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Message no. 1
From: JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES <burwell@******.EDU>
Subject: Bands in SR
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:53:28 -0700
Do you all think that in the year 2050 people will listen to our
bands from today and consider them oldies. Example: NIN on the oldies
station " Geez dad why do we have to listen to this boring old stuff! "
Or, will their oldies be stuff from the year 2000 and up and our stuff
considered ancient?

Incidentally I had fun at the NIN concert on sunday. Sorry, no
concert dates were published anywhere. I promised to post them but I
can't now. I did get to meet marlyn manson and Jim Rose. Pretty damn
cool. Gee, maybe ministry will come to vegas now? ( Nahhh, I'd sleep out
for that one though too. )

Later, to any chummers out there
Message no. 2
From: Adam Getchell <acgetche@****.UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:19:23 -0700
On Wed, 19 Oct 1994, JOHANNA BURWELL-KALES wrote:

> Incidentally I had fun at the NIN concert on sunday. Sorry, no
> concert dates were published anywhere. I promised to post them but I
> can't now. I did get to meet marlyn manson and Jim Rose. Pretty damn
> cool. Gee, maybe ministry will come to vegas now? ( Nahhh, I'd sleep out
> for that one though too. )

Jim Rose circus was okay, he just rattled on too much. Rather
watch all the humorous self-mutilations without him talking it up.
Trent Reznor, now he was cool. During one of the slow songs a
screen went down and they showed all these interesting footages of things
rotting away, etc. The crowd had a few balloons bouncing around, and
during one of the pauses he said: "Will someone please pop that f*cking
balloon?" Laughs, and they were gone.
Pretty high energy crowd. I dunno, somehow I think his songs are
too confrontational to be turned into elevator musak in 2055. Then
again, I've heard a parlour lounge version he did when he was "Diamond
Reznor" of "Head Like a Hole" -- quite funny, 70's style lounge singing
with those lyrics.

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Message no. 3
From: Magister <MELLIOTT@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 14:33:12 EST
With all the new technology available, I think that anything not
recorded digitally will go the way of the 8-track and the vinyl album.
Plus, with the availability of magic (i.e. illusions) to enhance any
stage show, think of the possibilities!!!!

NIN is pretty cool. I was unable to attend the local show. Bummer!
Magister
Message no. 4
From: Malcalypse The Younger <shadow@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:34:37 -0400
On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Magister wrote:

> With all the new technology available, I think that anything not
> recorded digitally will go the way of the 8-track and the vinyl album.
> Plus, with the availability of magic (i.e. illusions) to enhance any
> stage show, think of the possibilities!!!!

Yes, my shaman albino elf who is in a 'punk' band uses lots of illusions
in his performances (trid spectical) and it seems to go over well with
the crowds....

Shadow@******.net
Message no. 5
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:57:06 +0100
>
> With all the new technology available, I think that anything not
> recorded digitally will go the way of the 8-track and the vinyl album.
> Plus, with the availability of magic (i.e. illusions) to enhance any
> stage show, think of the possibilities!!!!
>
> NIN is pretty cool. I was unable to attend the local show. Bummer!
> Magister
>
see Shadowbeat for information on magic and shows. There it is stated
that this is absolutely OUT!, some major and minor affairs in it,
because of mind control spells , such as control emotions etc.
Maybe good stage shows, but you can't be sure if you think it is good
or if it's really good
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Message no. 6
From: Magister <MELLIOTT@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:39:16 EST
From the depths of his tower, the Magister speaks:

I would not use any mind-control spells during the performance. The
only spells that would be used would be illusion spells. Why use a
trid screen to create pictures when you can use magic. For that
matter, why use anything when you can use magic???
Message no. 7
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 10:48:31 -0400
>>>>> "Magister" == Magister <MELLIOTT@*****.VINU.edu>
writes:

Magister> I would not use any mind-control spells during the performance.

It doesn't matter. If the crowd /thinks/ you're using mind altering spells
on them, you're in big trouble.

Magister> The only spells that would be used would be illusion spells.

And how does a non-mage know the difference?

Magister> Why use a trid screen to create pictures when you can use magic.
Magister> For that matter, why use anything when you can use magic???

Lynchings tend to put severe cramps in most performers' lifestyles.

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Message no. 8
From: Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 15:10:26 +0000
>
> >>>>> "Magister" == Magister <MELLIOTT@*****.VINU.edu>
writes:
>
> Magister> I would not use any mind-control spells during the performance.
>
> It doesn't matter. If the crowd /thinks/ you're using mind altering spells
> on them, you're in big trouble.
>
> Magister> The only spells that would be used would be illusion spells.
>
> And how does a non-mage know the difference?
>
> Magister> Why use a trid screen to create pictures when you can use magic.
> Magister> For that matter, why use anything when you can use magic???
>
> Lynchings tend to put severe cramps in most performers' lifestyles.
>
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Nah, I think Magister's right, illusion spells could create really
impressive spectacles at concerts, special effects for stage plays, etc.

GLO



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Message no. 9
From: Michel Racine <racine@********.HYDRO.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 11:42:24 EDT
> >From the depths of his tower, the Magister speaks:
>
> I would not use any mind-control spells during the performance. The
> only spells that would be used would be illusion spells. Why use a
> trid screen to create pictures when you can use magic. For that
> matter, why use anything when you can use magic???
>

Because magick drains power and energy. Try casting high quality
illusion spells for 2 or 3 hours, during all the show.
Devices such as a trid picture let you present special effects without
taxing nobody.
But the mix of illusion spells and trid picture would make a great show.
And what about the price to have a mage on the show? *ouch*

-Racine
Message no. 10
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 13:56:45 -0400
>>>>> "Gareth" == Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
writes:

Gareth> Nah, I think Magister's right, illusion spells could create really
Gareth> impressive spectacles at concerts, special effects for stage plays,
Gareth> etc.

And again I'll ask, "how is a non-mage to know the difference between an
illusion he's seing with his eyes and an illusion with his mind's eye?"
Extrapolating from that, if the illusion is being projected directly into
his mind, what else is being put there?

No, I'll agree with what's in Shadowbeat. Using magic at shows is a really
bad idea.

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Message no. 11
From: Skrub <mccllstr@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 16:06:08 -0400
>But the mix of illusion spells and trid picture would make a great show.
>And what about the price to have a mage on the show? *ouch*

Not owning or having read Shadowbeat... I can understand mind effecting
magic terrifying governments. In typical governmental manner, they slap a
blanket law that can cover any possible contingency. magic is illegal in
public performances. Heck, magic of a non-healing nature is probably illegal
almost anywhere anyway if you think about it. Healing probably is too.
However, almost anything fun is illegal. I mean sex outside of marriage is
still illegal in some parts of the US, who cares about age or willingness -
they weren't married. Public opinion is the more important thing, will it be
inforced. In the Tir (on the European side of the puddle)has regular
performances involving magic, if I remember correctly from the sourcebook. I
imagine UCAS, CAS, would both illegalize it, whether the Native American
Nations would is another question, magic is part of their heritage. Hmmm....
Of course there is another aspect. Anyone know an area-effect spell big
enough to effect the whole audience? There is a practical limit.


RS: "So Mr. Gremlin, you admit to using magic in your stage performances?"
G : "More than just illusion, mind-affecting dweomers have a highly
beneficial effect."
RS: "Using and advocating mind-altering magics is illegal in almost all of
the countries you perform in. Aside from that most people don't use mind
controlling magics and in fact are quite violently against it. How do
you justify forcing it on them?"
G : "Mind-altering magic is just the pot of the early days of music as we
know it. No one has ever proven detrimonious effect, and we should be
free to
engage in the activities we choose. There was an article written almost
three-hundred years ago upon which almost all modern governments...

-Skrub
Message no. 12
From: Star <KADAMS@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 17:33:41 EST
One simple word my friend...DRAIN!!! Sure, certain things are Ok to
use magic for, but if you flub enough rolls, you are going to pass
out!!!













A love that is never can always be obtained, a love that
is lost can never be regained. Think of the ones loved,
and smile.



-Star-
Message no. 13
From: Malcalypse The Younger <shadow@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 22:29:25 -0400
On Mon, 24 Oct 1994, Magister wrote:

> From the depths of his tower, the Magister speaks:
>
> I would not use any mind-control spells during the performance. The
> only spells that would be used would be illusion spells. Why use a
> trid screen to create pictures when you can use magic. For that
> matter, why use anything when you can use magic???
>

Well, there WAS a big scandal about mind control type magic being used at
concerts a while ago, but I think if you limited it to illusions, you'd
be ok with the authorities, and the fans woulod either like it or not,
thier choice...

Shadow aka Wraith
Message no. 14
From: Magister <MELLIOTT@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 21:38:52 EST
Well, I'm glad that there are at least a couple people out there that
aren't scared to death of magic being used in everyday life. Unlike
some, who will remain nameless but know who they are.
The illusions WOULD be judged by folks on their artistic merits
and relationship to the song.

Arcanely yours,
The Magister
"demented and sad,...but social!!!"
Message no. 15
From: Malcalypse The Younger <shadow@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 22:36:51 -0400
On Mon, 24 Oct 1994, Michel Racine wrote:

> > >From the depths of his tower, the Magister speaks:
> >
> > I would not use any mind-control spells during the performance. The
> > only spells that would be used would be illusion spells. Why use a
> > trid screen to create pictures when you can use magic. For that
> > matter, why use anything when you can use magic???
> >
>
> Because magick drains power and energy. Try casting high quality
> illusion spells for 2 or 3 hours, during all the show.
> Devices such as a trid picture let you present special effects without
> taxing nobody.
> But the mix of illusion spells and trid picture would make a great show.
> And what about the price to have a mage on the show? *ouch*
>
Not much when the lead singer is a shaman.... With a 4 point illusion
focus. hehe.
Message no. 16
From: "Jason Carter, Nightstalker" <CARTER@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 22:35:00 -0700
>From the depths of his tower, the Magister speaks:

>I would not use any mind-control spells during the performance. The
>only spells that would be used would be illusion spells. Why use a
>trid screen to create pictures when you can use magic. For that
>matter, why use anything when you can use magic???

Because trid is cheaper, more reliable, and doesn't care if the band's mage
gets sick. Besides the public loves tridio.

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Message no. 17
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 10:13:46 -0400
>>>>> "Magister" == Magister <MELLIOTT@*****.VINU.EDU>
writes:

Magister> Well, I'm glad that there are at least a couple people out there
Magister> that aren't scared to death of magic being used in everyday life.
Magister> Unlike some, who will remain nameless but know who they are.

Well, /I'm/ not remaining nameless, and /I/ personally am not scared to
death of magic being used in everyday life. But then /I/ personally am not
the "average joe" on the street. I know better; he doesn't. The "average
joe" thinks computers have big panels and lots of blinky-lights. He's
afraid of a "computer error" munging his credit record and destroying his
life. Why is he afraid? Because he doesn't understand what computers are.
The same things applies to magic. It's human nature to fear what isn't
understood, and that fear often erupts into violence.

Magister> The illusions WOULD be judged by folks on their artistic merits
Magister> and relationship to the song.

You're living in a much different world than I. Or maybe I'm just being
cynical, but I doubt it.

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Message no. 18
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:43:48 EST
> joe" thinks computers have big panels and lots of blinky-lights.
He's
> afraid of a "computer error" munging his credit record and
destroying his
> life. Why is he afraid? Because he doesn't understand what
computers are.
> The same things applies to magic. It's human nature to fear what
isn't
> understood, and that fear often erupts into violence.
>
> Magister> The illusions WOULD be judged by folks on their artistic
merits
> Magister> and relationship to the song.
>
> You're living in a much different world than I. Or maybe I'm just
being
> cynical, but I doubt it.
>
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Excellent SS!! I haven't heard a rebuttle like that in ages. I happen to
agree with both of you. Though trid use is recommended, magic can
be used as an AUGMENTATION. Illusions can be controlled better,
cost less in the long run, and provides other magicians with the astral
element. As for riots, some bad apples have hurt the magic in music
industry, yet their is a nova-hot band that uses magic regularly.
Cannot remember the name(try lugging every book,excluding
adventures, but 4 every where you go), but the group is in
Shadowbeat. The answer is a touchy one, but if authorities were
informed before hand, and some mages watched from astral the
whole time, it could be pulled off.




Many people run the shadows, praying that whatever gods they worship will smile upon them.
I waltz through shadows with my gods, and I lead!

-SHADOWDANCER-
Message no. 19
From: Gareth Owen <glowen1@*****.NHS.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:25:08 +0000
>
> agree with both of you. Though trid use is recommended, magic can
> be used as an AUGMENTATION. Illusions can be controlled better,
> cost less in the long run, and provides other magicians with the astral
> element. As for riots, some bad apples have hurt the magic in music
> -SHADOWDANCER-

Illusions can be more spontaneous as well, every performance will
be different, more artistic, kinda like the synthesiser vs. real
instruments debate

GLO

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Message no. 20
From: The Dragon <JMEYER@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:33:56 EST
I've got it!!! Instead of trying to put thoughts into to peolpes heads just
use the magic to play the instrments. i.e Look ma no hands. That way
the Stars can come out and mingle with the crowd.
Message no. 21
From: Shadowdancer <BRIDDLE@*****.VINU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 19:18:37 EST
> Illusions can be more spontaneous as well, every performance will
> be different, more artistic, kinda like the synthesiser vs. real
> instruments debate
>
> GLO
>
Speaking of which, I like the synthlinks. Especially when cororinated
with a dance number. How a bout a spell to cororinate illusions with
the dance? Would resome heavy anchoring, but would it work??



Many people run the shadows, praying that whatever gods they worship will smile upon them.
I waltz through shadows with my gods, and I lead!

-SHADOWDANCER-
Message no. 22
From: Damion Milliken <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Bands in SR
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:27:54 +1000
Shadowdancer writes:

> Speaking of which, I like the synthlinks. Especially when cororinated
> with a dance number. How a bout a spell to cororinate illusions with
> the dance? Would resome heavy anchoring, but would it work??

I'd say that if you had a sustained illusion, and you had it running the
whole time then you would be able to (have to suffer the +2 for the whole
concert though :-)). As for having the illusions in sync with the dance, I
would rule out the possibility of an anchored spell performing adequately,
after all, can you program the spell to do exactly what you want exactly
when you want? And you could pretty much forget interfacing it with the
synthlink, you know how it goes "Do not mix thy magic with thy matrix", or
something like that, and a synthlink isn't too far removed from a matrix
interface.

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