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Message no. 1
From: Jared Leisner <leisnj48@****.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:40:55 -0600
Question: The Aztech religion believed that human sacrifices must be given
to the gods of Good so that they could fight against the Evilness and
prevent the razing of the world. So, why would Aztechnology "priests"
perform human sacrifices and try to bring the evilness into the world? I
mean, if they loved the Aztechs so much, don't you think that they would at
least pay lip service to the religion they use as an excuse for human
sacrifice?

-Jared
Message no. 2
From: Blackadder <blkadder@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:49:15 -0500
-----Original Message----
|Question: The Aztech religion believed that human sacrifices must be
given
|to the gods of Good so that they could fight against the Evilness and
|prevent the razing of the world. So, why would Aztechnology "priests"
|perform human sacrifices and try to bring the evilness into the
world? I
|mean, if they loved the Aztechs so much, don't you think that they
would at
|least pay lip service to the religion they use as an excuse for human
|sacrifice?
|
|-Jared
|


-----Blackaadder added-----
One poossible reason could be Control.
You figure the Aztech priests knew more about the coming plague
of the Enemy, and realized that they couldn't stop it, so they figure
to accelerate it at a pace they could [or thought they could]
control], and profit by it somehow. Making deals with 'The Devil' so
to speak, so they come out on top. The world may become a charnel pit,
but they possibly figured to be atop the charnel pit. Maybe even
subtly influenced by The Enemy to believe that control/treaty with The
Enemy was possible.
As usual, thinking like that just leads to one winner, and in
this case it wouldn't be the Azzies.
Message no. 3
From: Jared Leisner <leisnj48@****.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:08:20 -0600
> One poossible reason could be Control.
> You figure the Aztech priests knew more about the coming plague
>of the Enemy, and realized that they couldn't stop it, so they figure
>to accelerate it at a pace they could [or thought they could]
>control], and profit by it somehow. Making deals with 'The Devil' so
>to speak, so they come out on top. The world may become a charnel pit,
>but they possibly figured to be atop the charnel pit. Maybe even
>subtly influenced by The Enemy to believe that control/treaty with The
>Enemy was possible.
> As usual, thinking like that just leads to one winner, and in
>this case it wouldn't be the Azzies.

Actually, the Aztechs believed (so strongly the belief still lives today in
their ancestors today) that they couldn't deny fate, and their fate was to
continually sacrifice humans to give strength to their gods to fight the
darkness. I'm guess I'm just asking about the hypocracy about Aztechnology
saying they're reviving the Aztech religion, but actually going against
everything (that I have learned about them in my semi-extensive research)
that said religion believed.

They were good conformists who wouldn't shut out anyone in need and wouldn't
drink to excess, much less try to destroy the Earth. Guess the only the
explanation I can see is that they're hypocrits who are really evil.

Anyone wanna try defend them? :)


-Jared
Message no. 4
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:43:37 EST
In a message dated 1/9/99 12:07:56 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
leisnj48@****.CIS.UWOSH.EDU writes:

>
> They were good conformists who wouldn't shut out anyone in need and
wouldn't
> drink to excess, much less try to destroy the Earth. Guess the only the
> explanation I can see is that they're hypocrits who are really evil.
>
> Anyone wanna try defend them? :)
>
Not tonight, catch me on a better night...

-K
Message no. 5
From: David Lightfinger <lightfinger@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:05:09 -0600
Jared Leisner wrote:
>
> > One poossible reason could be Control.

I'd kick this to probable, the way Aztlan is ran and designed.

> > You figure the Aztech priests knew more about the coming plague
> >of the Enemy, and realized that they couldn't stop it, so they figure
> >to accelerate it at a pace they could [or thought they could]
> >control], and profit by it somehow. Making deals with 'The Devil' so
> >to speak, so they come out on top. The world may become a charnel pit,
> >but they possibly figured to be atop the charnel pit. Maybe even
> >subtly influenced by The Enemy to believe that control/treaty with The
> >Enemy was possible.
> > As usual, thinking like that just leads to one winner, and in
> >this case it wouldn't be the Azzies.

Here is how I have heard it explained: The Aztec calendar and the Mayan
calendar, and the related prophecies, are somewhat tied together but not
quite the same. The Aztecs believe that the current world will end by
destruction led by the demons. Near the end of the demon's destruction,
Quetzacoatl will emerge and rebuild the earth, with the Aztec Empire
ascendant once more.

Now, they were hoping that would occur when the Mayan calendar did its
flip to the Sixth World. It didn't. Therefore, there was a problem. The
Aztecs want to rule the world, and don't have any genetically altered
lab mice to do it for them. So, they thought by hastening the entrance
of the demons, aka Horrors, into the world, the faster they would become
the world's rulers.

Read the Dragonheart Trilogy to see what happened next :-)


> Actually, the Aztechs believed (so strongly the belief still lives today in
> their ancestors today) that they couldn't deny fate, and their fate was to
> continually sacrifice humans to give strength to their gods to fight the
> darkness. I'm guess I'm just asking about the hypocracy about Aztechnology
> saying they're reviving the Aztech religion, but actually going against
> everything (that I have learned about them in my semi-extensive research)
> that said religion believed.

Blood magic, it has been learned, both helps the Horrors into the world,
but also can be used to defeat them. Originally, the sacrifices were for
the latter, but the rulers of Aztlan changed to the other way, because
of the above reason I gave.

>
> They were good conformists who wouldn't shut out anyone in need and wouldn't
> drink to excess, much less try to destroy the Earth. Guess the only the
> explanation I can see is that they're hypocrits who are really evil.

Reference song by Tears For Fears: 'Everybody wants to rule the world'

I, honestly, don't see them as 'really evil', but 'totally misguided and
mistaken'. There isn't any 'real evil' in Shadowrun except the Horrors,
though some may argue Lofwyr comes close. :-)

Again, the lack of big-headed white lab mice prevented them from ruling
the world, so they had to come up with an alternative.

>
> Anyone wanna try defend them? :)
>

It wasn't that much of a defense, mind you, but I hope there was at
least a bit of the way I understood it to work in there. Narf!

--David
Message no. 6
From: Blackadder <blkadder@****.NET>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:13:07 -0500
-----Original Post-----
I, honestly, don't see them as 'really evil', but 'totally misguided
and
mistaken'. There isn't any 'real evil' in Shadowrun except the
Horrors,
though some may argue Lofwyr comes close. :-)

-----Blackadder says-----
Lofwyr's not evil....he's just has some control issues ;-}

Actually, more people know him by his human guise in the late 20th
century.....Bill Gates.
Message no. 7
From: Starjammer <starjammer@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 03:55:01 -0500
At 01:05 AM 1/9/99 -0600, David Lightfinger wrote:
>
>Here is how I have heard it explained: The Aztec calendar and the Mayan
>calendar, and the related prophecies, are somewhat tied together but not
>quite the same. The Aztecs believe that the current world will end by
>destruction led by the demons. Near the end of the demon's destruction,
>Quetzacoatl will emerge and rebuild the earth, with the Aztec Empire
>ascendant once more.
>
>Now, they were hoping that would occur when the Mayan calendar did its
>flip to the Sixth World. It didn't. Therefore, there was a problem. The
>Aztecs want to rule the world, and don't have any genetically altered
>lab mice to do it for them. So, they thought by hastening the entrance
>of the demons, aka Horrors, into the world, the faster they would become
>the world's rulers.

The only problem I see with that is the total absence of any Quetzalcoatl
shamans or priests or whatever in the Aztlan power structure, and their
scarcity in the population. It's been remarked on a couple of times in
different places. The implication being, of course, that Quetzalcoatl has
no part in the activities of the Azzies, nor are they doing his will. It's
hard to believe, or even delude yourself, into thinking you're working for
a god who won't talk to you in a time and place where gods do talk to their
followers.

No, more likely is simply that somewhere along the line, Aztlan (in an
"official" sense) came to the conclusion that the Horrors would show up on
schedule, but they'd win the fight. So they decided to back the winners.
Not too dissimilar to the Church of Satan today, except that the Azzies
went one step further in trying to help their new masters pick the lock on
the gates of Hell.

>> Actually, the Aztechs believed (so strongly the belief still lives today in
>> their ancestors today) that they couldn't deny fate, and their fate was to
>> continually sacrifice humans to give strength to their gods to fight the
>> darkness. I'm guess I'm just asking about the hypocracy about Aztechnology
>> saying they're reviving the Aztech religion, but actually going against
>> everything (that I have learned about them in my semi-extensive research)
>> that said religion believed.
>
>Blood magic, it has been learned, both helps the Horrors into the world,
>but also can be used to defeat them. Originally, the sacrifices were for
>the latter, but the rulers of Aztlan changed to the other way, because
>of the above reason I gave.

If you want to put the most sympathetic spin possible on it, assume that
somewhere in the beginning the blood sacrifices really were meant to help
Quetzalcoatl and the others win the fight. Somewhere along the way,
however, somebody screwed up or made a mistake or just went bad, and the
Horrors got their opening. Thereafter, the sacrifices became more and more
perverted as the corruption spread.

I don't believe that, mind you. Call me a cynic, but sometimes some people
really do just put good and evil on the scales, then deliberately choose to
go with evil. I think the Azzies fall in that catagory.

>> They were good conformists who wouldn't shut out anyone in need and
wouldn't
>> drink to excess, much less try to destroy the Earth. Guess the only the
>> explanation I can see is that they're hypocrits who are really evil.
>
>Reference song by Tears For Fears: 'Everybody wants to rule the world'

Bear in mind that in any totalitarian government, control of a mandated
state religion is usually an essential tool. Even in 20th century
communist countries this is/was true; those countries simply chose enforced
atheism so that no power would be superior to the State. In the Middle
Ages, it was the Church and the divine right of kings. When Henry VIII
broke with Catholicism and formed the Anglican church with himself as the
head, it was as much a way of consolidating his power as of getting a
divorce from his wife.

So yeah, if you're going to capitalize on an ethnic identity, then
monopolize the native religion of that ethnic group. And if the guise that
religion allows you to make human sacrifices that you need to be making
anyway to advance your real plans, so much the better.


--
Starjammer - starjammer@**********.com - Marietta, GA

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death
that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it
to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn
the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be
nothing. Only I will remain."
-- Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, Frank Herbert, Dune
Message no. 8
From: ArcLight <arclight@**************.COM>
Subject: AW: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:14:55 +0100
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Shadowrun Discussion [mailto:SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET]Im
> Auftrag von Blackadder
> Gesendet am: Samstag, 9. Januar 1999 0813
> An: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Betreff: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
>
> -----Original Post-----
> I, honestly, don't see them as 'really evil', but 'totally misguided
> and
> mistaken'. There isn't any 'real evil' in Shadowrun except the
> Horrors,
> though some may argue Lofwyr comes close. :-)
>
> -----Blackadder says-----
> Lofwyr's not evil....he's just has some control issues ;-}
>
> Actually, more people know him by his human guise in the late 20th
> century.....Bill Gates.

Which would be an explanation why SK has that poor Matrix security...

ArcLight
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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:43:46 +0100
According to Jared Leisner, at 19:40 on 8 Jan 99, the word on
the street was...

> Question: The Aztech religion believed that human sacrifices must be given
> to the gods of Good so that they could fight against the Evilness and
> prevent the razing of the world. So, why would Aztechnology "priests"
> perform human sacrifices and try to bring the evilness into the world? I
> mean, if they loved the Aztechs so much, don't you think that they would at
> least pay lip service to the religion they use as an excuse for human
> sacrifice?

Maybe they believe things slightly differently from the old Aztechs? Or
perhaps they've decided that more power is to be gained from working
_with_ the things their (adopted?) ancestors feared than there is from
working _against_ them.

--
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Message no. 10
From: Jared Leisner <leisnj48@****.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:38:23 -0600
[snip]

>Here is how I have heard it explained: The Aztec calendar and the Mayan
>calendar, and the related prophecies, are somewhat tied together but not
>quite the same. The Aztecs believe that the current world will end by
>destruction led by the demons. Near the end of the demon's destruction,
>Quetzacoatl will emerge and rebuild the earth, with the Aztec Empire
>ascendant once more.


Actually, the Aztechs based their 'worlds' on (I wanna say 60) yr cycles,
basically two or three generations, while the Mayan was thousands of years.
If you wanna hear my rationale, it's because that's how long the previous
natives that the Aztechs built their culture over survived.

And Quetzacoatl was their world's guardian, and the others' were different.
So there would bound to be priests to another god in SR time (and there were
priests in that novel that took place in Aztlan).

I guess what I'm looking for is someone who has seen something in the
Aztechnology texts/sections of books and can tell me (and anyone else who
cares) how Aztlan justifies (if they do at all) going against basically
everything their predecesors believed in and held dear.

Or, are they truely evil, self-serving hypocrits like the novels make them
out to be?

Besides, if they do want to rule the world, why can't they do it like the
original Mexica (those were have vulgarly applied the name 'Aztechs' to)
people did? In case you don't know, they sent in merchant-spies, figured out
what people were unhappy with their ruler...then they would simply awaken
with a new ruler on throne. They might have been a warring people, but they
could also be subtle...something sacrificing 5000 people for blood magic
rituals isn't. *grin*

-Jared
Message no. 11
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: AW: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:26:29 -0600
On Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:14:55 +0100 ArcLight <arclight@**************.COM>
writes:
<SNIP>
>> -----Blackadder says-----
>> Lofwyr's not evil....he's just has some control issues ;-}
>>
>> Actually, more people know him by his human guise in the late 20th
>> century.....Bill Gates.

>Which would be an explanation why SK has that poor Matrix security...

Actually, IIRC, he just has a low (relatively) amount of resources
allocated towards matrix security. This is normally rationalized by
saying all the really important stuff he has in head. Now, assuming he
has a great deal of secure information in his head (and he makes sure
that it does not travel to or from him in the matrix), what does that
mean for S-K matrix security? Well, all or most of that lower asset
rating is going into guarding more mundane items instead of being divided
into general security and Top Secret Red nodes with Black IC. I don't
think I'd want to deck S-K's hosts ... He probably has lots of nasty,
top-of-the-line Trace IC for that personal touch... :)

Of course, that's the usual rationale... The real reason is that host
crash rate prevents them S-K from running the really primo IC but also
provides a measure of security (the host tends to crash when the system's
resources get too tied up :).

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Coffee without caffeine is like sex without the spanking." -- Cupid
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 12
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:11:31 EST
In a message dated 1/9/99 2:35:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
blkadder@****.NET writes:

> Lofwyr's not evil....he's just has some control issues ;-}
>
> Actually, more people know him by his human guise in the late 20th
> century.....Bill Gates.
>
<sounds of K spewing his Pepsi ... narrowly missing the new image scanner...>

Yes folks, that means HHH is getting some better clips

-K
Message no. 13
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:20:53 EST
In a message dated 1/9/99 5:49:04 AM US Eastern Standard Time, gurth@******.NL
writes:

>
> Maybe they believe things slightly differently from the old Aztechs? Or
> perhaps they've decided that more power is to be gained from working
> _with_ the things their (adopted?) ancestors feared than there is from
> working _against_ them.

Or maybe there were just certain steps taken into effect by "Oscuro" and his
associates. In truth, if you leave the Azatlan Peoples (using the AS here),
they are likely to move away from the "Tzitzimine" as much as the members in
the know of the Draco Foundation or the IE group (most anyway). Misguidance
and Coercion can go a long way when people are not getting a clear picture as
to exactly what "God" looks like.

If "God" (chief god anyway) to the Aztlaner's is Quetzalcoatl, then sure, no
problem, please, go right ahead. And if their religion ordains Human
Sacrifice (willing or defeated enemies of war), then so be it. That does NOT
make them wrong, that makes them "wrong in our eyes".

Hell, for all we know, the Aztlaner's have it right and the rest of SR has it
wrong (a concept I've tinkered with, but left alone for fear of getting the
players lost at literally every turn).

-K
Message no. 14
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: AW: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:25:58 EST
In a message dated 1/9/99 3:35:21 PM US Eastern Standard Time, dghost@****.COM
writes:

<snip commentary about "S-K Matrix Security">
>
> Of course, that's the usual rationale... The real reason is that host
> crash rate prevents them S-K from running the really primo IC but also
> provides a measure of security (the host tends to crash when the system's
> resources get too tied up :).


This is to Mike B. and D. Ghost mostly, but something that Mike B. mentioned
that Steve K. was working on suddenly hit me like a <BLACK> sledgehammer. Low
end Matrix, led by a "Great ol' Wyrm", hmmm....this could be twisted enough...

-K
Message no. 15
From: Jared Leisner <leisnj48@****.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:58:59 -0600
[snip]

>If "God" (chief god anyway) to the Aztlaner's is Quetzalcoatl, then sure,
no
>problem, please, go right ahead. And if their religion ordains Human
>Sacrifice (willing or defeated enemies of war), then so be it. That does
NOT
>make them wrong, that makes them "wrong in our eyes".


All I've seen says that the Aztechs only sacrificed humans (usually their
enemies caught in battle) for two reasons: To give energy to the sun god
(the chief warrior god) to fight /against/ the darkness, and to eat a bit of
the sacrifice to gain a bit of said god's strength.

My point was that Aztechnology has taken what they want from the Aztech
culture (human sacrifice and priests rule all) and either perverted or
ditched the rest. I was hoping that someone saw something that would maybe
make Aztechnology not such bad perverters of a beautiful culture.

-Jared
Message no. 16
From: Adam Baker <apocrytha@*********.NET>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:05:30 -0600
At 11:43 AM 1/9/99 +0100, you wrote:
>According to Jared Leisner, at 19:40 on 8 Jan 99, the word on
>the street was...
>
>> Question: The Aztech religion believed that human sacrifices must be given
>> to the gods of Good so that they could fight against the Evilness and
>> prevent the razing of the world. So, why would Aztechnology "priests"
>> perform human sacrifices and try to bring the evilness into the world? I
>> mean, if they loved the Aztechs so much, don't you think that they would at
>> least pay lip service to the religion they use as an excuse for human
>> sacrifice?
>
>Maybe they believe things slightly differently from the old Aztechs? Or
>perhaps they've decided that more power is to be gained from working
>_with_ the things their (adopted?) ancestors feared than there is from
>working _against_ them.
>
>--
>Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
> Take advantage. Or so it seems.
>-> NERPS Project Leader * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
>->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
>-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-
>
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>
>
'Evilness'? That had nothing to do with it. It was to make the Sun rise
again in the sky and also to please the Gods. They gave us blood so they
wanted abit of it back.
Message no. 17
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:18:30 +0000
and thus did Jared Leisner speak on 8 Jan 99 at 19:40:

> Question: The Aztech religion believed that human sacrifices must be
> given to the gods of Good so that they could fight against the
> Evilness and prevent the razing of the world. So, why would
> Aztechnology "priests" perform human sacrifices and try to bring the
> evilness into the world? I mean, if they loved the Aztechs so much,
> don't you think that they would at least pay lip service to the
> religion they use as an excuse for human sacrifice?

Evil is in the eye of the beholder?
It could be that the horrors convinced the Aztec priests that they are
their gods and they need more sacrifices to stop the destruction of
the world. IIRC the Aztec religion was pretty fatalistic, because no
matter how many sacrifices, the world would be destroyed every now and
then, no matter how many people were sacrificed.

Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 18
From: Jared Leisner <leisnj48@****.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:31:12 -0600
> IIRC the Aztec religion was pretty fatalistic, because no
> matter how many sacrifices, the world would be destroyed every now and
> then, no matter how many people were sacrificed.


Yes, they were fatalists, but now FATALists, but FAT(E)alists, meaning they
can't escape fate. And they believed their fate was to help in the fight
against the evil. As for their end of the world, it was to take theplace of
a firestorm that would cleanse (not destroy) the Earth and let a god rebuild
the civilization.

Again, I was hoping someone could give me background on how Aztechnology
strayed that far from the Aztech religion. Was it Oscuro alone, or were
there some others? Is it just another exacmple of state perverting the
religion for its own ends?

-Jared Leisner
Message no. 19
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:40:39 EST
In a message dated 1/10/99 10:30:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
leisnj48@****.CIS.UWOSH.EDU writes:

> Again, I was hoping someone could give me background on how Aztechnology
> strayed that far from the Aztech religion. Was it Oscuro alone, or were
> there some others? Is it just another exacmple of state perverting the
> religion for its own ends?
IMO Aztechnology (and ORO befor ethem) have always been out for personal
power. They adopt the "culture" of the Aztecs for their own use, to give their
nation a distinctive personality that they can follow and still consort with
the Horrors. The people may believe that the sacrifices are to help save the
world, or perhaps they only believe that the exectuions are criminals anyway.
The true powers behind Aztechnology is trying to gain from the darkness they
summon, and many have no personality except for what is commanded them by
their masters from beyond the astral.
Message no. 20
From: Damon Harper <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:50:26 PST
>Question: The Aztech religion believed that human sacrifices must be
given
>to the gods of Good so that they could fight against the Evilness and
>prevent the razing of the world. So, why would Aztechnology "priests"
>perform human sacrifices and try to bring the evilness into the world?
I
>mean, if they loved the Aztechs so much, don't you think that they
would at
>least pay lip service to the religion they use as an excuse for human
>sacrifice?

The Enemy is a manipulative lot. Who is to say Aztech doesn't belive
what they are doing is for the good, and that the Enemy is really our
"savior"?


-Damon Harper
"Tell me, and I forget. Show me, and I remember.
But let me do, and I understand."
-Confucious
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Message no. 21
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:19:55 +1000
Damon Harper writes:
> The Enemy is a manipulative lot. Who is to say Aztech doesn't belive
> what they are doing is for the good, and that the Enemy is really our
> "savior"?

I'd be surprised if the Aztech didn't believe that. Very few "bad guys"
really believes what they are doing isn't the right thing to do.

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Message no. 22
From: Paul Chamberlain <junior@*****.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:39:59 +0800
My thought on Aztechnlogy and the horrors ...

Juan Aztcapotzalco (ceo of Aztechnology) is a Horror construct and/or Horror
marked (I haven't played ED and only know partially the story of the 4th
age) the Aztlan source book (which I own) lends me to believe this, he has
stoped ALL public appearances and Wordsmith(Ehran) nearly mistook him for an
IE if he hadn't known better.

And now from a small excerpt from P. 64

Common Rumor number 2
One of the major shareholders is a free spirit-a "player" to use the common
argot. I don't know about this one either , but I have less difficulty
believing this rumour than the other one about Atzcapotzalco.

>>>>>(It's true, chummers. Trust me, I know. Only the spirit isn't a
player,
it's a fragging shadow. That's the clean scan. It's one of those blood
spirit things. And it prefers to receive its dividend in sacrifices, not
cred.)<<<<<
-Stonecoat (03:16:15/5-21-56)

>>>>>(I'm not going to dignify that with a fragging
answer.)<<<<<
-Pyramid Watcher (10:22:04/5-21/56)

End Quote

After that the IE's and Dunkelzahn argue about whether this could be true or
not.

Regards Arkem
junior@*****.net.au
Message no. 23
From: Paul Chamberlain <junior@*****.NET.AU>
Subject: Fw: Re: Aztechnology & The Enemy
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:44:03 +0800
Sorry if this is a double post. My mail client crashed half way through
sending it so here it is again.



My thought on Aztechnlogy and the horrors ...

Juan Aztcapotzalco (ceo of Aztechnology) is a Horror construct and/or Horror
marked (I haven't played ED and only know partially the story of the 4th
age) the Aztlan source book (which I own) lends me to believe this, he has
stoped ALL public appearances and Wordsmith(Ehran) nearly mistook him for an
IE if he hadn't known better.

And now from a small excerpt from P. 64

Common Rumor number 2
One of the major shareholders is a free spirit-a "player" to use the common
argot. I don't know about this one either , but I have less difficulty
believing this rumour than the other one about Atzcapotzalco.

>>>>>(It's true, chummers. Trust me, I know. Only the spirit isn't a
player,
it's a fragging shadow. That's the clean scan. It's one of those blood
spirit things. And it prefers to receive its dividend in sacrifices, not
cred.)<<<<<
-Stonecoat (03:16:15/5-21-56)

>>>>>(I'm not going to dignify that with a fragging
answer.)<<<<<
-Pyramid Watcher (10:22:04/5-21/56)

End Quote

After that the IE's and Dunkelzahn argue about whether this could be true or
not.

Regards Arkem
junior@*****.net.au

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