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Message no. 1
From: i'm considering madness as a viable alternative to life
Subject: bioware + essence
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 04:17:00 EDT
page 5, shadowtech

"as physical integrity is even more crucial for the magically active
(magicians and adepts), these characters must spend Essence and add to their
Body Index when selecting bioware. (an adept may factor in magically acquired
attribute bonuses when calculating his or her Body Index). The Essence
cost for bioware is equal to the Body Cost. In all cases, the Body Index
is merely an indicatior; no "real" Body is ever actually lost in aquiring
bioware."

i haven't seen SR2 yet, but imho (and relating to SR1) it should read
Magic attribute everywhere that it says Essence. it seems patently stupid
to me that a magically active type should lose essence when no one else does.

remember, also that bioware increases the target number for magical healing
("...by one-half the character's current Body Index, divided by 2, rounding
down"). [i just noticed how that reads, i *love* FASA *grin*]. is that
Body Index divided by 2 round down, or is that Body Index divided by 4 round
down? imho, it's Body Index divided by 2 round down redundant.

notes from the GamesMaster,
opinions welcome,


Wildeblood
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Message no. 2
From: LGLUMKA@***.BITNET
Subject: bioware essence
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 14:26:00 EDT
Well the rules state you lose essence and magic when
you get bioware

personally i think this is stupid i believe you should just
lose the magic and take the 1/2 bioware body count penalty to healing
spells like every one else


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Message no. 3
From: Andrew Costello <a.j.k.costello@******.AC.UK>
Subject: Bioware + Essence
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:39:07 +0100
Is there a definitive ruling on magic loss incurred with bioware. Personally
our group have always used the ruling that your body index can go up to your
magic point loss due to cyberware without incurring further magic point
loss.

(In English): Remaining Essence: 3 Body Index: 3 Magic: 3
Remaining Essence: 5.9 Body Index: 1 Magic: 5
Remaining Essence: 1 Body Index: 5 Magic:
1
Remaining Essence: 2.5 Body Index: 1 Magic: 2

Is this right? Does anybody know? (care?!?).

-Andi-

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Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Bioware + Essence
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:56:24 +0100
And verily, did Andrew Costello hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Is there a definitive ruling on magic loss incurred with bioware. Personally
|our group have always used the ruling that your body index can go up to your
|magic point loss due to cyberware without incurring further magic point
|loss.
|
|(In English): Remaining Essence: 3 Body Index: 3 Magic: 3
| Remaining Essence: 5.9 Body Index: 1 Magic: 5
| Remaining Essence: 1 Body Index: 5 Magic:
|1
| Remaining Essence: 2.5 Body Index: 1 Magic: 2
|
|Is this right? Does anybody know? (care?!?).

Well... If you use the REAL rules from Shadowtech, and not house rules,
Bioware doesn't cause magic loss. It causes ESSENCE loss, which means in one
of your cases, the mage would actually be DEAD, and another he'd only have
one magic point and 1.5 essence left....
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Message no. 5
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Bioware + Essence
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:22:05 -0400
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Andrew Costello wrote:

->Is there a definitive ruling on magic loss incurred with bioware. Personally
->our group have always used the ruling that your body index can go up to your
->magic point loss due to cyberware without incurring further magic point
->loss.
->
->(In English): Remaining Essence: 3 Body Index: 3 Magic: 3
-> Remaining Essence: 5.9 Body Index: 1 Magic: 5
-> Remaining Essence: 1 Body Index: 5 Magic:
->1
-> Remaining Essence: 2.5 Body Index: 1 Magic: 2
->
->Is this right? Does anybody know? (care?!?).

I use the same idea in my campaign and I get a lot less bitching
from my players for it. As far as I know, however, there is no such
official ruling.

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Message no. 6
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Bioware + Essence
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:15:36 +0000
Andrew Costello wrote:

> Is there a definitive ruling on magic loss incurred with bioware. Personally
> our group have always used the ruling that your body index can go up to your
> magic point loss due to cyberware without incurring further magic point
> loss.
>
> Is this right? Does anybody know? (care?!?).

Officially? No it isn't, Bioware subtracts from essence in magicians according
to Shadowtech. In our game however Body Index is subracted from magic, but the
essence isn't lowered. It's possible to have no magic and still have all your
essence technically in our game.

Caric
Message no. 7
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Bioware + Essence
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:05:40 -0700
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From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Thursday, August 20, 1998 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Bioware + Essence


>And verily, did Andrew Costello hastily scribble thusly...
>|
>|Is there a definitive ruling on magic loss incurred with bioware. Personally
>|our group have always used the ruling that your body index can go up to your
>|magic point loss due to cyberware without incurring further magic point
>|loss.
>|
>|(In English): Remaining Essence: 3 Body Index: 3 Magic: 3
>| Remaining Essence: 5.9 Body Index: 1 Magic: 5
>| Remaining Essence: 1 Body Index: 5 Magic:
>|1
>| Remaining Essence: 2.5 Body Index: 1 Magic: 2
>|
>|Is this right? Does anybody know? (care?!?).
>
>Well... If you use the REAL rules from Shadowtech, and not house rules,
>Bioware doesn't cause magic loss. It causes ESSENCE loss, which means in one
>of your cases, the mage would actually be DEAD, and another he'd only have
>one magic point and 1.5 essence left....

>

This is correct.
What seems to be the more common, and fairly well balanced, HOUSE RULE (if
Bioware is balanced well in your game to begin with) is that BI is added to
essence loss to determine magic loss, but does not affect the mages essence.
So the above mages would have the stated essence and BI, but (assuming no
intimation or other magic loss), would have magic 0, 4, 0, and 1.
Another house rule we use is that magic lost to medical procedures,
damage, etc creates a "magic slot"- you can get cyber and Bioware up to lost
magic points with no further loss (within normal limits, of course).

Mongoose
Message no. 8
From: Randy Nickel <LrdDrgn@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Bioware + Essence
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:54:57 EDT
In a message dated 8/20/98 7:44:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
a.j.k.costello@******.AC.UK writes:

> Is this right? Does anybody know? (care?!?).
>
> -Andi-
>

I use a 2 for 1 rule. Meaning that you can have 2 body points worth of bioware
and then you lose 1 point of magic.

Also, I have allowed players to lose say .5 essence and have 1 body index of
bioware and thus lose only 1 point of magic.

Otter

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