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Message no. 1
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Body weight
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 10:07:30 +0100
Hello,

reading the question about jumping and distance another question
pops up in my mind:

In the description of the levitate person spell is stated, that the
weight of a person is his/her body * 50 kilo.

Isn't that a bit too much. The normal person with body 3 will have
a weight of 150 kilo. IMO equipment can't be the excuse for so much
weight.

Any comments?
bye,
Stefan
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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:25:10 +0100
>In the description of the levitate person spell is stated, that the
>weight of a person is his/her body * 50 kilo.
>
>Isn't that a bit too much. The normal person with body 3 will have
>a weight of 150 kilo. IMO equipment can't be the excuse for so much
>weight.

I'd say just use common sense. Take the average weight of each race as they
give it in the SRII rulebook, and adjust it if necessary. The same goes for
cars (cars are what, 1000kg per point of Body or something? according to
FASA, at least) That'd mean the Jackrabbit weighs about 1000kg, for a small
two-seat car!


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Message no. 3
From: Chad Hanley <HANLEYC@*****.INDSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 11:06:45 GMT-5
50 kilos * Body is way too much for the average person. What I use
is half that (25 kilos * Body) which gives a much closer
approximation to a persons weight. It's still not perfect though and
it really should be left up to the player to decide how much they
want their character to weigh.

Chad Hanley
hanleyc@*****.indstate.edu
Message no. 4
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 12:55:24 +0100
Chad wrote:
>
> 50 kilos * Body is way too much for the average person. What I use
> is half that (25 kilos * Body) which gives a much closer
> approximation to a persons weight. It's still not perfect though and
> it really should be left up to the player to decide how much they
> want their character to weigh.
>
Yes, excactly my thoughts. I tried the 25 kilo * Body just to determine
the target number of the levitated person spell (I hate that flying
around, especially above my nice security walls and shacks, sniff). It
just was too easy.
bye,
Stefan
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Message no. 5
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 12:28:37 +0100
>Yes, excactly my thoughts. I tried the 25 kilo * Body just to determine
>the target number of the levitated person spell (I hate that flying
>around, especially above my nice security walls and shacks, sniff). It
>just was too easy.

A one-shot solution is to string monowire above your security fence. If the
magician wants to levitate over it, roll a perception test for him (don't
tell anything if he fails), and ask him by how far he wants to fly over it
(don't ask it too obviously). If he says something like "just with my feet
over the top of the fence" subject him to a 10S attack by monowire and
inform him his lower legs are gone.
Of course it won't work if he says "I go up to about a hundred meters, to
the other side of the fence, and down to the ground."


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Message no. 6
From: Stefan Struck <struck@******.INFORMATIK.UNI-BONN.DE>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:27:02 +0100
Gurth wrote:
> A one-shot solution is to string monowire above your security fence. If the
> magician wants to levitate over it, roll a perception test for him (don't
> tell anything if he fails), and ask him by how far he wants to fly over it
> (don't ask it too obviously). If he says something like "just with my feet
> over the top of the fence" subject him to a 10S attack by monowire and
> inform him his lower legs are gone.
That will work only once. The mage has a magic rating of 8, so she fly
nearly 40 meters on a good day. I don't think she'll just "jump" over the
fence but fly (she likes the feeling, too)
bye,
Stefan
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Message no. 7
From: Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:55:27 +0100
Stefan wrote:

> Gurth wrote:
[stuff about stringing monowire to a fence]
> That will work only once. The mage has a magic rating of 8, so she fly
> nearly 40 meters on a good day. I don't think she'll just "jump" over the
> fence but fly (she likes the feeling, too)

Try this: remember the old WW I and WW II trick with AA-balloons?
Modernize it by tying multiple strings of monowire to a stealth done
(condor) and let these babies fly over your corp facility.

Greetings,

Martin
"An evil mind is a joy forever"
Message no. 8
From: Inquisitor <ESPD92MS@****.ANGLIA-POLYTECHNIC.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:48:00 GMT
an inhabited area?Even were you to have them fly around the perimeter then a
determined specops team could easily suss them out and bust in.
Message no. 9
From: Inquisitor <ESPD92MS@****.ANGLIA-POLYTECHNIC.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 16:08:00 GMT
Sorry about my last message, for some reason it had the top part chopped off.The
top of the message should read; do you really think that it is a good idea to
have drones trailing monowires around..... Apologies again.
Message no. 10
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:14:59 +0100
>Gurth wrote:
>> A one-shot solution is to string monowire above your security fence. If the
>That will work only once. The mage has a magic rating of 8, so she fly
>nearly 40 meters on a good day. I don't think she'll just "jump" over the
>fence but fly (she likes the feeling, too)

I said it was a one-shot solution... I pulled it on our shaman once and now
she's real careful about flying over fences. But it did give the player a
warning, so now he usually goes "time to tease the GM again" when the shaman
starts casting Levitate or Mob Mind...


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Message no. 11
From: Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:41:14 +0100
> Datum verzending: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 16:08:00 GMT
> Stuur antw. aan: Discussion of the Fantasy game ShadowRun
<SHADOWRN@***.SURFnet.nl>
> Van: Inquisitor <ESPD92MS@****.ANGLIA-POLYTECHNIC.AC.UK>
> Onderwerp: Re: Body weight
> Aan: Multiple recipients of list SHADOWRN
<SHADOWRN@***.SURFnet.nl>
On Mon, 16 Jan, The (Spanish?) Inquisitor wrote:

> Sorry about my last message, for some reason it had the top part chopped off.The
> top of the message should read; do you really think that it is a good idea to
> have drones trailing monowires around..... Apologies again.

They are not supposed to trail around. They're supposed to hover
above the facility with monowires tied to them and to the fence,
making a sort of invisible tent-shaped net.

Greetings,

Martin


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Message no. 12
From: Inquisitor <ESPD92MS@****.ANGLIA-POLYTECHNIC.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:17:00 GMT
Hoi Martin, nee ik ben nich Spanish. Ik com uit Cambridge. They would still be
seen by a team who waited long enough, and where would they go during the day?
Message no. 13
From: Martin Steffens <BDI05626@***.RHIJ.NL>
Subject: Re: Body weight
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 16:21:21 +0100
The Inquistitor wrote:

> Hoi Martin, nee ik ben nich Spanish. Ik com uit Cambridge.

Woah, impressive, I didn't know someone, apart from the Dutch, could
speak our language. To be accurate (and a bit annoying :-) the above
should be:
Hoi Martin, nee ik ben niet Spaans. Ik kom uit Cambridge.

> They would still be seen by a team who waited long enough, and
> where would they go during the day?

Ok, you got me. The drones could hover all day above the facility,
but then they would be visible. You could create automatic reels in
the drones, and combined with auto-release switches on the gate, you
could fly them in every morning. But then it would be obvious when
the runners see the guards attach the strands to the gate.
Then again carefull shadowrunners can avoid everything. This idea was
ment to be used on careless teams, which attack without a good plan.

Greetings,

Martin
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