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Message no. 1
From: jhubert@***.de (JÃŒrgen_Hubert)
Subject: Bioshells (Was: Send In The Clones! Future Tech in Shadowrun)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:06:39 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Turek" <danturek@*******.com>
To: <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [LONG] Send In The Clones! Future Tech in Shadowrun


> Bira's take:
>
> >I'll repeat what I said before - clone slavery of the kind you're
> >speaking of doesn't make any sense unless you can force-grow clones
and
> >imprint personalities and skills on them cheaply and quickly. And,
even
> >them, public relations issues would _still_ make it
counter-productive.
>
> Sometimes all you need is a body.

That reminds me: Transhuman Space (what else?) has another neat
concept that might actually be applicable here: The bioshell.

Grow one of those fast-growth but brain-dead clones that Shadowrun is
apparently capable of. Then replace its unfunctional brain and parts
of its nervous system with computer hardware. Give it lots of
skillsofts and semi-autonomous knowbot software - or just run it via
rigger remote control.

And now you have a new kind of biological drone! Easily trained (just
install the right software), disposable (they aren't as expensive as
the other kind of drones discussed elsewhere - after all, training is
the most expensive part), and not as conspicous as robot drones.

Think of the boomers in Bubblegum Crisis. They might be used in all
kinds of roles - from soldiers to truely loyal secretaries (they can't
be bribed...) to sex slaves. And rigger contols allow you to "inhabit"
a completely new body and experience the pleasures of the flesh in an
entirely new way - think of what someone like Thomas Roxborough would
pay for it!

What do you guys think?


- Jürgen Hubert

Urbis - A World of Cities
http://juergen.the-huberts.net/dnd/urbis/index.html
Message no. 2
From: ra002585@**.unicamp.br (Bira)
Subject: Bioshells (Was: Send In The Clones! Future Tech in Shadowrun)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:46:30 -0300
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:06:39 +0200
Jürgen Hubert <jhubert@***.de> wrote:

>
> What do you guys think?

It's interesting, but I'd have them made by other means than cloning.
Biological or organic, yes, but obviously artificial. Using clones for
this has the same negative effect on PR as that slavery thing :).

--
Bira
http://www.shadowlandbr.hpg.com.br ou
http://www24.brinkster.com/shadowlandbr/index.html
Message no. 3
From: robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject: Bioshells (Was: Send In The Clones! Future Tech in Shadowrun)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:56:36 +1000 (EST)
--- Jürgen_Hubert <jhubert@***.de> wrote: >
<snip>
> That reminds me: Transhuman Space (what else?) has
> another neat
> concept that might actually be applicable here: The
> bioshell.
>
> Grow one of those fast-growth but brain-dead clones
> that Shadowrun is
> apparently capable of. Then replace its unfunctional
> brain and parts
> of its nervous system with computer hardware. Give
> it lots of
> skillsofts and semi-autonomous knowbot software - or
> just run it via
> rigger remote control.
>
> And now you have a new kind of biological drone!
> Easily trained (just
> install the right software), disposable (they aren't
> as expensive as
> the other kind of drones discussed elsewhere - after
> all, training is
> the most expensive part), and not as conspicous as
> robot drones.

Have you played Syndicate.

> Think of the boomers in Bubblegum Crisis. They might
> be used in all
> kinds of roles - from soldiers to truely loyal
> secretaries (they can't
> be bribed...) to sex slaves. And rigger contols
> allow you to "inhabit"
> a completely new body and experience the pleasures
> of the flesh in an
> entirely new way - think of what someone like Thomas
> Roxborough would
> pay for it!
>
> What do you guys think?

I'm thinking syndicate cyborge agents the whole way.
As far as experiencing pleasures of the flesh I'm
thinking <<sysop:21 char. deleted>>. The other
advantage is the Avancement of the medical world.
Think how much easier It is to Treat & diagnose people
If you can experience or investigate what symptoms
are, It would be a great study aid besides
unethicalness of implating clones with death sentence
or malidies &life of torment & experimentation. People
might even op to be born (their children) or reborn
(provided solve memory issue)a clone, as they would be
easier to treat with medical attention, could catch on
& clones become popular. BTW who the frags Thomas
Roxborough?

GZ

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