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Message no. 1
From: William Ashe <wmashe@***.NET>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:31:27 -0700
first a plea: If I'm still sending HTML crap let me know and I'll go shoot
Bill Gates with paintballs (Hi mr FBI agent, I said paintballs, not bullets)

second: once again I'm behind the curve, what is BitB?

Third: Also, I don't feel that any GM should be bound by the FASA timeline.
If you want Dunkie to have a great four years as prez, then go for it. I
think that people IM (very seriously) HO are way too caught up in FASA
canon. Steve Kenson and FASAMike would be the first ones to say "If it's a
fun game do it" So, if your guys want to do a Vampire game (why?) then go
for it. Wanna do a Shadowrun in space (hey is that Miss Piggy? ... who you
callin' fat? ,,, hey yAH ... ok resist 12D stun) then play that way.

If you want to flame take it off line, I'll throw private carp with the best
of them. Wanna have a square debate let's go. Wanna talk about hockey ...
uh ... uh ... buy me a Molson, and you gotta freind.

regards
Bright Light
http://freeweb.pdq.net/wmashe/shadowrun.html
Message no. 2
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:57:09 -0600
At 23:31 24/06/98 -0700, you wrote:
>first a plea: If I'm still sending HTML crap let me know and I'll go shoot
>Bill Gates with paintballs (Hi mr FBI agent, I said paintballs, not bullets)

I don't see any HTML crap here..

>second: once again I'm behind the curve, what is BitB?

Blood in the Boardroom. The big book of well.. interesting corp stuff, ties
in Steve Kensons Technobabel novel.
(Reviews in TSS-08!</plug>)

>Third: Also, I don't feel that any GM should be bound by the FASA timeline.

Agreed. Feeling bound to Anything FASA has done is just plain silly.
With RPGs, you tend to get out what you put in -- the more effort you make
into making it fun and "your own", the more fun it's going to be.

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Message no. 3
From: Shadowrunner <nocturnal@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:06:37 +0000
Adam J wrote:
>
> At 23:31 24/06/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >first a plea: If I'm still sending HTML crap let me know and I'll go shoot
> >Bill Gates with paintballs (Hi mr FBI agent, I said paintballs, not bullets)
>
> I don't see any HTML crap here..
>
> >second: once again I'm behind the curve, what is BitB?
>
> Blood in the Boardroom. The big book of well.. interesting corp stuff, ties
> in Steve Kensons Technobabel novel.
> (Reviews in TSS-08!</plug>)
>
> >Third: Also, I don't feel that any GM should be bound by the FASA timeline.
>
> Agreed. Feeling bound to Anything FASA has done is just plain silly.
> With RPGs, you tend to get out what you put in -- the more effort you make
> into making it fun and "your own", the more fun it's going to be.

I have to agree with that also.... In our campaign, we allow vampires as PCs... Also, the
vampire rules for shadowrun (in my opinion) suck... If anyone likes them- sorry... its
just
an opinion. We made new vampire rules, and threw them in accordingly. There are
downfalls to Vampire PCs... cant run in daylight (not that this is normal anyway). Vampire
hunters are another problem.. as are firecannons/flamethrowers and lasers.

Noc`
Message no. 4
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:51:12 -0500
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:06:37 +0000 Shadowrunner <nocturnal@*******.NET>
writes:
<SNIP>
>I have to agree with that also.... In our campaign, we allow vampires as

>PCs... Also, the
>vampire rules for shadowrun (in my opinion) suck... If anyone likes
them-
>sorry... its just
>an opinion. We made new vampire rules, and threw them in accordingly.
There
>are
>downfalls to Vampire PCs... cant run in daylight (not that this is
normal
>anyway). Vampire
>hunters are another problem.. as are firecannons/flamethrowers and
lasers.
>
>Noc`

Ooooh Nifty... care to share? I didn't like the regen rules so I changed
them ... all critters with regen heal back 1 box per point of essence -
Body Index per turn (Yes this means I allow Regeners with cyber/bioware
but let's not get into that ... if you want to get into a "heated
discussion over that topic, do it off list ... with someone else).

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 5
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:45:49 -0500
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:31:27 -0700 William Ashe <wmashe@***.NET> writes:
>first a plea: If I'm still sending HTML crap let me know and I'll go
shoot
>Bill Gates with paintballs (Hi mr FBI agent, I said paintballs, not
bullets)

Nope but I'm gonna have ta kick your @$$ for not using bullets ... ;)

>second: once again I'm behind the curve, what is BitB?

Blood in the Boardroom: A "module" that kind of wraps up what happened in
Technobabel as well as some other stuff, I think ...

>Third: Also, I don't feel that any GM should be bound by the FASA
timeline.
>If you want Dunkie to have a great four years as prez, then go for it.
I
>think that people IM (very seriously) HO are way too caught up in FASA
>canon. Steve Kenson and FASAMike would be the first ones to say "If
it's a
>fun game do it" So, if your guys want to do a Vampire game (why?) then
go
>for it. Wanna do a Shadowrun in space (hey is that Miss Piggy? ... who
you
>callin' fat? ,,, hey yAH ... ok resist 12D stun) then play that way.

Uhmmmm ... What's Miss Piggy got to do with Space SR?

>If you want to flame take it off line, I'll throw private carp with the
best
>of them. Wanna have a square debate let's go. Wanna talk about hockey
...
>uh ... uh ... buy me a Molson, and you gotta freind.
>
>regards
>Bright Light
<SNIP Sig>

<Gag> ;)
OK! That's it Bub! I've had itt with you ... Carps at 20 Paces!
</Gag> ;)

Na, I deffinately do NOT run a canon campaign and don't give a rat's @$$
either :)

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 6
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:28:49 EDT
In a message dated 6/25/98 4:10:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> Wanna do a Shadowrun in space (hey is that Miss Piggy? ... who
> you
> >callin' fat? ,,, hey yAH ... ok resist 12D stun) then play that way.
>
> Uhmmmm ... What's Miss Piggy got to do with Space SR?
>
WHAT?!?!? ALFREDO! I can't believe this. Okay, perhaps I can...you have
never seen an "episode" of
<insert, big booming, melodramatic voice>

PIGS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!

Oh come on, Frank Oz loved that when he did it. And it was great, poor
piggy....she really did have a -thing- for pink vinyl...

-K ( "we now take you to our travelers in the "Swine Trek")
Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:31:55 +0100
Alfredo B Alves said on 3:45/25 Jun 98,...

> Uhmmmm ... What's Miss Piggy got to do with Space SR?

There can only be one thing that connect Miss Piggy and space:
Pigs In Space, of course...

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Message no. 8
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:39:42 -0500
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:28:49 EDT K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 6/25/98 4:10:07 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
>
>> Wanna do a Shadowrun in space (hey is that Miss Piggy? ... who> you
>> >callin' fat? ,,, hey yAH ... ok resist 12D stun) then play that way.

>> Uhmmmm ... What's Miss Piggy got to do with Space SR?

>WHAT?!?!? ALFREDO! I can't believe this. Okay, perhaps I can...you
have
>never seen an "episode" of
><insert, big booming, melodramatic voice>
>
>PIGS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAACE!
>
>Oh come on, Frank Oz loved that when he did it. And it was great, poor
>piggy....she really did have a -thing- for pink vinyl...
>
>-K ( "we now take you to our travelers in the "Swine Trek")

Heh heh ... That was a loooong time ago ... I wish they'd bring back the
Muppets (again) ... Now THAT would be a coll phenomenon
(Dot-do-da-dooo)...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 9
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:34:26 -0400
At 01:39 PM 6/25/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Heh heh ... That was a loooong time ago ... I wish they'd bring back the
>Muppets (again) ... Now THAT would be a coll phenomenon
>(Dot-do-da-dooo)...

Actually, if you get the Disney Channel you can find new (or at least
newer, from the recent time they returned to TV) episodes.

Even funnier than I remembered as a kid.

Erik J.


Resepected Elders Relaxation Resort, President of Operations
and Director of Activities

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Message no. 10
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:06:25 -0700
>>Heh heh ... That was a loooong time ago ... I wish they'd
bring back the
>>Muppets (again) ... Now THAT would be a coll phenomenon
>>(Dot-do-da-dooo)...

>Actually, if you get the Disney Channel you can find new (or at
least
>newer, from the recent time they returned to TV) episodes.

>Even funnier than I remembered as a kid.

>Erik J.

Nickelodeon may still be running the old Muppets. I know they
were here as recently as March of this year. Some places are likely to
be showing the reruns.

Otter
(the runner formerly known as Eclipse)
Message no. 11
From: John W Thornton <whitewolfplayer@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:01:06 -0500
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:06:25 -0700 Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM> writes:
> >>Heh heh ... That was a loooong time ago ... I wish they'd
>bring back the
> >>Muppets (again) ... Now THAT would be a coll phenomenon
> >>(Dot-do-da-dooo)...
>
> >Actually, if you get the Disney Channel you can find new (or
>at
>least
> >newer, from the recent time they returned to TV) episodes.
>
> >Even funnier than I remembered as a kid.
>
> >Erik J.
>
> Nickelodeon may still be running the old Muppets. I know they
>were here as recently as March of this year. Some places are likely to
>be showing the reruns.
>
> Otter
> (the runner formerly known as Eclipse)
>
Hey Otter I wuldn't worry about using the name Eclipse. I've got a troll
in my group using that name. Not to mention thre's only so many names
people tend to use.....most likely thay're other shodowrunners with the
name Stormcrow and other names....at least you can admit you didn't try
to rip off the name from a book.

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Message no. 12
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:26:24 -0700
John T wrote:

>Hey Otter I wuldn't worry about using the name Eclipse. I've
got a troll
>in my group using that name. Not to mention thre's only so many
names
>people tend to use.....most likely thay're other shodowrunners
with the
>name Stormcrow and other names....at least you can admit you
didn't try
>to rip off the name from a book.

True, but then the fact that this guy was a Spider Shaman kind
of bugs me. Pun intended. :-)

I am sure that it is very hard to have an original name in the
shadows, I have managed it with a few of my other characters (Warloc &
Twlight....I have yet to see either of those names in anything printed),
but there still could be runners with those names in any part of the
world.

Otter
Message no. 13
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:27:06 EDT
In a message dated 98-06-25 17:13:44 EDT, you write:

> Hey Otter I wuldn't worry about using the name Eclipse. I've got a troll
> in my group using that name. Not to mention thre's only so many names
> people tend to use.....most likely thay're other shodowrunners with the
> name Stormcrow and other names....at least you can admit you didn't try
> to rip off the name from a book.

>Next week on Shadowland's _Why I Run_ series, we'll talk to Kodiak, the guy
who thinks he's a bear; the Black Archer, Seattle's self-proclaimed "Avenger
of Justice"; sixteen runner who all call themselves Nemesis because they
weren't hugged as children; and Theodore Winslow of Lone Star, who will tell
us why shadowrunners pick such stupid street names.
>Kane
"FBI's Most Wanted #8... and dropping!"

Ok, so this was taken directly from the SR Companion.... but I think it fairly
well shows that common street names are going to be fairly common... after
all, Eclipse sounds a lot more intimidating than Big Boober... and people want
to sound impressive, especially when they're not.

Nexx, who's name is a long story of mental instability
Message no. 14
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:44:28 -0400
> >Next week on Shadowland's _Why I Run_ series, we'll talk to Kodiak,
> the guy
> who thinks he's a bear; the Black Archer, Seattle's self-proclaimed
> "Avenger
> of Justice"; sixteen runner who all call themselves Nemesis because
> they
> weren't hugged as children; and Theodore Winslow of Lone Star, who
> will tell
> us why shadowrunners pick such stupid street names.
> >Kane
> "FBI's Most Wanted #8... and dropping!"
>
> Ok, so this was taken directly from the SR Companion.... but I think
> it fairly
> well shows that common street names are going to be fairly common...
> after
> all, Eclipse sounds a lot more intimidating than Big Boober... and
> people want
> to sound impressive, especially when they're not.
>
I have always wondered how you could walk up to a
contact and inquire about a runner and the contact have the slightest
idea which of the 16 Nemesis you were talking about. This would seem to
be a problem in rep building, if there is one Nemesis (likely the first)
who is a complete badass and pulls off the sweetest runs ever and at the
same time there's a 14 year old by the same name popping gangers in the
butt with his bb gun to get them to move off the corner at 23rd and
Mason.

(First guy)
"Hey man look up Nemesis, I here he just ran the 'Raku
arcology at noon on Christmas and no one saw him."

(Second Guy
"I heard he spends all his time strung out on BTL's in
Redmond taking pot shots at stray cats."

(Third guy)
"Naw man that dude isn't even in town, he got a job back
running guns in the gulf. Won't be back for a month or more."

(First & Second guys)
"Huh??"


How do these people ever get anything done?
Message no. 15
From: Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:10:39 -0500
At 02:26 PM 6/25/98 -0700, Otter wrote:
> John T wrote:
>
> >Hey Otter I wuldn't worry about using the name Eclipse. I've
>got a troll
> >in my group using that name. Not to mention thre's only so many
>names
> >people tend to use.....most likely thay're other shodowrunners
>with the
> >name Stormcrow and other names....at least you can admit you
>didn't try
> >to rip off the name from a book.
>
> True, but then the fact that this guy was a Spider Shaman kind
>of bugs me. Pun intended. :-)
>
> I am sure that it is very hard to have an original name in the
>shadows, I have managed it with a few of my other characters (Warloc &
>Twlight....I have yet to see either of those names in anything printed),
>but there still could be runners with those names in any part of the
>world.
>
> Otter
>
>
The name Twilight is used by the evil, free roaming spirit in the Shadowrun
adventure "Total Eclipse". This is the same adventure that involves the
spider shaman named Eclipse.

BlueMule
There are two kinds of ships, submarines and targets.
Message no. 16
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:34:43 -0700
BlueMule wrote:

>The name Twilight is used by the evil, free roaming spirit in
the Shadowrun
>adventure "Total Eclipse". This is the same adventure that
involves the
>spider shaman named Eclipse.

Doh!!!

Figures, well....one down.

Otter
Message no. 17
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:58:00 -0500
On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:22:15 -0400 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>>Heh heh ... That was a loooong time ago ... I wish they'd bring back
the
>>Muppets (again) ... Now THAT would be a coll phenomenon
>>(Dot-do-da-dooo)...

>There was a new Muppets show done about a year or two ago called Muppets
>Tonight.
>
>It got moved to the Disney Channel dur to low ratings, and still airs
>there...
>
>Sandra Bullock does a fun Phenomenon skit :]
>
>Bull

I know a saw it ... and every time you say Phenomenom you have to add
(doot-do-da-doo) ... okay it was a while ago I don't remeber how it goes
exactly :) I saw it wile it was on broadcast television ... don't have
cable :( ... What did she say to make that BIG Muppet on top of the Piano
appear?

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 18
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:19:25 -0400
>Ok, so this was taken directly from the SR Companion.... but I think it fairly
>well shows that common street names are going to be fairly common... after
>all, Eclipse sounds a lot more intimidating than Big Boober... and people want
>to sound impressive, especially when they're not.

I've always been of the opinion that handles should really be given to you
by others, earned in a way, rather than given to yourself.

Wordman
Message no. 19
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:36:44 -0400
Wordman wrote:
>
> >Ok, so this was taken directly from the SR Companion.... but I think it fairly
> >well shows that common street names are going to be fairly common... after
> >all, Eclipse sounds a lot more intimidating than Big Boober... and people want
> >to sound impressive, especially when they're not.
>
> I've always been of the opinion that handles should really be given to you
> by others, earned in a way, rather than given to yourself.
>
> Wordman

totally. I got mine well in the most odd way. I was working late one
nite 4 years ago at wal-mart in my hometown. My buddy darren was making
comments on people's names. I said "what kind of name is Darren anyway
sounds like a gopher." He went off on a tirade and asked me if I had a
nickname. I said no. He suggested. Grandmaster, GFunk, HeavyHomie, I
said look I'm white, 18, and don't wear my pants down to my ankle gimme
something I can use! He said, how 'bout BigDaddy. It stuck. ;)
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Message no. 20
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: BitB as Source Book & comments
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:58:32 EDT
In a message dated 29/06/98 00:38:31 Central Daylight Time,
wordman@*******.COM writes:

> >Ok, so this was taken directly from the SR Companion.... but I think it
> fairly
> >well shows that common street names are going to be fairly common... after
> >all, Eclipse sounds a lot more intimidating than Big Boober... and people
> want
> >to sound impressive, especially when they're not.
>
> I've always been of the opinion that handles should really be given to you
> by others, earned in a way, rather than given to yourself.

Yes, well, that's how you end up with streetnames like "The Naked Dwarf" (who
has got to be my all time favorite character, in any system... at least,
before Geyswain ate him, that rat bastard).

Nexx, who's parentheical notes often exceed the comments by a 2.5:1 MP ratio

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