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Message no. 1
From: RUE <rue@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:01:08 +0200
From: 96sp080 <96sp080@***.EDU>

> > I think it must be a mage.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> ummm it can't be a mage considering that mages need line of sight to cast
> spells and if you can't see then you can't cast...

Even a blind mage is still able to see the astral, which is enough to cast
spells (that's why it's only a value of -2 for them)

so long,
RUE

The Dark Prophet
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Message no. 2
From: James Lindsay <jlindsay@******.CA>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:37:51 GMT
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:01:08 +0200, RUE wrote:

> From: 96sp080 <96sp080@***.EDU>
>
> > > I think it must be a mage.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> >
> > ummm it can't be a mage considering that mages need line of sight to cast
> > spells and if you can't see then you can't cast...
>
> Even a blind mage is still able to see the astral, which is enough to cast
> spells (that's why it's only a value of -2 for them)

Where is this rule from? For the longest time, our ref was giving mages -2
for targeting by tapping into the target's aura. This was, in effect, the
equivilent of "smarting" for mages. Then one day, someone asked about this
rule and our ref could not locate it anywhere. Is it left over from SR1?
Grimoire1? Did it even exist to begin with?



James W. Lindsay Vancouver, British Columbia
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Message no. 3
From: 96sp080 <96sp080@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:48:39 -0700
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, RUE wrote:
> > > I think it must be a mage.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> >
> > ummm it can't be a mage considering that mages need line of sight to cast
> > spells and if you can't see then you can't cast...
>
> Even a blind mage is still able to see the astral, which is enough to cast
> spells (that's why it's only a value of -2 for them)
>

er... <flip flip flip> you are right however I don't think that you can
do anything in the real world <can't affect the non-astral with spells...
or can you...>


hmmm... would manipulation spells be able to cross over? <you know like
levitate or or... one of those other manipulation spells> hmmm... that
might fix alot of things...

maybe I should read these books again...

Mike

96sp080
Message no. 4
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:21:42 +0100
James Lindsay said on 2:37/ 1 Oct 97...

> > Even a blind mage is still able to see the astral, which is enough to cast
> > spells (that's why it's only a value of -2 for them)
>
> Where is this rule from? For the longest time, our ref was giving mages -2
> for targeting by tapping into the target's aura. This was, in effect, the
> equivilent of "smarting" for mages. Then one day, someone asked about this
> rule and our ref could not locate it anywhere. Is it left over from SR1?
> Grimoire1? Did it even exist to begin with?

The only modifier I know of that comes close to this is the +2 an astrally
perceiving magician gets for performing a task that's solely in the
physical plane (SRII page 145).

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Message no. 5
From: "Wendy Wanders, Subject 117" <KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:42:12 -0500
You wrote:
> er... <flip flip flip> you are right however I don't think that you can
> do anything in the real world <can't affect the non-astral with spells...
> or can you...>
While assensing you can see and affect targets in either plane, though in the
physical non-magical actions suffer a +2 Target Number.

losthalo
Message no. 6
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:23:09 -0500
At 12:21 PM 10/1/97 +0100, Gurth wrote:
# James Lindsay said on 2:37/ 1 Oct 97...
#
# > > Even a blind mage is still able to see the astral, which is enough to
cast
# > > spells (that's why it's only a value of -2 for them)
# >
# > Where is this rule from? For the longest time, our ref was giving
mages -2
# > for targeting by tapping into the target's aura. This was, in effect, the
# > equivilent of "smarting" for mages. Then one day, someone asked about
this
# > rule and our ref could not locate it anywhere. Is it left over from SR1?
# > Grimoire1? Did it even exist to begin with?
#
# The only modifier I know of that comes close to this is the +2 an astrally
# perceiving magician gets for performing a task that's solely in the
# physical plane (SRII page 145).

I think the original poster meant -2 flaw for mages, and for mundanes it
was -4
The Blindness flaw that is
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Message no. 7
From: RUE <rue@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:40:11 +0200
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>

> # The only modifier I know of that comes close to this is the +2 an
astrally
> # perceiving magician gets for performing a task that's solely in the
> # physical plane (SRII page 145).
>
> I think the original poster meant -2 flaw for mages, and for mundanes it
> was -4
> The Blindness flaw that is

Yeah, That's exactly what I meant. Sorry if it was not clear enough.
Oh, BTW, Blind is a -6 flaw for mundanes ;)

so long,
RUE

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Message no. 8
From: 96sp080 <96sp080@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:51:42 -0700
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Wendy Wanders, Subject 117 wrote:

> You wrote:
> > er... <flip flip flip> you are right however I don't think that you can
> > do anything in the real world <can't affect the non-astral with spells...
> > or can you...>
> While assensing you can see and affect targets in either plane, though in the
> physical non-magical actions suffer a +2 Target Number.
>

then what is the big deal about being able to ground spells through foci?
I thought that was one of the BIG disadvangates<urg that is spelled
wrong> of have active foci all teh time.

or am I just missing something here....

<sigh>

Mike

96sp080
Message no. 9
From: "Wendy Wanders, Subject 117" <KGGEWEHR@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:32:01 -0500
You wrote:
> then what is the big deal about being able to ground spells through foci?
> I thought that was one of the BIG disadvangates<urg that is spelled
> wrong> of have active foci all teh time.

> or am I just missing something here....

It *is* one of the big disadvantages, an active focus serves as an astral
'bridge', allowing you to break the rules and cast from the astral to the
physical (while projecting, that is, when you normally cannot cast to the
physical). Grounding through the focus not only destroys the mage's link (paid
for with karma) to the focus, but allows a physical spell to ground out through
the focus and affect the magician and surrounding area as a bit of a sneak
attack.

losthalo
Message no. 10
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:52:32 -0500
At 06:40 PM 10/1/97 +0200, RUE wrote:
# From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
#
# > # The only modifier I know of that comes close to this is the +2 an
# astrally
# > # perceiving magician gets for performing a task that's solely in the
# > # physical plane (SRII page 145).
# >
# > I think the original poster meant -2 flaw for mages, and for mundanes it
# > was -4
# > The Blindness flaw that is
#
# Yeah, That's exactly what I meant. Sorry if it was not clear enough.
# Oh, BTW, Blind is a -6 flaw for mundanes ;)

yeah yeah,
not everyone carries their books with them to work

;)

Thanks.

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Blind mages (was: Quadraplejic and Blind.)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:25:49 +0100
96sp080 said on 10:51/ 1 Oct 97...

> > While assensing you can see and affect targets in either plane, though in the
> > physical non-magical actions suffer a +2 Target Number.
> >
>
> then what is the big deal about being able to ground spells through foci?
> I thought that was one of the BIG disadvangates<urg that is spelled
> wrong> of have active foci all teh time.
>
> or am I just missing something here....

Probably... An active focus is present on the astral plane, as a rsult it
can be targeted by a spell cast by an astral magician. This is not
subject to the +2 TN because the focus is on the astral plane; only
fully-physical actions like shooting a gun suffer from this modifier.
Anyway, the spell will attack the focus, and if the spell wins, it will
then affect anyone or anything the focus is attached to.

That'll allow you to do two things at once: kill the focus and hurt the
wearer. Although if you only want to do the former, you could just give
the wearer a haircut or something...

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