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Message no. 1
From: Vael Lashar <ltwiss@********.COM>
Subject: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 12:19:12 +0000
Howdy Gang. <smile - wave> It's been some time since I left a wake on
the list (been busy at work). So I figured, I spit out some thoughts
for comment.

I found myself walking amongst the books of Powells Book store, in
Portland, yesterday and I happened upon an old Shadowrun novel:

Out of the Shadows (?)

It's an oversized collection of short stories by TommyD, Paul Hume,
Nyx etc. I seemed to have missed this book in my quest for The
Collection. <smile> But this simple collection of introductions for
characters we all know and love (or despise <g>) got me thinking.

The book is obviously the first SR Book. The first page is a one page
synopsis of the world 2050. The book stresses the Mayan link of SR
much more heavily than plugs for SR today.

The idea behind the little synopsis is to get you, the reader,
intrigued by the idea of cyber melded with magic.

As I read it, I began to laugh a tad. (Making it a trademarked Vael
giggle, but as it has been pointed out to me, by a person who knows
who they are: a giggle isn't manly, so.. I sniggle(T) now.)

Do you remember the first time you picked up SR1, turned the elegant
Elmore cover around to read: 'The year is 2050; The blending of
technology with human...' and quickly slapped your cash down?

It was intriguing, it was new. FASA couldn't go wrong. Everything
they threw our way, we loved. (Well, I did anyway.)

Then we started throwing in our ideas of how we felt the world of SR
should evolve. It needs to be this way, it needs to be that, I hate
this and I loathe that, but I do happen to like this little tid bit.

Now I'm not saying that consumer interaction and direction are wrong,
I'm simply saying: boy haven't we got picky? <grin>

I know I have. I'm sure that some you have as well.

FASA got the first edition out with out our help, and they did a
fantastic job. Bravo. (1st Edition rules had some problems, but I'm
talking about overall premise.)

This happens to so many things. Take a movie preview: you see the
trailer, and The Premise looks unique and inspiring. Then we watch
The Movie. This is were the problems arise. 'That was nothing like I
thought it was going to be.' 'Man, that movie was great!' 'What?! are
you nuts?'

Damn our human nature! <grin>

Don't you wish everything was always as simple as that first read
through?

I sure do.


Vael (Who's making himself out to be hypocritical (by his above
statements) because he's as guilty as many other people he knows for
bashing FASA's line decisions. <smile>)
Message no. 2
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 22:24:41 +0100
|The book is obviously the first SR Book.

Nope. Never deal with a Dragon was the first....
I think the one you're talking about came about fifth (ish)....

The first page is a one page
|synopsis of the world 2050. The book stresses the Mayan link of SR
|much more heavily than plugs for SR today.
|
|The idea behind the little synopsis is to get you, the reader,
|intrigued by the idea of cyber melded with magic.
|
|As I read it, I began to laugh a tad. (Making it a trademarked Vael
|giggle, but as it has been pointed out to me, by a person who knows
|who they are: a giggle isn't manly, so.. I sniggle(T) now.)
|
|FASA got the first edition out with out our help, and they did a
|fantastic job. Bravo. (1st Edition rules had some problems, but I'm
|talking about overall premise.)

Still my favourites though.....

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Message no. 3
From: "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 17:53:08 -0400
>Spike said:
>
>|The book is obviously the first SR Book.
>
>Nope. Never deal with a Dragon was the first....
>I think the one you're talking about came about fifth (ish)....

No, it's not. This was the FIRST Shadowrun book to be published. It was
an anthology of loosely connected stories by various authors, released
in trade paperback format. Later, it was released as a paperback in the
series [I think 7th], but a couple of the short stories from the
original were deleted, and replaced with different ones. [Why, I don't
know].
>
>
Message no. 4
From: Dale Talbert <LuvsAmanda@***.COM>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:11:07 -0400
Wasn't the name of that (7th?) novel entitled Into the Shadows?
If that is the book that I am thinking of.
Message no. 5
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:24:49 -0400
> >|The book is obviously the first SR Book.
> >
> >Nope. Never deal with a Dragon was the first....
> >I think the one you're talking about came about fifth (ish)....
>
> No, it's not. This was the FIRST Shadowrun book to be published. It was
> an anthology of loosely connected stories by various authors, released
> in trade paperback format. Later, it was released as a paperback in the
> series [I think 7th], but a couple of the short stories from the
> original were deleted, and replaced with different ones. [Why, I don't
> know].

The ORIGINAL Into the Shadows collection was an oversized paperback, that
was a "braided anthology"
Every short story in the book tied together to culminate in the final tale.
This was published by FASA IIRC, well before the ROC novel deal.
It came out just about the same time as SRI

Later, as it was OOP, ROC optioned the book and reprinted it.
However the first chapter of the original run eventually became the
beginning of Never Deal with a Dragon.
They pulled that story from the second printing, and it was like the 5th or
so book done by ROC for FASA.

Steven A. Tinner - WHo has "THE SET"
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Heads I tell the truth and Tails I lie ..."
Message no. 6
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 18:16:40 +1000
> |The book is obviously the first SR Book.
>
> Nope. Never deal with a Dragon was the first....
> I think the one you're talking about came about fifth (ish)....

But it was set before them, as Haeslich is in it, and distinctly alive.

Ray.

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Message no. 7
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:18:09 -0700
---"Fisher, Victor" wrote:
> No, it's not. This was the FIRST Shadowrun book to be published. It
was
> an anthology of loosely connected stories by various authors,
released
> in trade paperback format. Later, it was released as a paperback in
the
> series [I think 7th], but a couple of the short stories from the
> original were deleted, and replaced with different ones. [Why, I
don't
> know].

This is true. The first release of the Into the Shadows anthology was
a taller grey covered paperback that didn't quite fit right on a
bookshelf. (There was a chopper on the cover fighting with a dragon).
The first story was the prelude to the Never Deal with a Dragon novel.
It was later re-released in a size and cover that fit in with the rest
of the Shadowrun novels. The first story now deals with Mantis
spirits, from what I hear. I'd tell you the copyright of the first
release, but Rookie still has my copy on loan.

===
@>--,--'--- Loki

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- A. C. Clarke

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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 15:48:17 +0100
|The ORIGINAL Into the Shadows collection was an oversized paperback, that
|was a "braided anthology"
|Every short story in the book tied together to culminate in the final tale.
|This was published by FASA IIRC, well before the ROC novel deal.
|It came out just about the same time as SRI

Which makes me wonder if the ORIGINAL ever actually came out on this side of
the pond.....

--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 9
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 16:23:21 +0100
On Sat, 10 May 1997, Spike wrote:

> |The ORIGINAL Into the Shadows collection was an oversized paperback, that
> |was a "braided anthology"
> |Every short story in the book tied together to culminate in the final tale.
> |This was published by FASA IIRC, well before the ROC novel deal.
> |It came out just about the same time as SRI
>
> Which makes me wonder if the ORIGINAL ever actually came out on this side of
> the pond.....
>
It did, I manage to pick up a copy at Eurogencon, and a friend managed to
snag one when it came out (allegedly signed by Jordan Weisman). Mind you I
guess they both could have been imports.

The Digital Mage aka Grant Erswell - mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it"
-Rush, Losing It
Message no. 10
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:00:10 +1000
> > Nope. Never deal with a Dragon was the first....
> > I think the one you're talking about came about fifth (ish)....
>
> But it was set before them, as Haeslich is in it, and distinctly alive.
>

This is a bit divergent, but who says he's dead? I'd want to see the
body before i'd assume he's dead...... Especially of a dragon that's
going to just about bounce LMG rounds.

<shrug>

Marty
Message no. 11
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: A very odd way of saying: I love FASA, thank you guys 'n gals.
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:42:42 +1000
> > > Nope. Never deal with a Dragon was the first....
> > > I think the one you're talking about came about fifth (ish)....
> >
> > But it was set before them, as Haeslich is in it, and distinctly alive.
> >
>
> This is a bit divergent, but who says he's dead? I'd want to see the
> body before i'd assume he's dead...... Especially of a dragon that's
> going to just about bounce LMG rounds.

Well, yeah, I guess there is no _proof_ that he's dead, but either way,
'Into The Shadows' was set before the Sam Verner trilogy.

Ray.

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