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Message no. 1
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 18:05:22 -0500
>That means Atzlan sourcebook. At least i hope it does :)
I was thinking of the Broadway musical, Aztlan! Aztlan! Aztlan!, debuting in
December of 2057.

>> Definate:
>> The Big 'D' = Dunkelzahn
>> The Laughing Man = Harlequin
>> Hecate = Alachia
>Are you sure about that one. I will have to check if that guess ahs
>been shot down or not.

>> Wordsmyth = Ehran the Scribe

>> Unknown:
>> Jungle Cat = ? [Someone from Amazonia]
>> Umsondo = ? [The Austrialian Elf from Secrets of Power v3?]
He didn't have similar speech patterns. I think it's someone else than
Urdli. Maybe someone from the upcoming Threats book?

>> Lady of the Court = ? [The Queen of Tir na nOg ?]
>Brane Deigh, is correct

>> Unknown1 = ? [The unknown eavesdropping decker]
>> Unknown2 = ? [The unknown eavesdropper. Lofwyr ?]

>> Brightlight = ? ???
>Leonardo Da Vinchi


>From VR 2.0:
>Ambrose? - no info
After VR 2.0 came out, on the rpg.cyber newsgroup, someone said that Ambrose
actually was Merlin. I don't know of any evidence that supports this, however.

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Message no. 2
From: tglinka@*****.ASU.EDU
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 16:26:22 -0700 (MST)
> >From VR 2.0:
> >Ambrose? - no info
> After VR 2.0 came out, on the rpg.cyber newsgroup, someone said that Ambrose
> actually was Merlin. I don't know of any evidence that supports this, however.

I haven't read VR2.0, but I do know that Ambrosius is one of the many
names attributed to Merlin throughout the various Arthurian myths. So, this
may very well be Merlin.
Just my two cents worth.

T. Glinka
Message no. 3
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:41:25 GMT
tglinka writes

> > >Ambrose? - no info
> > After VR 2.0 came out, on the rpg.cyber newsgroup, someone said that Ambrose
> > actually was Merlin. I don't know of any evidence that supports this, however.
>
> I haven't read VR2.0, but I do know that Ambrosius is one of the many
> names attributed to Merlin throughout the various Arthurian myths. So, this
> may very well be Merlin.
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> T. Glinka
>
Worth investigating, prime runners might be of some use :), as
Hessler/Merlin are in that. Time for personality comparisons.

Mark
Message no. 4
From: "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.com>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:20:37 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 1 May 1996, Faux Pas wrote:

> >Ambrose? - no info
> After VR 2.0 came out, on the rpg.cyber newsgroup, someone said that Ambrose
> actually was Merlin. I don't know of any evidence that supports this, however.
>

It makes some sense, though... forgot about "Merlin Ambrosius"... =T



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Message no. 5
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:36:14 +0100
Dr. Bolthy von Schotz <shadowrn@********.itribe.net> said on 8:20/ 2 May
96...

> It makes some sense, though... forgot about "Merlin Ambrosius"... =T

Is he like Martin Brozius? :)

(I dare you to try and figure *that* one out :)

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Message no. 6
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:11:38 GMT
> From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>

> Dr. Bolthy von Schotz <shadowrn@********.itribe.net> said on 8:20/ 2 May
> 96...
>
> > It makes some sense, though... forgot about "Merlin Ambrosius"... =T
>
> Is he like Martin Brozius? :)
>
> (I dare you to try and figure *that* one out :)
>
Ok i went and reread the VR2 story.
its called 'things to come' and is apparantly not a shadowland post
no 'from Captain Chaos' headers.

First off
both speakers are in a matrix node : needs at least trode sets
Both claim to be very poor deckers, not good on IC.

Ok I don't think 'Ambrose' is Merlin of Leo (Leonardo / Brightlight)
Merlin would not follow a passion (see final page top right) - both
folks do H'you follow your passion i follow mine'. and could not use
a trode rig no physical brain to interface with. Ok that magical
'paraoptical deck' might solve that one but. Then well Leo has
afformentioned deck, IC whats that, would not rate so low decking.

IT. They note was not arround last time. That means it must be a
'thing of the matrix' so 'IT' is not an immortal elf, free spirt or
anything like that.

Ok thats shot an awful lot down, pity but.

Ok so we have the Ambrose-Merlin link, could therefore Ambrose be
Hessler? 'Black Madonna' establishes him as 'elven illuminati' he has
Merlin as a friend was probably alive in the fourth world and would
probably like Harlequin be a poor decker at best. Any comments.

Mark
Message no. 7
From: jhm@*****.com (J Hulley-Miller)
Subject: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 08:22:11 -0400
Greetings,

03 May 96 11:36, "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl> wrote:

>> It makes some sense, though... forgot about "Merlin Ambrosius"... =T
>G> Is he like Martin Brozius? :)

Taking a long shot... But wasnt that the alias of the modern day Merlin who
posed as an auto-mechanic in a TV series about 6-7 years back ?

jhm

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Message no. 8
From: David van Nederveen Meerkerk <D.N.M.vanNederveen@***.ruu.nl>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:21:29 +0200 (MET DST)
>
> Greetings,
>
> 03 May 96 11:36, "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
>
> >> It makes some sense, though... forgot about "Merlin Ambrosius"...
=T
> >G> Is he like Martin Brozius? :)
>
> Taking a long shot... But wasnt that the alias of the modern day Merlin who
> posed as an auto-mechanic in a TV series about 6-7 years back ?
>
Nope.....only Dutch people'll know him. The only thing I can tell you
about him is that he runs and rots :-)

VrGr

David

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Message no. 9
From: "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.com>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:18:05 -0500 (CDT)
On Fri, 3 May 1996, Mark Steedman wrote:

> > From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>
> > Dr. Bolthy von Schotz <shadowrn@********.itribe.net> said on 8:20/ 2 May
> > 96...
> >
> IT. They note was not arround last time. That means it must be a
> 'thing of the matrix' so 'IT' is not an immortal elf, free spirt or
> anything like that.
>

Forgot about it not being around the first time around, but just because
it wasn't around the first time around doesn't mean it wasn't an immortal
elf, free spirt, or anything like that. I mean, Brane Deigh, according
to WWE is apparently an immortal elf, but wasn't around the last time
around either... Personally, i think it's probably an AI, and I just
wanted to be a wee devil's advocate... but this does bring me back to my
original question:

Why would an AI care about the Scourge?



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Message no. 10
From: Alex van der Kleut <sommers@*****.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 13:33:58 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 3 May 1996, Dr. Bolthy von Schotz wrote:

>
<snip>
> Why would an AI care about the Scourge?
>

I hat eto sya it but there is a really good reason described in the
Ghostrider 2099 comic. The "people" who create GR 2099 are a bunch of
rogue AI's. They've predicted that the human race will implode itself in
a few years. This is BAD for them since they are computers and still nedd
the humans to run stuff on the outside to keep the Matrix going. So they
use GR to do stuff to keep the infrastructure going until they evolve to
the point where they aren't tied to the Matrix.

Sounds like a good reason to care about the Scourge. Self preservation.

Alex
Message no. 11
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:22:33 -0400 (EDT)
At 09:18 5/3/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>On Fri, 3 May 1996, Mark Steedman wrote:
>
>> > From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>>
>> > Dr. Bolthy von Schotz <shadowrn@********.itribe.net> said on 8:20/ 2
May
>> > 96...
>> >
>> IT. They note was not arround last time. That means it must be a
>> 'thing of the matrix' so 'IT' is not an immortal elf, free spirt or
>> anything like that.
>>
>
>Forgot about it not being around the first time around, but just because
>it wasn't around the first time around doesn't mean it wasn't an immortal
>elf, free spirt, or anything like that. I mean, Brane Deigh, according
>to WWE is apparently an immortal elf, but wasn't around the last time
>around either... Personally, i think it's probably an AI, and I just
>wanted to be a wee devil's advocate... but this does bring me back to my
>original question:
>
>Why would an AI care about the Scourge?
>

One thing about Shadowrun is that the magic system is very animalistic.
That's a type of religious belief, son. Everything has an presense in the
astral. (ie essense, spirit, or whatever else you want to call it.) The
animalistic beliefs state that everything has a soul. The trees, the rocks,
the air, and even people (that's a joke too, son). Whose to say the matrix
doesn't have an Essense in a similar way? The collective hallucination that
makes the matrix could become a presense. Not quite an AI not quite a
spirit, but something in between.

Sasquatch

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Message no. 12
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 11:57:19 +0100
J Hulley-Miller said on 8:22/ 3 May 96...

> >> It makes some sense, though... forgot about "Merlin Ambrosius"...
=T
> >G> Is he like Martin Brozius? :)
>
> Taking a long shot... But wasnt that the alias of the modern day Merlin who
> posed as an auto-mechanic in a TV series about 6-7 years back ?

Nope. Although you're looking in the right direction with the TV guess.

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Message no. 13
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 13:25:12 +0100 (BST)
|
|J Hulley-Miller said on 8:22/ 3 May 96...
|
|> >> It makes some sense, though... forgot about "Merlin Ambrosius"...
=T
|> >G> Is he like Martin Brozius? :)
|>
|> Taking a long shot... But wasnt that the alias of the modern day Merlin who
|> posed as an auto-mechanic in a TV series about 6-7 years back ?

Nahhh, that was Mr Merlin. Max Merlin.
(Corny, but I used to quite like it....)

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Message no. 14
From: fauxpas@******.net (Faux Pas)
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 15:05:29 -0500
>> >G> Is he like Martin Brozius? :)
>>
>Nope.....only Dutch people'll know him. The only thing I can tell you
>about him is that he runs and rots :-)

Ah, so he's a political candidate then?

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Message no. 15
From: Kenneth Horner <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject: Re: Aztlan and VR 2.0
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 16:11:23 -0700 (PDT)
On Sun, 5 May 1996, Faux Pas wrote:

>
> >> >G> Is he like Martin Brozius? :)
> >>
> >Nope.....only Dutch people'll know him. The only thing I can tell you
> >about him is that he runs and rots :-)
>
> Ah, so he's a political candidate then?
>
Or a dead guy with diarrhea?

Nutcracker

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