision and should be used in place of the
> > Shadowtech ones -- after all SRII came out later.
>
> The +2 means that the person how is looking for you doesn't really put
> thier heart into looking for it there fore the target number modifier.

In which case you'd usually be better of trying to find it legally -- if
you have a SIN (real of a good fake) anyway.

> The -2 means that you are really after that peice of equipment and you
> try your best to try and find it.

So what happens if you want to really want to find it but your fixer
doesn't? Would you rule they cancel each other out, and you end up with a
+0 modifier?

The more I think about this, the more I feel the +2 in SRII is a typo...

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Message no. 5
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Availability (was Re: Physads and weapon foci)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:02:28 -0600
NATHAN M. CHATFIELD wrote:
|
| The +2 means that the person how is looking for you doesn't really put
| thier heart into looking for it there fore the target number modifier.
|
| The -2 means that you are really after that peice of equipment and you
| try your best to try and find it.

So if my character is being shot at by a hit man who's depressed that
day and just doesn't have his heart in it, and my character gets
really peeved and wants the hit man dead, Dead, DEAD, does that mean
he gets a +2 to his TN and my PC gets a -2?!?

-David
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