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Message no. 1
From: William Monroe Ashe <wma6617@****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:27:28 -0500
On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Greg wrote:


> My bloodline is eighty-percent direct cajun, I was born at Charity Hospital
> and I spent the first twenty-years of my life in New Orleans.

o.k. ... cool

> A "sanitized" version of voodoo; where did you hear this?
Actually I saw this on a Discovery Channel show about voodoo. They were
a bunch of silly new agey types. No where near real rituals

> Which is realistic, but eighty percent of voodoo is good luck charms, minor
> hexes, and love potions. The only real part that steps out of this mold is
> the "riding" of priests and priestesses by the Loa (Spirits) and that is
> done as a communion thing not a as an invocation.

Still, according to the game that would be enough to "get the ball rolling"

> My point is that the tradition of voodoo does not involve that much power on
> a grand enough scale, remember houdoun was a slave religion. But like I
> said, if it works for you fine- it's just not consistant with RL.

Actually according to Awakenings, the voodoo there can really throw
around the ritual sorcery, which is what the anti-ammo spell is.

> But the religion is matriarchical, the preistess is always ranked higher.
> As for as having the historical Marie Leaveau killed, she was killed because
> she felt, as many creoles of color felt, that her ancestry of french and
> spanish colonists lent her a social standing above the upstart americans who
> came in with their ridiculous claims of superiority. She was famous and
> vocal about these common, but politically unpopular beliefs and so she was
> killed. Simplifing complex socio-policical issues about race in the deep
> south is something of a hobby for many north-easterners, but it is as silly
> as claiming that all people from New York are uptight or that the pilgims
> and the amerindians got on like wildfire.

I thought that M.L. lived to a very ripe old age to be replaced by her
daughter? Anyway, the way I saw it since myth is as important as reality
(gator an urban totem???) there would be a V.King. Also in my game I
needed to balance out the power of the voodoo queen, and I didn't want to
use Aztlan.


I love N.O. also. I just kinda let the way SR does it world take over
and ran with it.


-B
Message no. 2
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 03:42:29 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-15 02:58:16 EDT, you write:

> But the religion is matriarchical, the preistess is always ranked higher.
> As for as having the historical Marie Leaveau killed, she was killed
because
> she felt, as many creoles of color felt, that her ancestry of french and
> spanish colonists lent her a social standing above the upstart americans
who
> came in with their ridiculous claims of superiority. She was famous and
> vocal about these common, but politically unpopular beliefs and so she was
> killed. Simplifing complex socio-policical issues about race in the deep
> south is something of a hobby for many north-easterners, but it is as silly
> as claiming that all people from New York are uptight or that the pilgims
> and the amerindians got on like wildfire.

A couple of points raised in here. For those that wish to be religiously
"accurate" in their games, almost all of the Old Religions - "Voodoo",
Santeria, Wicca, and several others of a Western origin along those veins -
are Matriarchical. From an anthropological standpoint, this is because women
were seen as "magical" for their ability to bring life into the world, as the
"primitive" tribes some six to ten thousand years ago didn't have an
understanding of the concept that sex = babies. From a religious standpoint,
while one can't exist without the other, women were seen as mystical because
the ability to bear children tied them closely with the earth, which gives
all life. Even the Druids, which were male-only IIRC, had a group of females
just as capable that offset them.
As for the simplification of socio-political issues, from the viewpoint of
someone who has spent the first 12 years of his life in Louisiana -
Shreveport, not cajun country I know, but significantly closer - and the
following 10 years in Connecticut, let me tell you that it's a hobby indulged
in all over the country. At least, in the deep south, the northeast, and the
southwest(I have relatives from New Mexico). And if you think that "All New
Yorkers are uptight" is a simplification, you haven't been to New York. =)

Wolfstar
Message no. 3
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:48:00 GMT
on 15.08.97 W0lfstar@***.COM wrote:

W> A couple of points raised in here. For those that wish to be religiously
W> "accurate" in their games, almost all of the Old Religions -
"Voodoo",
W> Santeria, Wicca, and several others of a Western origin along those veins -
W> are Matriarchical

Wicca isn't always. There are wicca-groups which are women-only, but the
rest usually uses a kind of ying-yang principle. They have a which and a
warlock working together (some of them a married) to get a....balanced
effect.

Tobias
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Message no. 4
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 05:05:15 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-16 19:58:51 EDT, you write:

> W> A couple of points raised in here. For those that wish to be
religiously
> W> "accurate" in their games, almost all of the Old Religions -
"Voodoo",
> W> Santeria, Wicca, and several others of a Western origin along those
veins -
> W> are Matriarchical.
>
> Wicca isn't always. There are wicca-groups which are women-only, but the
> rest usually uses a kind of ying-yang principle. They have a which and a
> warlock working together (some of them a married) to get a....balanced
> effect.

<Lecture mode>
Umm, not really. All-women covens are known as Dianic, some allow male
visitors, some don't. The majority of covens incorporate both male and female
members. All members, regardless of gender, are witches or wiccan, depending
on their preference. Warlock is a Gaelic word for oathbreaker, not a male
witch. And wicca/witchcraft is definitively matriarchical. During a ceremony,
the High Priestess calls down the Goddess, and then the High Priest calls
down the God. The God is commonly referred to in many of the ceremonies as
the Goddess's "Consort." In secular matters, the High Priestess of a given
coven is usually the one any questions are referred to, and while the High
Priest can vary depending on the ceremony in private covens, the High
Priestess rarely does.
</Lecture mode>

Sorry, when you said warlock it kinda set me off. It's kinda like calling a
Catholic Priest a satanist as a simple error.

Wolfstar
Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:46:08 +0100
| Sorry, when you said warlock it kinda set me off. It's kinda like calling a
|Catholic Priest a satanist as a simple error.

I think you can probably blame Bewitched for that....

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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 6
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:29:56 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-17 09:48:02 EDT, you write:

> | Sorry, when you said warlock it kinda set me off. It's kinda like
calling a
> |Catholic Priest a satanist as a simple error.
>
> I think you can probably blame Bewitched for that....

Probably, but at least it portrayed us in a positive, if somewhat(read:
HIGHLY) inaccurate light.

Wolfstar
Message no. 7
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:47:54 +0100
|> I think you can probably blame Bewitched for that....
|
| Probably, but at least it portrayed us in a positive, if somewhat(read:
|HIGHLY) inaccurate light.

AWWWW!

No fair!

I was just about to ask you to Zap me up a new motorbike!

:)

--
______________________________________________________________________________
|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| "Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky?" |
|Andrew Halliwell | |
|Principal subjects in:- | "I think so brain, but this time, you control |
|Comp Sci & Electronics | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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Message no. 8
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Awakened Gumbo Anyone? Riposte V 2.0
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:41:43 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-18 07:49:16 EDT, you write:

> | Probably, but at least it portrayed us in a positive, if somewhat(read:
> |HIGHLY) inaccurate light.
>
> AWWWW!
>
> No fair!
>
> I was just about to ask you to Zap me up a new motorbike!

Heh. D'you think I'd be using a 486 and still living with my parents if I
could do that? What're you, nuts? =)

Wolfstar

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