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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:58:21 -0600
I just got an adventure idea.

A person (rich exec, movie star, whatever) has an incurable disease. The
only treatment is to have the affected organ(s) replaced every year.

The person has a Platinum Doc Wagon contract. Doc Wagon maintains a clone
for the person at their central holding facility.

Someone hires the runner to snatch the clone from Doc Wagon a week before
the person's surgery is due. The runner may or may not know why they are
doing this. The runners have to keep the clone alive.

Maybe the clone is being used as a bargaining chip. The person will
need surgery within a couple of months or they will die. It will take
three months to replace the clone (per SR3).

Maybe the clone is to be used for an odd purpose. The ex-husband of
the movie star (he was kicked out) wants a child by his ex-wife. The
clone is the next best thing.

Maybe Mr. Johnson needs it for a spell.

There are many ways you can go with this adventure.

The characters will probably have to fend off attempts to get the clone
back. They'll have to deal with keeping the clone alive. They'll probably
wonder what the heck is going on, giving them a mystery to solve.

Also, someone else could go after the clone too, possibly to use it for
their own dealings with the owner, as ransom, or they may want to destroy
it.

Have fun :)

-David
--
"Earn what you have been given."
--
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Message no. 2
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:52:59 -0400
David Buehrer wrote:
>
> I just got an adventure idea.
>
> A person (rich exec, movie star, whatever) has an incurable disease. The
> only treatment is to have the affected organ(s) replaced every year.
>

This is a bit like the rich guy in the first part of the Dragonheart
trilogy, actually. Stranger Souls, I believe the book is. :) But I think
it would actually be a cool run. Especially if maybe the runners started
to get to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined
for...


--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

http://www.scifi-fantasy.com/~zmjett/shadow.htm
Message no. 3
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:22:31 -0600
Jett wrote:
/
/ David Buehrer wrote:
/ >
/ > I just got an adventure idea.
/ >
/ > A person (rich exec, movie star, whatever) has an incurable disease. The
/ > only treatment is to have the affected organ(s) replaced every year.
/
/ This is a bit like the rich guy in the first part of the Dragonheart
/ trilogy, actually. Stranger Souls, I believe the book is. :) But I think
/ it would actually be a cool run. Especially if maybe the runners started
/ to get to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined
/ for...

ooooooo.. Per SR clones are supposed to be non-viable (non-sentient).
But what if that's just PR? What if, if you let one wake up, they
actually are sentient?

That would be a perfectly evil wrench to throw into the works. And
then how would the PCs with platinum Doc Wagon contracts feels about
their own clone?

Jett, that is a wonderful idea :)

-David
--
"Earn what you have been given."
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Message no. 4
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:37:05 -0400
David Buehrer wrote:
>
> ooooooo.. Per SR clones are supposed to be non-viable (non-sentient).
> But what if that's just PR? What if, if you let one wake up, they
> actually are sentient?

A conscious, fully grown, (relatively) cheap human in just three months?
The corps would be all over it! Every blue-collar, military, and security
job in the world would quickly be filled by conditioned clones.

Since they aren't, we can only assume the capability does not exist in
Shadowrun. That's before we go into biological and psychological
impossibilities.


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley (Who *does* like the idea in Star Wars.)
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 5
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:37:31 -0600
Steve Eley wrote:
/
/ David Buehrer wrote:
/ >
/ > ooooooo.. Per SR clones are supposed to be non-viable (non-sentient).
/ > But what if that's just PR? What if, if you let one wake up, they
/ > actually are sentient?
/
/ A conscious, fully grown, (relatively) cheap human in just three months?
/ The corps would be all over it! Every blue-collar, military, and security
/ job in the world would quickly be filled by conditioned clones.
/
/ Since they aren't, we can only assume the capability does not exist in
/ Shadowrun. That's before we go into biological and psychological
/ impossibilities.

Oops. I didn't think that through. But it's giving me even more
twisted ideas.

-David
--
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Message no. 6
From: 00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:46:23 -0400
>it would actually be a cool run. Especially if maybe the runners started
>to get to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined
>for...


GROSS...I kind of assumed he ment a cloned organ...
The organs needed to be replaced...so Doc Wagon had the clone on standby...
Maybe I'm wrong, but I didn't think we were talking about a living person...
I definately don't want to be hanging around your runners when they start
dragging around a human liver!!!
*Yuck!*

hahaha
--00DNA
"The Matrix patterns itself on Nature" <<Replication Terminated>>
Message no. 7
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:53:31 -0400
At 04:37 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:
>David Buehrer wrote:
>>
>> ooooooo.. Per SR clones are supposed to be non-viable (non-sentient).
>> But what if that's just PR? What if, if you let one wake up, they
>> actually are sentient?
>
>A conscious, fully grown, (relatively) cheap human in just three months?
>The corps would be all over it! Every blue-collar, military, and security
>job in the world would quickly be filled by conditioned clones.
>
>Since they aren't, we can only assume the capability does not exist in
>Shadowrun. That's before we go into biological and psychological
>impossibilities.
>

<vast understatement in an attempt to be debonair>
I believe I saw a movie about that once...
I think it was called 'BladeRunner'
</vast understatement in an attempt to be debonair>

>Have Fun,
> - Steve Eley (Who *does* like the idea in Star Wars.)
> sfeley@***.net
>
>
noysh the spoonë bard [BABY 909]
shaung@**********.net
>jack of all trades, master of none.
Message no. 8
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:59:59 -0400
00DNA wrote:
>
> >it would actually be a cool run. Especially if maybe the runners started
> >to get to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined
> >for...
>
> GROSS...I kind of assumed he ment a cloned organ...

You never know... There are certainly runners out there who would lose an
Opposed Charisma Test to a cloned liver. >8->


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 9
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:06:50 -0400
Shaun Gilroy wrote:
>
> <vast understatement in an attempt to be debonair>
> I believe I saw a movie about that once...
> I think it was called 'BladeRunner'
> </vast understatement in an attempt to be debonair>

Which would *also* be a very cool setting to conduct a role-playing game
in. An almost totally different one from Shadowrun, but very cool.


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 10
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:30:57 -0400
At 12:58 PM 8/31/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I just got an adventure idea.

Sounds like someone's been watching some movies recently; parts of this
sound like they were inspired by that movie with Michael Keaton as the
deathrow psycho that's the organ match for the cop's dying son...Desperate
Measures I think was the name.

>Someone hires the runner to snatch the clone from Doc Wagon a week before
>the person's surgery is due. The runner may or may not know why they are
>doing this. The runners have to keep the clone alive.

We are talking non-viable clone, right? As in a body bank type clone, not
a fully alive and sentient clone? Makes a huge difference across the board
I'd think.

>The characters will probably have to fend off attempts to get the clone
>back. They'll have to deal with keeping the clone alive. They'll probably
>wonder what the heck is going on, giving them a mystery to solve.

Yup.

I'm running right now, just because it's too damn cool, Harlequinn's Back
for my current crew. Everyone is enjoying it (the Weird West bit even got
people, especially me, talking with a bad cowboy accent!) and it's so
different from anything they've ever experienced. But they are also trying
to figure out what the hell is going on.

So not only are they trying to accomplish their mission(s), they are trying
to figure out who the powers that be are and what they really want.

Of course, once HB is over, I bring in Millenium stuff...so the weirdness
never really stops...

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World
Message no. 11
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:02:00 -0300
David Buehrer wrote:
>
> ooooooo.. Per SR clones are supposed to be non-viable (non-sentient).
> But what if that's just PR? What if, if you let one wake up, they
> actually are sentient?
>
> That would be a perfectly evil wrench to throw into the works. And
> then how would the PCs with platinum Doc Wagon contracts feels about
> their own clone?

Well standard clones could be non-sentient, but there might be
"brain programming" procedures that give it sentience, with the same
personality as the original or a slightly different one.

What if the people hiring the runners want to program the clone to
replace the original and do something for them?

And how much memory would a brain copy take? ( Sum of Original's
Mental Attributes) x 20mp? That sounds reasonable, if the copy can't
be used for anything else but transfer to a clone.

Bira
Message no. 12
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:57:39 -0400
On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, David Buehrer wrote:

->Jett wrote:
->/
->/ David Buehrer wrote:
->/ >
->/ > I just got an adventure idea.
<SNIP ADVENTURE IDEA>
->ooooooo.. Per SR clones are supposed to be non-viable (non-sentient).
->But what if that's just PR? What if, if you let one wake up, they
->actually are sentient?

Depending on how you feel about genetic memory, it could be a
duplicate of the individual or the equivalent of a newborn in a
man/woman's body. Imagine how the poor clone would feel like.
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! I WANT MY BOTTLE!!!!!!!!"
"Gee... he seemed nice and likable a second ago, I say we let his
get chopped."

->That would be a perfectly evil wrench to throw into the works. And
->then how would the PCs with platinum Doc Wagon contracts feels about
->their own clone?

Wait, you guys get Doc Wagon? Hmmmm.... hope your opposition
doesn't find out. A clone would be a GREAT ritual link....
Happy nightmares.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:03:44 +0100
And verily, did Steve Eley hastily scribble thusly...
|
|00DNA wrote:
|>
|> >it would actually be a cool run. Especially if maybe the runners started
|> >to get to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined
|> >for...
|>
|> GROSS...I kind of assumed he ment a cloned organ...

Ahhhh....
GROSS... Get Rid Of Stupid girlS...
*sigh*
I miss Calvin and Hobbes....


:)
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Message no. 14
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:38:04 -0400
On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, David Buehrer wrote:

->Steve Eley wrote:
->/
->/ David Buehrer wrote:
<snip 3-month clones w/ lack of brainpower>
->Oops. I didn't think that through. But it's giving me even more
->twisted ideas.

Probably similar to mine, let's share:
Softlink4 + Skillwires 6 + new piece of cyber that allows for
control = Instant beefed-up cybergoon. If the goon gets killed, do the
natural thing and recycle! Grow new clone, transfer cyberwear, new
insta-goon.
Skill Hardwire system can be substituted for Softlink4 &
Skillwires and would leave some room for other interesting toys. Not to
mention, would such creatures mind having negative essence? Probably not,
they have no mind! Cyberzombies of this nature, though, would be easier
to get 'locked' on something, given they have few memories to fall back
on.
On a non-cyberzombie/cybergoon note... can we say "Bio-assisted
Feedback"? Create a clone of someone, do (as it says in Shadowtech) a
complete history of the individual into the clone and you have (surprise!)
a simulacrum of the individual, complete with adjustable personality!
Didn't like the way kids treated you when you were young? Adjust your
simulacrum's memory to remember that you beat the tar out of those bullies
and enjoyed the smell of their entrails on the ground.
I'd better stop now. Pleasant nightmares.
<Hmmm... wonder if I should apply for EvilGM status....>
]:-)

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 15
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:00:44 -0400
At 05:06 PM 8/31/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Shaun Gilroy wrote:
>>
>> <vast understatement in an attempt to be debonair>
>> I believe I saw a movie about that once...
>> I think it was called 'BladeRunner'
>> </vast understatement in an attempt to be debonair>
>
>Which would *also* be a very cool setting to conduct a role-playing game
>in. An almost totally different one from Shadowrun, but very cool.

Actually, I was referring not to the milleu, but to the situation being
discussed-- mass production of sentient clones for possible
government/millitary/corp use. The concept of replicants rang true to that
particular train of thought.

As there was another thread up relating TV to Shadowrun, I thought a
comment such as this might add a little fuel to the fire, as it were.

>Have Fun,
> - Steve Eley
> sfeley@***.net
>
>
noysh the spoonë bard [BABY 909]
shaung@**********.net
>jack of all trades, master of none.
Message no. 16
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:46:49 -0600
Ubiratan P. Alberton wrote:
/
/ David Buehrer wrote:
/ >
/ > ooooooo.. Per SR clones are supposed to be non-viable (non-sentient).
/ > But what if that's just PR? What if, if you let one wake up, they
/ > actually are sentient?
/ >
/ > That would be a perfectly evil wrench to throw into the works. And
/ > then how would the PCs with platinum Doc Wagon contracts feels about
/ > their own clone?
/
/ Well standard clones could be non-sentient, but there might be
/ "brain programming" procedures that give it sentience, with the same
/ personality as the original or a slightly different one.
/
/ What if the people hiring the runners want to program the clone to
/ replace the original and do something for them?

Or, what if Doc Wagon has been experimenting on their cache of clones and
the one the PCs snag is sentient (but of limited intelligence, like a
person with Down's Syndrome).

Now the PCs have a moral dilemma (take the money, or free the clone),
and are being hunted by the owner of the clone and Doc Wagon.

<EGMG>

I'll have to write this one up and put it on my web page.

-David
--
"Earn what you have been given."
--
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Message no. 17
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:37:46 -0500
----------
> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
> |> GROSS...I kind of assumed he ment a cloned organ...
>
> Ahhhh....
> GROSS... Get Rid Of Stupid girlS...
> *sigh*
> I miss Calvin and Hobbes....

Its Get Rid Of Slimy girlS, Spike.
Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:48:20 +0100
And verily, did Nexx hastily scribble thusly...
|
|----------
|> From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
|> |> GROSS...I kind of assumed he ment a cloned organ...
|>
|> Ahhhh....
|> GROSS... Get Rid Of Stupid girlS...
|> *sigh*
|> I miss Calvin and Hobbes....
|
|Its Get Rid Of Slimy girlS, Spike.
|

Just goes to show how long ago it is since I saw it...
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Message no. 19
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:58:22 -0500
>> |> GROSS...I kind of assumed he ment a cloned organ...
>>
>> Ahhhh....
>> GROSS... Get Rid Of Stupid girlS...
>> *sigh*
>> I miss Calvin and Hobbes....
>
>Its Get Rid Of Slimy girlS, Spike.

Actually, at different times it's been both, Nexx, so you both get to be
right today. <g>

---
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 20
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:12:12 -0500
----------
> From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
> >> Ahhhh....
> >> GROSS... Get Rid Of Stupid girlS...
> >> *sigh*
> >> I miss Calvin and Hobbes....
> >
> >Its Get Rid Of Slimy girlS, Spike.
>
> Actually, at different times it's been both, Nexx, so you both get to be
> right today. <g>

Of course. Its a well known fact that I am never wrong.

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
*
If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumbered here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yeilding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend.
If you pardon, we will mend.
-
So good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.
-Puck "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
Message no. 21
From: Tomus Cone <brother_1@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:52:12 PDT
>The runners have to keep the clone alive.

What are the clone's reactions to this situation.

>Maybe the clone is to be used for an odd purpose. The ex-husband of
>the movie star (he was kicked out) wants a child by his ex-wife. The
>clone is the next best thing.

If the clone is made specifically for an organ, odds are that particular
organ has been grown to about full maturity while the rest of the clone
is not of consideration. It would probably make a funny lookin' kid.



Vote Tom Cone for President in 2012.


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Message no. 22
From: Thomas Charron <thomascharron@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:06:29 PDT
>From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
>Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
>A conscious, fully grown, (relatively) cheap human in just three
months?
>The corps would be all over it! Every blue-collar, military, and
security
>job in the world would quickly be filled by conditioned clones.
>
>Since they aren't, we can only assume the capability does not exist in
>Shadowrun. That's before we go into biological and psychological
>impossibilities.

On the other hand, perhaps it just wouldn't have any identity in and
of itself.. Like a child from the womb, just starts
WWWAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! and flailing on the floor.. Make for a damned
good get away scene.. ;-P


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tcharron@*******.ups.com - Other stuff..

"Lemme get this strait, your married with
2 kids, and you take time every onceand a while
to sit around with a bunch of other guys and make
believe??"

- Buddy at work..


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Message no. 23
From: Bai Shen <baishen@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:25:18 -0400
> > I just got an adventure idea.
> > A person (rich exec, movie star, whatever) has an incurable disease. The
> > only treatment is to have the affected organ(s) replaced every year.
> This is a bit like the rich guy in the first part of the Dragonheart
> trilogy, actually. Stranger Souls, I believe the book is. :) But I think
> it would actually be a cool run. Especially if maybe the runners started
> to get to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined for...

Like the clone?? How do you figure that??
--
Bai Shen
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
http://www.series2000.com/users/baishen
UIN 3543257 (Don't ask to join if you aren't going to send me anything.)
Message no. 24
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:33:09 +1000
> > > I just got an adventure idea.
> > > A person (rich exec, movie star, whatever) has an incurable
> disease. The
> > > only treatment is to have the affected organ(s) replaced every
> year.
> > This is a bit like the rich guy in the first part of the Dragonheart
> > trilogy, actually. Stranger Souls, I believe the book is. :) But I
> think
> > it would actually be a cool run. Especially if maybe the runners
> started
> > to get to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined
> for...
>
Two problems.

Firstly, in Stranger Souls, Thomas Roxborough is after a living,
breathing human being, not a clone. Remember, he wants to steal Ryan
Mercury's body, not clone him.

Now, if a guy who owns a big chunk of Aztechnology and has all the
resources of Universal Omnitech dedicated to helping him out here can't
just fix it with a clone, then I don't think anyone else would be able
to make a functional clone at that point in time.

Also, in Shadowtech it's stated that they can't yet make clones.
Admittedly, that's nearly 10 years out of date, but the Dragon Heart
Trilogy isn't.

Now if, on the other hand, it wasn't a clone, but a real live person
who's been more or less turned into an organ farm due to the fact that
they're totally compatible with this rich person - that might work.

Doc'
Message no. 25
From: Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:04:06 -0400
Ratinac, Rand (NSW) wrote:

> Firstly, in Stranger Souls, Thomas Roxborough is after a living,
> breathing human being, not a clone. Remember, he wants to steal Ryan
> Mercury's body, not clone him.

Yeah, but he still needed a body to replace his own failing organs,
right? That's what I was thinking of.

> Now if, on the other hand, it wasn't a clone, but a real live person
> who's been more or less turned into an organ farm due to the fact that
> they're totally compatible with this rich person - that might work.
>


Yeah, that's sorta what I meant. Assuming that the clone is sentient and
viable. Or even just dumb like a dogbrain, but still active.


--Jett

<*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


"I'll make this clear, that I'm just here for backup. And to offer the
occasional advice or insult."
--Jett, on being an NPC

Behold the mighty sonic scream of the Jett!

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Message no. 26
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:42:36 -0500
>> Especially if maybe the runners started to get
>> to LIKE the clone, then find out what the clone was destined for...
>
>Like the clone?? How do you figure that??

He might be a better conversationalist than the rigger....

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Message no. 27
From: "Ratinac, Rand (NSW)" <RRatinac@*****.REDCROSS.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Body Snatchers
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:18:44 +1000
> > Firstly, in Stranger Souls, Thomas Roxborough is after a living,
> > breathing human being, not a clone. Remember, he wants to steal Ryan
> > Mercury's body, not clone him.
>
> Yeah, but he still needed a body to replace his own failing organs,
> right? That's what I was thinking of.
>
Yup - but see below.

> > Now if, on the other hand, it wasn't a clone, but a real live person
> > who's been more or less turned into an organ farm due to the fact
> that
> > they're totally compatible with this rich person - that might work.
>
> Yeah, that's sorta what I meant. Assuming that the clone is sentient
> and
> viable. Or even just dumb like a dogbrain, but still active.
>
> --Jett
>
Okay, what I'm saying is that, sure, this is a good plot - quite a
thinker - but with current (or at least Shadowtech-dated) technology, a
viable, sentient or even dumb as a dogbrain, yet active clone is not
possible. If you really have to have it done as a clone, you're getting
into the blackest of the black of corp research. If you like your
runners playing around there, then go for it.

Doc'

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